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The Warrior Ethos, Politics, and Bowe Bergdahl

Submitted by Flack at 2014-06-11 14:25:28 EDT
Rating: 1.69 on 13 ratings (22 reviews) (Review this item) (V)

I was in Afghanistan in 2009 when Bowe Bergdahl went missing. At the time, most of the guys I talked to about it had pretty much the same view of the situation: The guy got fed up with the Army, noped the fuck out and now was chilling with the Taliban. I have to admit, I thought very little about the entire situation over the next 5 years.

When I heard that Bowe Bergdahl was returned to the United States, I admit I smiled. I couldn't imagine having to deal with 5 years of living in Pakistan, let alone being babysat by the Haqqani Network and the Taliban the entire time. I thought about how nice it was that he was coming home for about 5 minutes and then realized that a massive political shitstorm was going to brew within the next 5 minutes.

I was wrong. It only took 3 minutes.

First, the GOP started getting all butthurt that Congress wasn't notified, then they started getting all butthurt about how 5 members of the Taliban were traded for the guy. Then the bullshit about how he deserted and shouldn't be returned anyways.

And then soldiers...SOLDIERS.... started saying he should have been left there to rot and/or die. And I shook my head in shame.

When I was in the Army, I had to be able to recite the Soldier's Creed on command, from memory. Part of that Creed has 4 lines in it known as "The Warrior Ethos."

I will always place the mission first.

I will never accept defeat.

I will never quit.

I will never leave a fallen comrade.


That last part was always the most important part to me. I certainly never wanted to be left behind, and I couldn't begin to imagine how I would feel if I left any of my buddies behind. I was taught that this Ethos is the embodiment of what it means to be a soldier. If that's the case, soldiers can;t be selective about it.

I get why people are mad. The guy, most likely, deserted. While reports have been conflicted, the general consensus is that one night he stacked his gear into a neat little pile, left a farewell note, and fucked right off into the mountains. Desertion? Yup. Grounds for Court Martial? Absolutely. Justification to leave an American behind? I say fuck no.

Despite the politics and the reasons why and the true story and what happened those 5 years ago, the one thing that can't be disputed is that an American was held captive. And we, as Americans, are supposed to pride ourselves on 2 things:

1. We don't leave soldiers behind
2. Everyone gets their day in court.

I'm not worried at all about the "Taliban Dream Team" as the chicken-hawk conservatards like to call them. They've been rotting away in Cuba for over a decade and I highly doubt they're suited to the task of going right back into the fight. I'm also not worried about a "Homeland"-style brainwashing where the kid becomes a war hero and it turns out he's a terrorist sleeper agent. The kid is going to be investigated and, most likely, court-martialed.

Will he go to prison? That's not really for me to decide. Does he deserve to go to prison after 5 years as a POW? Still not for me to decide.

But if it was up to me, I would gladly trade 5 Taliban faggots for one American any day. This shit used to happen all the time in WW1 and WW2. We called them "prisoner exchanges." But I guess when the people we exchange are brown and hairy, we get all bent outta shape about it.

I'd honestly like to know what you guys think about it. Or you could tell me I'm completely full of shit and I should just go fuck myself.

Thanks for reading.

-----Flack------



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Submitted by Flack at 2014-07-14 13:55:47 EDT (#)

Well I'm also not a lawyer either. Assuming that he did indeed desert, then yes, I think he will be charged under UCMJ.

But, as you pointed out, the military does fuck up quite often. I wouldn't be surprised if they just process him out with a general under honorable as well.

As much as I'd like to speculate, I would be doing a disservice to this discussion if I just assumed I understood the inner workings of the Judge Advocate General. Much as people are already doing a disservice to the discussion by pointing the finger before getting the facts.

(Edit: by "discussion," I mean the general discussion we as Americans are having, not just über site.)

Submitted by skrapmetal at 2014-07-14 13:16:02 EDT (#)

My concern is less (though remaining > 0)that he'll start shouting "Allahu Ackbar" and murdering people and more that he'll get into confrontations with non-understanding types and perhaps end up getting murdered himself. Ideally it'll end up that neither is the case. Still, I hope you're not relying too heavily on the performance record of military medical doctors. They have a generally dismal record of diagnosing and treating mental disorders in their patients. Not that I could do better, of course, but I don't claim to be able to do it at all.

Aside: do you think he'll face charges?

Submitted by Flack at 2014-07-14 12:14:56 EDT (#)

Submitted by skrapmetal at 2014-07-14 11:51:17 EDT (#)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/us/bergdahl-is-set-to-resume-life-on-active-duty.html

What, let me just ask you in all seriousness, could possibly go wrong with this plan?

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Well what are they supposed to do, keep him locked up in a hospital? Last I checked, Doctors tend to know a lot more about a person's health than say, those of us that are not doctors.

Submitted by skrapmetal at 2014-07-14 11:51:17 EDT (#)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/us/bergdahl-is-set-to-resume-life-on-active-duty.html

What, let me just ask you in all seriousness, could possibly go wrong with this plan?

Submitted by TigerLilly at 2014-06-25 00:02:49 EDT (#)

I think the media sucks. That's all.

Submitted by solace at 2014-06-13 23:29:56 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I've literally been reading this site since.... I think since I first got brought here on a link for the crazy mspaint craze started, long before the site got "updated" (read: broken) or Bart stopped updating B@W. I keep reading it all the time, whenever I'm bored. I laugh at Perk, sure that everyone's right that he's an altar. I read Tom's great stories. I know in my heart that Schlongy and Oathy really want to push each others' shit in. I've never registered because I never had anything to add. I'm a little creepy, I guess.

This is the first post that made me make an account.

I agree with you 100%. He's probably a wanker. He's probably going to go to jail and get a dishonorable discharge. He probably sympathized with the Taliban.

He's definitely innocent until proven guilty.

It's pretty hard to prove that while those asshole who behead motherfuckers because they think it gets their point across had him. Anything he said WHILE they had him was, in my eyes, just to keep food in his belly and his head on his shoulders.

I'm glad he's back and I'm glad they're going to try to straighten his mind out before they decide to figure out what he did or did not do.

I am an American Soldier. I am a warrior and a member of a team. I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values. I will always place the mission first. I will never accept defeat. I will never quit. I will never leave a fallen comrade. I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment, and myself. I an an expert and I am a professional. I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States in close combat. I am a guardian of freedom, and the American way of life.
I AM AN AMERICAN SOLDIER

SGT, US Army

Submitted by Flack at 2014-06-13 11:07:46 EDT (#)

Submitted by RoadSong at 2014-06-12 20:45:41 EDT (#)


"I get why people are mad. The guy, most likely, deserted. While reports have been conflicted, the general consensus is that one night he stacked his gear into a neat little pile, left a farewell note, and fucked right off into the mountains. Desertion? Yup. Grounds for Court Martial? Absolutely. Justification to leave an American behind? I say fuck no.'

Flack? He left a note? What did it say?
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I don't really know. I'm sure it was a bunch of drivel about how the war is bullshit and blah blah blah. I certainly don't think the kid is a hero or anything, just he should come home like all other POWs. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, y'know.


Submitted by FALLEN at 2014-06-12 08:55:51 EDT (#)
Rating: 2


first....FLACK! sup?
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Hard dicks and helicopters.


Submitted by Tyrone at 2014-06-12 11:22:40 EDT (#)
Rating: -2


My nigga Damone was in the army a cuple years ago an he said dat nigga be a pussy ass nigga. If I saw that bitch ass mahfucka I'd beat his cracks ass nahmean

You a bitch too, nigga
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CarolRichards was a better alter than you.

Submitted by Sacrilicious at 2014-06-12 23:22:27 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I did not expect to find such a rational essay about this issue on Uber.

Submitted by StuporDupor at 2014-06-12 21:15:36 EDT (#)

lol the morons of uber weigh in on the important issues of the day!

Submitted by RoadSong at 2014-06-12 20:45:41 EDT (#)

"I get why people are mad. The guy, most likely, deserted. While reports have been conflicted, the general consensus is that one night he stacked his gear into a neat little pile, left a farewell note, and fucked right off into the mountains. Desertion? Yup. Grounds for Court Martial? Absolutely. Justification to leave an American behind? I say fuck no.'

Flack? He left a note? What did it say?

Submitted by JonnyX at 2014-06-12 14:02:00 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

well, I certainly don't think its a fair trade to turn over one Eddie Slovik for 5 major Al-Queda guys.

Particularly in light on them just retaking most of Iraq...did you know those were all logistics guys?

Fundraising, training, etc? It's gonna be a good day for them!

(of course, the CIA better put a bullet in their head around 6 months from now or so, I'm hoping)

Submitted by Hadooken at 2014-06-12 12:19:11 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

THIS is far better than what passes for news coverage.

Submitted by Tyrone at 2014-06-12 11:22:40 EDT (#)
Rating: -2

My nigga Damone was in the army a cuple years ago an he said dat nigga be a pussy ass nigga. If I saw that bitch ass mahfucka I'd beat his cracks ass nahmean

You a bitch too, nigga

Submitted by FALLEN at 2014-06-12 08:55:51 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

first....FLACK! sup?

second, it's not really an American left behind. He (supposedly) bailed out and decided to stay instead of living the army life.

He got caught and became a POW, after the fact, which brings me to the next point.

Why the hell do you decide to run off in Af-fuckin-ganastan? He knew he was in hostile territory, right? What did he think would happen?

if deserting was his plan, wait till you were in Europe or Asia and bail out there. He must have had an opportunity or a leave or something that would put him in friendlier location.

Submitted by OathMeal at 2014-06-11 23:47:13 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

*Real* piece of shit, below.

Submitted by Shlongy at 2014-06-11 23:10:05 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I agree with you. And yet, I still think this guy is a piece of shit.

Submitted by ilikesteak at 2014-06-11 22:22:26 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Shhh. Stop being sensible.

Submitted by Fucking foul at 2014-06-11 21:18:19 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

FLACK! *air kisses*

Submitted by RoadSong at 2014-06-11 19:54:50 EDT (#)

' I'm also not worried about a "Homeland"-style brainwashing where the kid becomes a war hero and it turns out he's a terrorist sleeper agent.'



*blinks
I had not thought of that.
*sigh

Submitted by RoadSong at 2014-06-11 17:24:56 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

The warrior deserves his day in court. Deserter? PROVE it. More to the story? Always is.




-BRING HOME THE TROOPS-



Submitted by skrapmetal at 2014-06-11 15:23:26 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I don't think this was the same thing as a "prisoner exchange" like those that occurred in previous wars and 'police actions'. The reports are that the Taliban's initial request for Bergdahl's release was for cash. Money. It was negotiated away from that and towards the guys from Gitmo.

If I was the Taliban I'd (long term) rather have the guys than the cash, since at this point they can be of far greater service as propaganda than they ever could as strategists or trigger pullers. If I was Obama I'd rather give up the guys than the cash because a) it at least *looks like* a prisoner exchange, b) if it got out that I paid money to people who kill Americans for a living I should be impeached for Aiding the Enemy, and c) I promised to close Gitmo 6 years ago so if I empty the place now there's no reason to keep it open.

Congress is all foamy about this because they'd been asked about doing it a couple years ago and they responded with a "No". So O didn't ask again, he just did it. Forgiveness, permission.

As a former Serviceman, I agree with the No Servicepeople Left Behind ethic*. Being a traitor is not part of that equation. If he's guilty of abandoning his post or treason, he'll go to prison in the US, but that's a separate thing to be decided after he's on US Soil.



*NSLB saved me numerous times when I got blind stupid drunk in the Philippines. Thanks, shipmates, wherever you are these days.


Submitted by CaptainThorns at 2014-06-11 14:31:23 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

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