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Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 00:41:58 EDT
Rating: 0.65 on 80 ratings (80 reviews) (Review this item) (V)

response to: http://www.ubersite.com/m/101162#uber_reviews

CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS.

Bottom line.

When I was a kid, if I cussed at school I got my ass into a sling and shot towards suspension. I had the right to cuss and act like an idiot and the school had the right to use appropriate disciplinary action against me. Even pre-9/11 and pre columbine and pre VT, had I handed in a written paper about raping and shooting classmates, not only did the teachers get all over my shit about it but my parents beat my ass for being an idiot. Fuck this kid. Freedom of speech? It's not about that at all.

It's about a kid who doesn't have to play by the rules in school and now we expect that kid to follow rules in his adult life. Fuck him. You don't write that kind of shit down and hand it in as an assignment. He's an attention-grabbing little fucking tool and now he has attention. He's in the paper just like that sick fuck who shot up VT. Congrats, kid, you did it. I hope you end up on drugs in a street corner slowly dying.

Our children are pussified and we're coddling them WAY too much, if you ask me. Bust this kids ass and put that into the paper and that high school will receive a round of applause from me and anyone else that believes a kid deserves a swift kick in the ass when he/she steps out of line.

Freedom of speech my ass. I didn't have it as a kid. The Constitution applies to adults who pay taxes to be in this great country, not some attention-grabbing little shit or some jagoff illegal alien who purposefully has a child here.

I'm a democrat and a liberal but this shit just leaves a horrid taste in my mouth. The complete pussification of the liberal left gives the entire thing a bad name. Want to know why kids are shooting up schools and dressing like whores and doing drugs and getting pregnant at 15 and dropping out? Want to know why there's not near as many american mathematicians and scientists in the making? It's because the fucking tools that make the rules are giving them leeway when we had none when we were growing up. Our children are getting out of hand and need to be bitch-slapped back into shape. What ever happened to paddling kids in school? It's a swat across the ass and it sends a message. Oh boo fucking hoo "not my child" horseshit.

Discipline your kids, for fuck's sake.

Saying this kid's biggest adversary is fighting the oppression of his Constitutional rights is a load of shit and I'm not buying it. I'd say it's acting like a mature individual in high school. Who the fuck condones this shit? I was a kid and thought it was cool to write shit like this...oooo I'm so fucking risque!! But I knew better than to do it and actually hand it in as my work.

Fucking kids these days. I sound like my old man, for Christ's sake.

Wake up, you idiots. This should have never reached a newspaper.


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Submitted by JonnyX at 2007-05-01 19:08:38 EDT (#)
Rating: 1

+1worthy

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-30 12:54:26 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

being able to cuss or say violent things or condone drug use in school is hardly an essential liberty.

but I like that quote.

Submitted by zwerg at 2007-04-30 08:35:43 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Haven't read all the reviews, but +2 for this:

Discipline your kids, for fuck's sake.

Submitted by Flack at 2007-04-30 04:54:49 EDT (#)
Rating: 1

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Submitted by whiskey_jack at 2007-04-30 04:30:08 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

The only problem with free speech is that means someone might disagree with me when I'm always friggin right pretty sorta kinda maybe much.

Submitted by kaos-king at 2007-04-29 20:41:47 EDT (#)
Rating: 1

Ummm... I think you're right.

I get too worked up sometimes and loose focus in my self-righteous anger. NUUURRR!!!



Oh well. This has been a great post.


Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-29 20:37:40 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

kaos, I don't think you touched on any point he made there.

Submitted by kaos-king at 2007-04-29 20:15:27 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Oh, that's right RePet, I forgot...

Human Beings in America can't vote until 18, until the magic maturity fairy blesses them suddenly overnight, so the Rights we enjoy shouldn't apply to them. I mean, seriously, Kids ARE half-life creatures, 2nd class citizens. We should totally beat them and force our values upon them in the hope it engineers better drones for the coming age. Adults are so much more important, especially those busy parents who want their lil' ones instructed on all things at school so they can be more productive doing... eh, whatever! And as the son of two parents who were both teachers, I know they appreciated the fact that their students were forced into silent submission just as I was.




Yeah, drop outta school in the hopes of being a "Full-fledged" citizens, do it for the rights you already deserve.

Do it for all those filthy, naughty words like "Freedom."


Submitted by RePet at 2007-04-29 19:50:00 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

It IS more than Freedom of Speech. That freedom applies to all adults in this country that are fully-fledged citizens. This is true. However, before you go to school, hell, during the SIGN-UP, you (or your parents) agree to SUSPEND these rights so that the school can administer discipline. If you're 46 and you're still in school, you STILL can't swear, because it's in violation of what you agreed to in the first place. Don't like it? Drop out of school. Then you can swear all you want.

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-29 17:54:10 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

shit now I'm being called a conservative...

well, Kaos, I appreciate your insight and have enjoyed debating the issue with you but I think it's been beated to death over 70 reviews.

Thanks again.

Submitted by zoobie2000 at 2007-04-29 17:02:22 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I don't really get your point but think I agree with your hardline conservative ideas...

Submitted by kaos-king at 2007-04-29 16:31:40 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Not at all.

You know, the very concept of a "Taboo" is oxymoronic.

People HAVE to know of the Taboo idea, act, words, ect to KNOW they're Taboo!!! Nothing is Taboo, nor should it be.


In any case, what's Taboo to YOU may not be so to ME and it's all situational. Like dead baby jokes. I LOVE 'em. But I also know when it's appropriate to tell those kinda jokes, the correct social settings and the right type of people who will appreciate them. Different people in different environments desire different things. Documentaries like "The Aristocrats," Horror Novels, Sexually explict musical lyrics... these things all have their place. You may not care for them, but other enjoy them a great deal.

And that's the whole point of the 1st admendment. I despise conservative ideals being screeched all over the radio to ignorant white trash, but I'll be damned if anyone should try and take away their right to babble what I BELIEVE is dangerous propoganda.


Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-29 16:00:52 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

but don't you think that that measure of respect and maturity is developed by making certain things taboo?

Submitted by kaos-king at 2007-04-29 12:24:19 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Ahh, Unabonger... LOOPHOLE!!!


See, the thing is you have the right and the freedom to make that previous statement if you SO DESIRE. You are at your place of employment BY CHOICE so you may not to speak such things openly, but you have every right & ability to. I, for instance, would have easily been able to utter such a thing to one of my former bosses. He would have found it hysterical. You do NOT have a right to be employed and your boss may find such a statement a fireable offense.

Regardless, you have the backing of Bill Of Rights and The 1st Admendment in the United States to make such a wildly inappropriate speech.

Now, in the subject of Public Education, things can get murky. Until the age of 18 (most States) you are required by Law to be enrolled in some form of formal schooling. Until that magical age of 18, they are NOT there by choice. Therefore, since we are dealing with youth, we must be careful. I truly believe the children of America should be able to receive every benefit of our rights; something that has been woefully mishandled by politicians since they can't vote. Now, while they should be protected by American Rights as CITIZENS, we also must remember that they are still growing into their maturity and must be handled in a delicate, yet firm manner.

The key is NOT a broad-sweeping, government-based operation of censorship, but rather a personal one. And even then, it's not so much "Censorship," it's a matter of personal responsibility and social grace.


Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-29 11:20:39 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Freedom of speech-- Say anything you want whenever you want.

Everywhere in the world you have that kind of freedom of speech.

Reality-- There are consequences.


Unabonger's Boss: "Hey, Unabonger! How are you today?"
Unabonger: "Go fuck yourself you piece of shit. I hate you and this job. I raped your daughter last night and then made her suck my bloody dick."

That's freedom of speech excersized, no? Do I get fired for doing that? Yep. Could I get my ass kicked for that? Yep.

I'm saying there's consequences. And quit calling me Hitler because you have some deep desire to dress in those flashy SS uniforms, fag.

Freedom of speech is already selectively installed in our workplaces and our educational institutions. Come back to the real world, Peter Pan.

Submitted by Avals at 2007-04-29 09:23:44 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

So let me get this straight: What you're saying is that there SHOULD be freedom of speech, only that we should be able to selectively decide who gets it and who doesn't?

Well Sieg Heil, mein Fuhrer!

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-29 00:18:24 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Kaos --

You are absolutely right about the teacher giving a loaded assignment. I agree and totally see your point, where I hadn't considered that aspect. It's entrapment. Don't give an assignment free of censorship if you're not really ready to hear blatant thoughts. Also, I agree that you don't automatically become an adult when you turn 18. As far as censorship goes, I used to feel very strongly about it being a terrible thing. As I've gotten older, I realize that there's things I wouldn't want my children seeing or hearing. I don't have kids but I DO think it's inappropriate to use certain language around kids. I censor my own speech when one's present and I find it vulgar and crass when I see someone else not.

I feel that censorship has it's place in civilized society. I think it instills integrity and maturity. I know there's not a lot parents can do about sheilding a child from violence, sex and extreme behavior if the kid's intent on seeing it. My parents did the best they could but I went out and saw what I could anyway. But being raised knowing that violence, sex, and extreme behavior was something my parents DIDN'T want me to see, I think it developed a sense to know when and where it's appropriate to use foul language and I think that's a valuable lesson.

GreEn--

I see your point. I may have come across as harsh when I said we need to beat our kids. I don't mean we should literally thrash our children. But I DO believe in some small measure of negative reinforcement. I grew up with it. My parents didn't beat me and they never swatted my ass for something I didn't know was wrong. They made it clear that I shouldn't do A, B, C, or D and when I did it, I knew it was wrong. I got my ass spanked. If I cussed I got my face slapped. I don't think that kind of physical punishment breeds a sick individual. It's when you've got a child who doesn't know they did anything wrong getting hit where the problems start.


I'll say again that I think this kid knew he'd get a reaction. And for the teachers or his parents to turn their heads and scoff at it is the wrong move. I think the kid's acting like a smartass and he should be reprimanded and punished for it.

Submitted by greEn_uGly at 2007-04-28 23:30:03 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

i think the main reason we kicked out padding was because we wanted children to not do bad things because they realised it was wrong. not just because they feared to be punished.

beating up children probably won't solve as many problems as you imagine..
in fact i think most of the serial killers were beaten up quite a lot when they were young..

in this case however, why the fuck expell him? just get him assesed mentally and take it from there..

Submitted by pandora at 2007-04-28 19:57:38 EDT (#)
Rating: 1

I think the biggest outrage in this situation is how that kid could be a straight-A student and such a bad writer.

I don't think this kid should be punished just because you or I might think he did something stupid or thoughtless. Even if he wrote it to be a smartass, the guidelines for the assignment ("write whatever comes to mind WITHOUT CENSORING YOURSELF") pretty much ask for it. For some folks, opening up like that lets the inner jerk flow. What comes to their minds is to fuck with people. He was still within the guidelines.

Also, I hate to be the crusher of all hope, but even if we start watching that kid from now on, JUST IN CASE, there is no proof that there's a connection between creating violent imagery and the potential to become a killer. But we won't know for sure about this guy unless we watch him for the rest of his life, right? I guess the only way to really be safe from potential killers like this kid would be to have cameras follow him everywhere. Then when he goes into the gun shop, we'll be able to quickly evacuate his school and call the SWAT team.


Submitted by Hagard at 2007-04-28 18:58:54 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

whats a jag off?

Submitted by Bubba2341 at 2007-04-28 18:58:01 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

The teachers will control what the students write. The school/city will control any punishment.
The government will control us all very soon. No guns, no right to write what you please.

See where we're headed? I won't even start on the stupidity of the teacher.

Submitted by kaos-king at 2007-04-28 18:27:04 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Sorry man, I totally disagree...

First of all, I blame an irreseponsible teacher for assigning such a loaded paper. The instructor should have known better than to do such a thing in a public high school, especially if they weren't prepared to receive works that they in turn wouldn't approve of. The school didn't find the subject matter appropriate? Well, I honestly think the teacher should be faulted just as well for providing the student with the oppertunity to create the work, free from guidelines, then coming back on their own assignment wailing about its content. Guess the dumb sonuva bitch should have thought about all the possibilties before handing out such an entrapping paper.

Second of all, if I had been so censored in my HS creative writing class, not only would I have thrown a complete fit, but I would have never actually discovered my love of it. Granted, this was over a decade ago, but SERIOUSLY... kids haven't changed that much. And anyone who has read any of meassure of MY work knows it's filled with gruesome, violent imagery. That's not a new trend, something I kept hidden until I was out of HS or developed late in my life. That came from reading people like Clive Barker at age 13 and being stunned by it, from an outlook that was part of my maturing process and from how I was raised.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with what the kid did. His age, 17 or 18, is also irrevelant to me. It's not like some magic fairy comes down and sprinkles maturity dust on you on your 18th birthday. Censorship is WRONG no matter the context. The only crime I see here is that someone is being penalized for creating a piece of original, personal work that was assigned to him, supposedly MEANT to be free from criticisms.


Submitted by wrinklebeast at 2007-04-28 16:19:07 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

I already went over the fact that these kids just don't follow rules anymore and expect that it's within their constitutional rights to be an irresponsible little shit. Yes, the parents contribute to how these kids end up, but in the end it's the kids who are making these decisions.

Your side is well put, Jimmy. Just remember that it's not just the parents who are at fault here.

Submitted by St_Jimmy at 2007-04-28 14:40:03 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I was going to say a lot of things, but then I read the reviews and saw that it'd all pretty much been said.

I agree with your general sentiment that parents need to guide/discipline their children more.

I think the problem is that a general feeling of laziness is spreading across. People want things easy. Why cook when there's McDonalds? Why talk to your kids when there's a computer/TV? Why exercise when you can just not? Why expend effort when you can just sit on your ass and watch American Idle?

What's that? It takes effort to raise a child? It takes effort to be in a marriage? Fuck that, I'm busy. Did you hear what Simon just said? Oh no he didn'...


Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 14:38:37 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Champagne hurts my teeth. I might have to walk to the liquor store. So much for working the 20 hours I had planned to work this weekend. Oh well...I'll never see this weekend again.

My philosophy rules.

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 14:32:17 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

champagne will give you teh hangoverz.

stick with the whiskey...at least that hangover is worth it.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 14:30:40 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Eh...a little bit. I'm finishing of whatever's left, which includes a little whiskey and a little beer. I'm alone today, so I might open that champagne from New Year's that we never opened. Then it's time for my nap. Then the family will be home and I'll have to play respectable again. I hate respectable. Then I've got work to do...or maybe I'll get drunk again and fuck around on somebody's post. After the ball game.

For more of my blog entries, please visit: http:\\www.stfudannyfrazier.com

Thank you.

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 14:26:27 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

are you still drunk, dude?

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 14:17:07 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I hit him hard, too. I'm a badass.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 14:15:04 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I got in trouble for hitting a kid in the back of the head with a spitball. My punishment was that I got to be last in line to make my plaster Aztec calender.

:(

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 14:13:36 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Well that's horseshit, Ghola...totally sucks.

Here in Nashville there was (and still is) a big fuss about the schools integrating a dress code policy. There's all these parents and kids up in arms about having to tuck in their shirts and what not. I can understand both sides of the argument and I do think it's a bit ridiculous for every student to have to tuck in their shirts but I also think that there are rules in life that sometimes don't make any sense and to teach our kids that they don't have to comply with those rules just because they don't make sense isn't a good lesson.

We couldn't wear 'Big Johnson' shirts or Beavis and Butthead shirts when I was in highschool and it didn't make any sense to me then or now. We weren't allowed to hold hands in school either. It didn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to me now but you follow the rules, regardless, or you get in trouble. It's simple. Tuck your shirt in. When you get off school grounds, smoke a joint, a cigarette, get an adult to buy you alcohol, untuck your shirt, wear offensive shirts, do what you want, just so long as your parents don't have a problem with it.

But when you're in a place filled with students, in an educational environment, follow the rules and do your homework. You'll graduate, then you can do whatever.

Learning how to follow rules that don't make sense teaches you responsibility and integrity. I think kids need to suck it up.

Submitted by ghola at 2007-04-28 13:49:08 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

they expelled a bunch of kids at the school here for wearing all black

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 13:42:02 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

okay, maybe you should read the reviews, idiot.

I have already said that fining him or taking legal action is excessive. I've said that quite a few times.

Also, you don't have the right to say anything you want or do anything you want in school and expect to not get punished for it.

Censorship exists in the adult world too, fucknut. So do laws. This is not a free society. There are rules that dictate proper behavior. This isn't anarchy. You simply AREN'T allowed to do things without repercussions. I'm not arguing that he's a child (although 18 is YOUNG and, in my eyes, still a child). He's in school. It makes him subject to the rules and censorships that exist in school.

I'll repeat myself yet again incase you missed it the first twenty times:

If he's not a threat to classmates, he should be in trouble for being an idiot. He writes shit about drugs, murder, and rape and hands it to a teacher. Did he think he'd get an A for that shit? Punish stupidity. This isn't a lack of intellect. The kid's a straight-A student. They wouldn't be punishing genetic stupidity. They would be punishing a bad choice the kid made. Everyone suffers from bad choices.

And, once again, I don't think this shit should have EVER reached a newspaper. It's minor and the teacher should have brought him up in front of the class to have him read it. Then ask him hard questions about why the hell he's writing about fucking dead bodies. See how his classmates like that.

When that sick fuck wrote that drivel in VT and it was reported, now you have a shitload of people screaming "WHY WASN'T HE COMMITTED??" and "Why didn't the school do more??" and "This could have been prevented!!"

So what is a teacher supposed to do in this case? He/she covered their ass. I'd have done the same thing because I'm not going to be scrutinized if this turns out for the worse and the kid shoots up the school.

Fuck this kid.

Submitted by Still-Life at 2007-04-28 13:17:22 EDT (#)
Rating: -2

You're a moron.

Reason 1:

He is 18 years old. 18 years old means you are an adult. Period. It says right at the end of the first paragraph of the MSNBC article that he is 18 years of age.

Reason 2:

The govt tries minors as adults for specific crimes anyway. So even if he were to say, commit murder at the age of 15-16, he'd probably be tried and sentenced as an adult.

Reason 3:

Regardless of how excessive, retarded, profane, etc, it is your right to be able to say what you want, when you want and where you want. It is YOUR view, it is YOUR opinion and not a single person has the right to censor you.

Reason 4:

The article in question doesn't even specifically point out that he was speaking of A: school B: teachers or C: students. So, basically he said it would be cool to shoot up a building with a sub-machine gun and rape bodies and he's being prosecuted for it.

By this young man writing what comes to mind, by this young man DOING WHAT HE IS TOLD TO DO, even specifically told not to censor himself, he's being punished. For words. On a piece of fucking paper which is an assignment HE WAS ORDERED TO DO.

The kid follows directions and gets fucking stuck with a $1500 fine? For writing a paper?

DISORDERLY CONDUCT FOR WRITING A PAPER?

I guess the govt needs to round up everyone who has ever written anything remotely edgy.

Round up any songwriters who enjoy gore.

Don't forget authors who depict violence.

And the movies? Oh god, fucking lets fucking crucify those writers and directors. (And you can stick me in jail while you're at it for this tongue-in-cheek statement.)

Its fucking retarded. The line was crossed a LONG time ago. You can't arrest someone for writing a non-discriminant paper that's vaguely similar to events that have unfolded recently (and have since the dawn of mankind, ironically enough).

It doesn't matter how stupid, spiteful, etc someone is. His rights are his rights. This school and these officers of the court are infringing upon his rights. This is wrong.

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 13:05:52 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Well I've already said I don't agree with the police being involved. That is going too far. And what the hell is money going to do, right?

Submitted by bart at 2007-04-28 12:15:23 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

When I was in school, you had to nearly kill somebody to get expelled. You could yell and swear and get in fights and the harshest punishment you would receive was a detention or a referral. You would need to stay after school and sit in a room doing nothing for an hour maybe a couple times and then you're done. That's a lot different than turning students into the police and having charges brought against them.

Submitted by MidnightToSix at 2007-04-28 11:36:15 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

These reviews are reading like that Year Zero album stuff going around: http://www.exterminal.net/

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 11:23:01 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

I agree with you, bart. I'm not talking about the big picture here. I'm not talking about our rights being infringed upon by other people's fear. I agree with nearly everything you said.

Just not in this case. I think you're taking the point way out of proportion. As I said before, schools have rules. Your rights end at the school door. You don't have the right to carry a weapon into school, right? You can't cuss and fuck off in a school right? You can't smoke cigarettes in the parking lot, right? There's a lot of things that adults or people out of school do every day that are perfectly legal. These things can't be done in school, simple as that. School has different rules about those things. School is NOT a democracy. Education doesn't play by those rules.

I'm talking about this one situation with this one stupid kid.

Even if he's not imbalanced, he IS an idiot for writing down "Drugs are fun" and "Stab stab stab" on a paper and handing it in to a teacher. I think punishment is in order for that stupidity.

Submitted by messmind at 2007-04-28 06:09:49 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Quality discusion below, Quite good post above....

Submitted by d_prime at 2007-04-28 04:39:26 EDT (#)
Rating: 1

Bart, you make a very good point that goes back to causality. Often when people see two things correspond in some way, they make up any sort of causal relationship that suits them, ignoring all the situations in which ONE of the factors is there but not the other. I wrote a lot of fucked up shit in my day, so far the only people I've murdered were in video games.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 04:23:26 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I used to load semis. Ha ha. I'm drunk. Goodnight.

Submitted by bart at 2007-04-28 03:36:28 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Have you considered that he wrote about killing people in school because of the VT shooting and not "in spite" of it? I'm guessing somebody also wrote something about terrorism, not in spite of 9/11, but because it's repeated fifty million times daily on television.


It's creative writing. I've written stories on ubersite about ripping people limb from limb and burning their bodies in acid. I would have written those same stories as school assignments if I were still in school.

If a teacher gives a creative writing assignment and says to write anything, then anything goes. If the class is World History and the question is "What influences do ancient Egyptian society have on our world today?" and your answer is "I am going to kill you and everyone in this class", then it's time to call the police.

Stories are not threats, foreshadowing, or insight into secret desires. There's nothing wrong with thinking about doing horrible things as long as you don't actually do them. Our country has gone off the deep end with the whole prevention thing. Everybody's an amateur psychologist now and can tell from the subtlest of behavioral patterns who may engage in real crimes in the future.

This is not freedom. If what you are doing has not been approved by the government, it is illegal. Even if it was explicitly approved beforehand, they may change their mind and decide to revoke that approval without telling you. The people you should be able to trust - teachers, police, neighbors - will turn you in if your behavior is suspicious. There are laws regulating what you eat, what you say, what you can read, and you are forced to break them regularly. You could be arrested at any point in time for any of the various crimes you are committing. You will not face a judge or a jury until well after your name is public, your reputation has been tarnished, and you've lost your job or gotten kicked out of school.

We could be talking about the war on drugs, war on terror, war on child pornography, or the war on school shootings. In an effort to keep themselves safe, people are more and more willing to infringe upon other people's rights unknowingly giving up their own rights in the process. The government grows larger and more corrupt, the executive branch runs amok, and the judicial system is a revenue-generating prison-camp-filling giant rubber stamp.


The US is a shining beacon of freedom and democracy.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 03:21:21 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

You're welcome.

Submitted by Wildman at 2007-04-28 02:22:17 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

The teacher could have crumpled it up, so I think there's another agenda going on here.

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 02:15:18 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

I mean the dude's writing "DRUGS ARE FUN" on a piece of paper and handing it to a teacher...


How retarded can you get?

I don't know why this really gets me going tonight but for some reason it really does.


I should go out...dayam. Fucking late work and shit.

Thanks for the hits, lungfish!!

G'night

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 02:07:18 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

I just think that he should be removed because he's a threat or he should be removed for being an idiot.

Either way, punish him.

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 01:58:05 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

okay I guess I'm not done...

okay, Sacrilicious and Bart, I honestly do appreciate your input. We differ and I'm not going to call you an idiot for disagreeing with me.

But if this kid is writing his 'stream of concsiousness' and it involves things like...

"Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did"

...then isn't that worth attention from the school and parents?

I mean I do conceed that it is a creative writing class and the teacher DID say that nothing would be taboo. I don't think it's appropriate to write that shit down and hand it in to a teacher and you should expect consequences if you do. This straight-A student didn't think this would create ripples? You honestly think this isn't some cry for attention? And the kid must have been aware of VT and could have easily realized that the teachers would HAVE to do something about it strictly because of the recent shooting.

I think it's two possibilities:

1. This kid wrote that shit in spite of what's happened recently at VT and expected (and possibly wanted) the attention it would most assuredly bring him.

2. This kid really has these kinds of thoughts and they run through his head on a daily basis.


I'm not an idiot. I know kids say and do stupid things. When I was a kid I thought a skull would be a cool thing to draw on my backpack. I thought being interested in morbid things was cool. I thought it was badass to obsess over taboo things like graphic violence. But it's all, in reality, fake. I used to act like I could come into school with "my dad's gun" and wipe out a few people. Nothing shocked me and the more I took things that were shocking to other people at a casual glance, the more awesome I was. It's not real. But I knew better than to show those things to my teachers and parents. And those thoughts weren't the ones that came into my head on a regular basis.

On another note, this website isn't like a school. The fact is that this website is more extreme than anything I've ever read about. People say some fucked up shit on here. But when bart bans someone he's not 'oppressing their freedom of speech'. There's a venue for this kid's thoughts to be expressed and a writing class at a public high school is NOT the place. Has he registered for ubersite yet? We'd love it here. He'd get +2s. He might even get them from me.

This kid knew better. I think he knew this would garner attention. And for that fact alone, for being such a moron, I think he should be punished.

Anyway, that's my take on it.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:43:59 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Actually, I love cooking...for me and my family. I'm just not cooking for any of you fucks anymore.

I just noticed a new post to fuck around on.

Please don't ban me, Bart.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:42:37 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I don't cook anymore. I hate fucking cooking. Please don't ban me, Bart.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:41:26 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

From corn dogs to sous chef at a fancy restaurant in Flagstaff, Arizona. How can one man do it alone?

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:40:33 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I used to cook in a French restaurant, too. Ha ha.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:38:10 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Go Phillies WOO!!!!

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:34:55 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

My first job was making corn dogs in the mall. Ha ha.

Submitted by manic_impressive at 2007-04-28 01:32:17 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

lungfish is drunk and i didnt read this

Submitted by Sacrilicious at 2007-04-28 01:29:57 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

I like you, but I don't like this at all. It doesn't read to me like this kid was writing something for shock value. He followed the guidelines of his assignment. He allegedly wrote as stream of consciousness. He did as he was told.

How is the fiction he wrote any different than what we read on uber everyday? Because it was for school?

"dressing like whores and doing drugs and getting pregnant at 15 and dropping out? Want to know why there's not near as many american mathematicians and scientists in the making?"

I started high school almost twenty years ago this year. There were whores and drugs and pregnant teens then, too. So either our parents (mine were strict) made the same mistakes as the parents of today, or else there's some faulty logic going on here.

Sometimes people need an outlet to *maintain* their sanity, and sometimes that's writing fiction or lyrics and the like that offend other people. Just because a few insane people commit heinous crimes, sad as that may be, does not mean that every person who writes as such is a threat. Investigating the issues is smart. But expelling, arresting, or otherwise punishing the writer, in my opinion, *IS* an infringement on his rights- which he has- whether or not you believe he does or should.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:29:51 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Fuck. You ruined it for me, Bart. I have to find another post to fuck around on...at least until Bill Maher starts.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:28:50 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

In all honesty, I think Bart and I are in tune, politically speaking. Sorry I fuck around on your website.

Of course I'm not sorry at all, but...eh, whatever.

Thanks, Bart.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:26:30 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Yeah...that's what I meant to say.

Submitted by bart at 2007-04-28 01:20:13 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

The kid is an adult and the point is that he's being charged with the crime of writing a story. If he took a knife and stabbed somebody, the police would "charge him as an adult", but now that it's convenient for them to do so he's considered a child?

Anybody who thinks this is justified needs to mention the VT shootings in the same context because that brings up unrelated imagery of a horrific crime so that the listener doesn't apply any actual logic to the situation and instead reacts to the extreme example rather than properly identify that the teacher, school, and police are idiots for charging him.

It's the same as the "invoke September 11th" strategy the federal government uses. Anytime somebody tries to think logically, you need to recite an example of powerful tragic imagery to distort people's perceptions into something you can control through fear. Last month, would this same kid with the same assignment and the same result have been kicked out of school and arrested? No. Now that we can invoke the "VT shooting" image, the whole thing almost seems logical.

Also, what kind of creative writing teacher turns in a student for something like this? If you don't want them to write freely, give them an assignment where they don't need to think. Tell them to write bullshit about flowers and puppy dogs so that no dangerous thoughts can occur. Tell them to copy a paragraph from the document of approved government texts. Don't tell the class to write whatever stream of consciousness comes to mind and then charge them with a crime when they actually do it.


These are weak minded fearful people who have been given authority they should not have. This is an extremely dangerous precedent and yet one more example of why our society is in rapid decline.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:20:07 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

My sister's first job was at KFC in Rolla, Mo. Now she's a vegan. Ha ha.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:19:15 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I used to cook in an Italian restaurant. Ha ha.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:18:27 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

One of my brother works for a furniture store. Ha ha.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:17:41 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

My mother worked for GE. Ha ha.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:16:04 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

OK I'm drunk.

Submitted by d_prime at 2007-04-28 01:15:59 EDT (#)
Rating: -1

I'm really oppossed to the "OH I SPEAK REALLY BOLDLY AND I AM SO REBELLIOUS CAUSE I AM WILLING TO SAY I AM AGAINST HUMAN RIGHTS BLAH BLAH BLAH" attitude that, eerily, others seem to like.

Being fined is censorship, as that's legal action. But being punished by his particular school isn't.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:15:33 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

My dad was in the army. My grandpa was one of Darby's Rangers. Ha ha. Suck it.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:09:57 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Oops. Sorry 'bout the 0. Beer.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:07:00 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Well, I read it, and don't feel it appropriate for me, or anyone, to comment on the case without knowing a little bit more information about the case.

That is all.

I may change my mind when I'm good and schnookered later on. That's a word my dad uses. I am becoming my dad.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:03:09 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Okay. I'll read it. Fuck!

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 01:02:06 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

One more thing and I'm leaving this alone for the evening...

I don't think this kid should be fined or be subjected to legal action. But I DO think the kid should be expelled or suspended.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 01:01:53 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I can do more if you like.

No?

Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB at 2007-04-28 00:53:34 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Nixon was a great pianist. Google it.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 00:53:33 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2007-04-28 00:51:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

I'm a bit drunk...and not sure I read that all ... um...what's the work...uh...I don't know.

Good rant. I tend to be liberal too, but I understand, if I don't sympathize... oh shit... thoughts... where's they go./

I disciplined (wow...spelt correctly first try) ... ush

I think Republucians ageter Nixon sucks balss. Nixons was actually a goo d president. Terrible man, but good presidnent.

My dis is waiwsome.

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By the way...that's my first attempt at feigning drunk writing. How was it? Too much, or not enough. I am a bit drunk, but I'm an excellent typist.

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 00:52:02 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Bart rarely leaves more than one comment. It's convenient for him that way.

Submitted by lungfish at 2007-04-28 00:51:36 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

I'm a bit drunk...and not sure I read that all ... um...what's the work...uh...I don't know.

Good rant. I tend to be liberal too, but I understand, if I don't sympathize... oh shit... thoughts... where's they go./

I disciplined (wow...spelt correctly first try) ... ush

I think Republucians ageter Nixon sucks balss. Nixons was actually a goo d president. Terrible man, but good presidnent.

My dis is waiwsome.


Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB at 2007-04-28 00:50:44 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Hey bart, I was enlisted at age 17. I turned 18 during boot camp. Both my parents co-signed my papers because I wanted to get out into the world, and they thought enough of me to feel that I was capable of doing so.

Otherwise, Im drunk, and have no idea what im saying . :)

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 00:50:18 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

or, rather, this kind of respect for reality?

fuck him.

Submitted by Unabonger at 2007-04-28 00:49:00 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

He's still in school, dipshit. He has to play by those rules.

What, he's going to go into the military with this kind of respect for authority?

Whatever, bart.

Submitted by bart at 2007-04-28 00:46:18 EDT (#)
Rating: 0

Eighteen year olds are not children. The guy had signed enlistment papers you fucking idiot.

Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB at 2007-04-28 00:43:10 EDT (#)
Rating: 2

Sure.
Whatever.


Even the Chinese are against me.

-- Homer Simpson
The Last Temptation of Homer