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Regarding Crazy Muslims and Their Crazy Protests

Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-20 23:56:27 EDT
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Because of my history of spending the majority of the past 10 years going to and from Muslim countries, I was asked earlier today how I feel about the recent protests in Sudan, Libya, Egypt, Pakistan, etc.

My answer caused a mind to be blown and a brick to be shat:

"Well, as much as I disagree with the idea of violent protest for something as inane as a shitty movie and silly cartoon, I can empathize."

Fair statement, right? I would think so. I mean, its not as if I don't have any semblance of what I'm saying due to my experiences as a young adult.

Fuck no!

Apparently, in this country, people tend to hear the word "empathy" and translate it as "sympathy."

At this point I was accused of being a Muslim apologist, an Obama supporter, and an all around bad American. I objected to his accusations, politely I may add, and attempted to alleviate his concerns by explaining my position in more detail:

Its important to note that because you empathize with someone, it does not necessarily mean you sympathize or agree with them for that matter. Empathy is trying to understand where someone is coming from, rather than supporting the actions they take to get their point across.

Let me make this point incredibly clear: I AM NOT A MUSLIM APOLOGIST! I abhor the religion of Islam much in the same way I abhor the religions of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and any other organization that uses fictional text and bullshit concepts like heaven and hell to scare people and control them. I think the Muslims that killed those diplomats, SEALs and Marines are evil, horrible people and I hope they die a slow and painful death if and when they are caught. Much in the same way I think that Christian Serbians who put a whole race of Muslims through a genocidal event in the Balkans just shy of 20 years ago deserve a rotten life in prison only to have their dicks cut off and shoved in their mouths before they're ultimately shot in the face.

Let me make another point clear: I AM NOT AN OBAMA SUPPORTER! I think he's a liar, a con-artist, an idiot and a horrible president. I feel the same way about his Mormon counterpart in the GOP. I, however, do not think he's an:
A. Muslim
B. Kenyan- born
C. Socialist
D. Nazi
E. The most liberal president in the country's history (I'd give that one to FDR)

And for my last point, and this may sound fairly proud and (unintentionally) conceited: I think I'm a great example of what an American should be. Hard-working, tax-paying, open-minded, and generally peaceful. I'm a good neighbor that mows my elderly neighbors' lawns for free. I donate to charity. I try to be informed and listen to all points of view, rather than just my own. I am a veteran, which is something I CANNOT say about most of the people in the personal circle with whom I associate with. I volunteer at the Veterans Treatment Court in my county mentoring veterans who have had to resort to shoplifting and burglary in order to eat because they cannot find work. I play bass in a Bluegrass band and my favorite sport is baseball. I may not wear an OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM hat wherever I go or fly a flag in my front yard but that's my business and in no way, shape, or form constitutes any type of measurement of my dedication or level of patriotism.

That being said, I have also been to the Middle East, MANY times. As a soldier, a private sector employee, and a government appointee. SO I think I have a little credence on where I stand on this issue.

The guy who made that video is, for the lack of a better word, an asshole. He made a crappy movie about a fictional prophet in order to incite a response. Unfortunately, that response included a few innocent fatalities and mass protest along the other side of the world. Still, he has the right to be an asshole. He shouldn't be killed or put in jail for it and we, as Americans, should just let the chips lie where they may in regards to the Coptic Christian asshole that made the dumb fucking movie with horrible cinematography and shitty acting.

You have to understand, these people in Libya, Egypt, etc. have been oppressed by horrible regimes for decades. Their leaders kept the people down and under a tight leash while they reaped all the money, resources, and benefits and left nothing for the citizens under their leadership. And the worst part of it is, the USA had a major hand in the propping of these regimes. SO even if we did take their side in the uprisings, it still doesn't negate the fact that we helped keep them down for a very long time.

So now we've had an Arab spring which is bringing democracy to a land that has never really experienced it. And most of these countries have decided, by will of the people (however naive and or wrong I think they may be) that a conservative Islamic republic is what they want. So is it of any wonder why they get so pissed off so easily? They already hate the US, and this gives them yet another excuse to reinforce their thinking. Most of these people are uneducated and have no real sense of what goes on in the world outside of their immediate surroundings (much like a few Americans I know).

Don't forget that Christianity has had its share of fucked up history: The Crusades, Salem witch hunts, all the way to the present issue of Catholic boys getting buttraped by a Priests and the church hiding it... the only difference is that we have had 200 years of constitutional protections to help us deal with these issues in civil ways. These democratic experiments in the middle east are still in their infancy and they just haven't figured that civility thing out yet.

Plus, the people of Salem and the Crusaders didn't have iPhones with cameras to capture everything on video for the rest of the world to see. It also doesn't help religion's case when Jews treat Palestinians as second-class citizens and then seem to be bewildered by the fact that they want to blow themselves up. And fuck Hare Krishna too.

So while I highly disagree, abhor, and denounce the actions of the violent assholes that have killed innocent people over something as inane as a stupid YouTube clip and a couple of retarded cartoons in a French shit-rag, I CAN tell you that I understand. I see where they are coming from. They're absolutely wrong and even downright evil, but its important that we try, hard as it may be, to put ourselves in their shoes so that we might have a better understanding of the world that we still share with these people.

And once we do that,maybe we can set a new example. Maybe we can finnaly say, "Hey, Bro. We get it. Just chill on the violence. It does nobody any good."

And if we can do that, we come that much closer to a new renaissance of the human spirit.........






...............Or maybe I'm just completely full of shit and I should just go fuck myself.


Thanks for reading,


----Flack-----





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Submitted by Digame at 2012-10-18 14:57:54 EDT (#)
Rating: -2

Pusi kurac

Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB at 2012-10-10 12:27:07 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Flack for president.

Submitted by AshK at 2012-10-09 21:28:51 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Submitted by jack11058 at 2012-10-05 15:34:14 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Submitted by redskieslookfake at 2012-09-29 11:20:46 EDT (#)

Your furious response is accepted Caul. I'm sorry for doubting you.

Tabernac etc etc

Submitted by Caulaincourt at 2012-09-29 08:53:43 EDT (#)

Flack - I didn't know you were drafted. I'm sorry to hear that you were forced into this. Also, what the fuck does you having been to QC has to do with anything? I've been to a bunch of US states and...what?

Redskies - nohasdis and I may think alike on some subjects but we re clearly not the same person, based on our levels of english alone. Only you and rob-boring are convinved of that...that should tell you something.

Submitted by redskieslookfake at 2012-09-29 08:28:58 EDT (#)

A picture from 8 years ago.

Ok, I'll cross 'detective' off potential jobs for you.
What are you like with animals?









Saying that I'll keep 'creepy stalker' on the list of possibles Whysie.

Submitted by grÜeMaster emeritus and uberlord supreme at 2012-09-28 03:32:57 EDT (#)


Submitted by redskieslookfake at 2012-09-28 02:13:59 EDT (#)

seriously now, does ANYONE believe that no1hasdis and Caul are two different people? Le sigh

Submitted by no1hasdis at 2012-09-27 16:36:27 EDT (#)
Rating: -2

Get your facts straight Caul.

He only went once as an active participant in an illegal, immoral war.

The other times he was an opportunistic war profiteer.

You better apologize.

Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-27 16:10:15 EDT (#)



You have described ONE of my trips. To be specific, the trip that I was FORCED to take which ultimately expanded my idea of the world and motivated me to take SEVERAL other trips, voluntarily, in order to gain better insight, explore other places, and see other countries in that area besides Iraq (i.e. Qatar, Saudi, Turkey, Jordan, UAE, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Egypt.)

I will, however, concede to the point that, yes, I was getting paid during these trips because I went for my job (btw, I'm not enlisted anymore and haven't been for several years and the first Iraq trip was the ONLY one I WAS ordered to). But I take a strong exception to your accusation that I didn't appreciate every cultural, political, and historic lesson I learned while over there. While I agree that a lot of Americans don't give a shit about that sort of thing, I am not all Americans.

I will also state that I have been to your home, Quebec. Lovely place. Tried my best to speak French but have no handle on the language as German and Arabic tend to be more of a focus do to my professional priorities. Other than the (kinda) language barrier, a higher sales tax and the metric system, I saw no real other significant difference between the people I interacted with in Montreal, Shawinigan and Trois-Rivieres and the people I interact with on a daily basis in Detroit. I've seen more diversity in Texas. So congratulations, Caul. You're mediocre!

In sum: Blow me.


Submitted by Caulaincourt at 2012-09-27 12:56:13 EDT (#)
Rating: -2

...............Or maybe I'm just completely full of shit and I should just go fuck myself. """"

I agree. You didn't exactly visit the Middle East to explore its history and culutre. You went to the Middle East in the military, part of an immoral war if I might add.

You probably thought about this while you were waiting in line at the Burger King or whatever on your base and you figured this would give you an opportunity to parade your service...because soldiers are all heroes... :°(

Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-27 00:19:39 EDT (#)

Submitted by Orgasmatron at 2012-09-26 23:28:00 EDT (#)
Rating: 2


Think of how totally fucked up Scientology will be in the year 3352.

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Oh by then, Xenu will have slaughtered us all and no amount of auditing can stop it. BTW, The Church Of Scientology has now filed a legal complaint on you for the above comment.

Submitted by Orgasmatron at 2012-09-26 23:28:00 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-21 13:04:58 EDT (#)

Submitted by JonnyX at 2012-09-21 12:17:40 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

The problem is, the Muslim tradition is still firmly rooted in the 13th Century - they need to have a Renaissance/Reformation to shake things up and modernize things.

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Its really funny you say that. Islam is 1400 years old. When Christianity was 1400 years old, it was just as, if not more, fucked up as present-day Islam. I'm not going to make an exhausting list of examples to prove my point, but I totally agree with your statement.

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Think of how totally fucked up Scientology will be in the year 3352.

Submitted by OathMeal at 2012-09-26 17:49:45 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Overall a meh post, IMO.

You could have encapsulated this entire post by saying, "I've been around the world and believe I'm educated enough to offer the following opinion: some people are assholes and we should all really just chill on the violence."

Submitted by monkeyswithguns at 2012-09-26 11:08:52 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Yup.

Submitted by FilthyMonkey at 2012-09-23 22:41:45 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Just when you think your addiction is waning, you come across some really high quality crack...

And...

WHOA.

You are back to square one.

I guess what I'm saying is; posts like this are the reason I keep coming back to this place.

Submitted by Quartermain at 2012-09-22 22:41:00 EDT (#)

Submitted by TheBrad at 2012-09-22 16:59:54 EDT: Well fucking said, sir. But I will be voting for obama this november... the guy was handed a shit salad but he manned up and ate that fucking salad. I can't speak for the whole country, but i'm working and absolutly better off than I was 4 years ago.

Also mitt is a pod-person.
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Joe Biden, is that you? I don't think random Internet posts are a efficient strategy, Joe.

Submitted by Fucking foul at 2012-09-22 21:14:05 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Submitted by HellRazer at 2012-09-22 16:41:56 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

This post gave me a raging boner. My USB drive will never be the same.

Submitted by TheBrad at 2012-09-22 16:59:54 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Well fucking said, sir.
But I will be voting for obama this november... the guy was handed a shit salad but he manned up and ate that fucking salad. I can't speak for the whole country, but i'm working and absolutly better off than I was 4 years ago.

Also mitt is a pod-person.

Submitted by HellRazer at 2012-09-22 16:41:56 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

This post gave me a raging boner. My USB drive will never be the same.

Submitted by Ducky at 2012-09-21 23:13:30 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

You're welcome.

Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-21 16:49:55 EDT (#)

I am not a Libra. Astrology would place me as a Gemini, but Astrology is, well, bullshit.

Submitted by Shlongy at 2012-09-21 15:49:18 EDT (#)

Exceptions COULD be made, if there's enough liqour involved.

Submitted by Sage at 2012-09-21 15:44:47 EDT (#)

I totally get where you're coming from, Shlongy ;)

Submitted by Shlongy at 2012-09-21 15:41:27 EDT (#)

Note to self: Stay the fuck away from Libras.

Submitted by Sage at 2012-09-21 15:39:38 EDT (#)

Or maybe not "too jaded"...whatever the reason, I get it. I don't mean to lump all people who don't have faith into the "jaded" category, but in my experience, that's the reason for a lot of 'em.

Submitted by FALLEN at 2012-09-21 15:39:36 EDT (#)

fair enough

Submitted by Sage at 2012-09-21 15:37:58 EDT (#)

See below, FALLEN.

Boom.

Submitted by Sage at 2012-09-21 15:37:43 EDT (#)

PS: I don't think others are assholes for not having faith, either. I guess I just feel bad in a way, like they're missing out. But on the other hand, I get being too jaded to have faith.

I'm a Libra, and that's why I get both sides. That's why I was wondering if you were, too.

Submitted by FALLEN at 2012-09-21 15:37:25 EDT (#)

"what's your sign, Flack?"
damn Sage, for real?

Submitted by Sage at 2012-09-21 15:35:32 EDT (#)

Ok, cool.

But seriously, are you a Libra?

Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-21 14:53:59 EDT (#)

Sage,

I can totally see where you're coming from. Thats kinda the point of this entire post: empathy.

I may not agree with you, but I certainly don't think you're an asshole for having faith. That would completely miss the point of what I'm trying to put out.

Thanks.

Submitted by Sage at 2012-09-21 14:19:08 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Are you a Libra?

Also, Christianity is flawed because of Christians, not because of Christ. Jesus never advocated butt-raping, calling people out, or murder; He was all about humility, acceptance, and forgiveness.

Personally, I believe in Jesus and read the Bible and try to live my life in a way reflective of those beliefs, but I fail every single day, as humanity is and always will be imperfect, to varying degrees only measured by mankind.

I completely understand your argument about the failures of Christianity as a religion, and I get that a lot of people have a hard time separating faith and religion, but let me assure you that they are indeed different.

Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-21 13:04:58 EDT (#)

Submitted by JonnyX at 2012-09-21 12:17:40 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

The problem is, the Muslim tradition is still firmly rooted in the 13th Century - they need to have a Renaissance/Reformation to shake things up and modernize things.

---------------------------

Its really funny you say that. Islam is 1400 years old. When Christianity was 1400 years old, it was just as, if not more, fucked up as present-day Islam. I'm not going to make an exhausting list of examples to prove my point, but I totally agree with your statement.

Submitted by FALLEN at 2012-09-21 12:48:32 EDT (#)

"I guess it's too much for empathy to go both ways."

Flack has enough Empathy to go both ways, Got it.

Always sort of knew that, he's got that "look"

Submitted by beergut at 2012-09-21 12:32:55 EDT (#)

Enter button so hard.

To press twice

Submitted by beergut at 2012-09-21 12:29:12 EDT (#)

I read your reply probably five times just to see if there was a hole there.
There isn't, and I don't disagree with you on either entry.
I guess it's too much for empathy to go both ways.
Im not sure what im getting at.
It's Friday and I've had too much to drink.

Submitted by JonnyX at 2012-09-21 12:17:40 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

The problem is, the Muslim tradition is still firmly rooted in the 13th Century - they need to have a Renaissance/Reformation to shake things up and modernize things.

Submitted by CaptainThorns at 2012-09-21 12:13:14 EDT (#)
Rating: 2


Homer: Hey, Flanders, it's no use praying. I already did the same thing,
and we can't both win.

Flanders:
Actually, Simpson, we were praying that no one gets hurt.

Dead Putting Society

Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-21 12:09:17 EDT (#)

Beergut,

All countries will have the religious crazies, whether they're first world western secular governments or third world religious aristocracies.

I can think of examples like Nidal Hassan, Fred Phelps, Warren Jeffs, and Anwar Al- Awlaki in the United States alone.

But I also know that most religious people in the West are not like the above 4. Most religious people just want to live their lives free of bullshit and tyranny just as secular people like me to.

I could go on about the tenants of why religion breeds crazy, and I could even go into a few atrocities caused by secularists/atheists in the past. But it doesn't change my point that once we can empathize with people that are different from us (whether religious, political, etc), we take a step towards a more productive human condition.

Will it happen in my lifetime? I highly doubt it. But we can try to set an example, starting now, for the future generations.

Just my two cents.

Submitted by beergut at 2012-09-21 10:17:37 EDT (#)

So whats with these muslims advocating the beheading of non believers in Australia. They've had an opportunity to see the world from the outside, away from dictators feeding them with lies, an opportunity to understand both sides.

Can I empathise with the muslims,who have never known better?
Absolutely.

But what about those that do?

Submitted by MANICMOTHER at 2012-09-21 09:53:39 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I was just told by a long time friend that I sounded like an ultra conservative Republican for suggesting that maybe, just maybe, THIS year's wacky weather might be pushed along by other factors besides just global warming.

I have been told that I'm a murderer because I support a woman's right to Choose, even though I never had to make that Choice.

I have been called anti-american and sand nigger lover because I have associated with Muslims in a friendly setting and consider several my friends.

I've been told that my oldest daughter's Asperger's was the price I paid because I sinned against god and had her and her sister BEFORE I married their father.

At 9yrs old, I was thrown out of Sunday school in Missouri and was told I was going to hell because I questioned the word of god by asking "Why?". (Ever see a baptist bible school teacher get so mad at a one word question that she froths at the mouth while screaming that you're a damned heretic? It was one hell of a show.)

I was told I was stupid and jeopardizing my family's lives by not stockpiling guns and food for the upcoming civil war which will erupt in November "When that tyrant/fascist/communist Obama refuses to relinquish the presidency after his devastating loss to Romney and completes his mission to destroy the fabric of American life."

People say lots of things, Flack, most of it bullshit. You can't reason with Stupid, that just fans the flames, but Stupid does shut up if you ignore it. It gets bored and wanders off to find an unguarded ear.

As far as religion goes, I find it frustrating that 3 major religions that all share the same back story, the same history and the same patriarchs, squabble like a bad family reunion that has spilled over into the rest of the world. We'd be a lot better off if we all put our egos aside, accept that the concept of god was created in our own collective minds to boost our sense of superiority over the rest of the world and move the fuck on.

Submitted by Replen at 2012-09-21 07:16:19 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

This was good and balanced.

I've always thought that the first step in achieving any sort of World Peace is to stop teaching religion, everywhere.


Submitted by BranDo at 2012-09-21 04:31:16 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Well done.


Submitted by Quartermain at 2012-09-21 03:09:58 EDT (#)

You should go back to posting tinny generic techno.

Submitted by RoadSong at 2012-09-21 01:51:58 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

"Hey, Bro. We get it. Just chill on the violence. It does nobody any good."

Submitted by grÜeMaster emeritus and uberlord supreme at 2012-09-21 01:40:25 EDT (#)

obama's a great president you stupid shallow piss drinker

go fuck yourself

or little orphee anal

your choice

or just masturbate bitterly, like you usually do

Submitted by bueller at 2012-09-21 01:34:57 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Well written and well thought out but you didn't see Christians killing people over Piss Christ.

Submitted by orphelia at 2012-09-21 01:28:44 EDT (#)

How rude! Certainly not on the first date.

:)


Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-21 01:22:16 EDT (#)

Submitted by orphelia at 2012-09-21 01:15:24 EDT (#)

*swoon*

I like your point of view. Put it in my butt.


UberTranslator™

Submitted by orphelia at 2012-09-21 01:15:24 EDT (#)

*swoon*

I like your point of view. Let's go for a beer.

Submitted by Flack at 2012-09-21 01:06:32 EDT (#)

Oh I totally do!

Submitted by orphelia at 2012-09-21 01:03:17 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I bet you look sexy when you talk so passionately.

Submitted by Earth Collapse at 2012-09-21 00:40:38 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Well, as an active-duty servicemember I am forced to embrace two realities: one in which I support and defend the constitution to include idiots with video cameras and a Youtube account, and two, that our lives have become significantly more complicated for those of us forward deployed (including myself.)

So, while I curse the prick responsible for the video, I respect his right to free speech - and it's something I do happily (even if I only am a photojournalist.)


Hey! Let's do that 2,000-pound man thing. I'll be that Carl Reiner guy,
and you be what's-his-face.

-- Homer Simpson
Homer vs. Patty and Selma