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Cognitive Dissonance in the Mind of God (4772 hits)

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-04-29 20:50:24 EDT

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'Cognitive Dissonance' is what happens when the signs are so large and the clues so obvious and numerous as to be 'hiding in plain sight'. The human mind passes over them as if they are nonexistant. This is because our minds can only process and assimilate so much information at once and the forces of evil are allowed to run amok right under our noses. The senses become overloaded with so much disparate information that the mind is no longer able to distinguish between truth and fiction, namely because one cannot specifically recall which came first, or which history to believe.

Was it a history written by the ultra conservative Chistian right? Or was it a history written by the communist illuminati of the left?

To become aware of these forces and how their interaction rules the minds of people by keeping them constantly at odds with one another is to open what some would refer to as the 'third eye'. This is a mode of perception that transcends all limitation of party...sees the all-encompassing truth that forces beyond this world are in control. All the desires of mankind...all the things that make us tick, our history, our culture, our nationality, our religion...it's all one grand illusion.

Throughout history, our literature have reflected these central themes. What is the spirit of man? Do we have a soul? Is there more going on than only that which we see?

Alice in Wonderland
Through the Looking Glass
The Wizard of Oz
1984
The Holy Bible

What do all these books have in common? The central themes are of finding truth in a confusing world. Finding ourselves and our beliefs against an onslaught of chaos and insanity. Finding peace amid a world in turmoil.

The thinking man is no more than one who is willing to--at every stage, and even in the most fundamental of persuits--ask himself: where is the line between fantasy and history? Between illusion and reality? Has it really come back to a point where I must declare my existence based on the fact that I think at all? Is the only true answer 'I don't know'?

'Genius' and 'paranoid schizophrenia' are but two different perspectives of the same general misconception: that ultimate truth is out of our grasp.

The truth is a many-sided coin. To fail to turn the coin over is to fail to capture the entire truth and see the larger conspiracy which controls both sides by contstantly pitting them against one another.

Yet, to see truth and to articulate it across the vast gulf that separates the perceptions of one person from another is a far different matter.

Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul? Did you know that the Collective Unconscious truly exists and that by tapping into it through meditation, or cheating by altering the chemical makeup of our brains, we can achieve a state of ESP, allowing us to communicate with one another without speaking? Even if you think I'm crazy, one experience doing it, just one time in this world of archetypal forms and endless expanse of mind and you will immediately understand where you are. You will immediately remember being here before. And suddenly, in the infinite silence, all things become clear.

I could go on about 9/11.
I could go on about HAARP.
I could go on about the ultra-conservative, Christian New World Order.
I could go on about the Communist Left and the Illuminati and Federation of Man.

But all these things only obfuscate what it means to be a man and to see truth. They are but details in an ongoing story that stretches down into the core of who and WHAT we are here in this body...on this planet...in this space.

The first step is to awaken - to open the 'third eye'.

The next step is to realize that all that you see is so much mud on the psyche.

Then, the next step is when you realize that there truly are spiritual forces at work. These forces are necessary. These forces are eternal. The nature of the universe and the spirit is one of CIRCLES. To find the centre of this circle and, in effect, be outside it, looking upon it, is to find the meaning of 'OM'.

It is to become one with the vibration of the ages...with Time itself. It is at this point you will know your place as a cell in the Mind of God.

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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-02-12 23:52:21 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:32:18 (#)
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We are not this body. We are not these thoughts.

Awaken to the dream or wander like a lost babe into the nightmare.

Break out or succumb to the sickness.

Find peace in oneness or be torn asunder in the palace of fear and isolation.

There is a moment just as the predator has severed your jugular that acceptance of fate is a virtue, to seek refuge in the stillness outside the will to survive is to hear the all-powerful voice of God, to rise above this earthly body, and to remember who you are.
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This and the two ETS comments below it are two of the best ever.

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Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2006-09-18 21:22:49 EDT (#)
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


AHAHAHHHHAhahahHAHAHAH

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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-05-05 15:46:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:09:03 (#)
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Spook,

if this is really you http://www.ubersite.com/m/84317 you should never ever threaten to punch someone in the face. If you said that to me in real life I would smack the faggot out of you. And then you would have nothing to do on saturday nights.
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hahaha

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Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2006-05-05 13:01:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jonukah (user info) at 2006-05-04 12:31:58 (#)
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Everything is relative?!

A FALLACY!

There is but one absolute

which, of course, is: There is but one absolute.
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wow, deep :P

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Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-05-04 20:33:57 EDT (#)
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my buddhist altar needs to be dusted.


BUDDHA DOES NOT LIKE BEING DUSTY!!

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Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2006-05-04 20:22:53 EDT (#)
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+2 for making the MVA, that'll show em your not crazy

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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-04 16:57:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jonukah (user info) at 2006-05-04 12:31:58 EDT (#)
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Everything is relative?!

A FALLACY!

There is but one absolute

which, of course, is: There is but one absolute.

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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-05-04 12:22:11 EDT (#)
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outlook just popped up a reminder to call ETS a cunt.

Cunt.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:36:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:21:40 (#)
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I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

If you can't be bothered to read what is posted, and you don't have any knowledge of the subject than take your own advice and shut the fuck up.

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It's good to see you putting that engineering degree to good use by fucking off all day.

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Way to set an example of hard work by continuing to respond on Uber.

You sure showed me what hard work is.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:09:03 EDT (#)
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Spook,

if this is really you http://www.ubersite.com/m/84317 you should never ever threaten to punch someone in the face. If you said that to me in real life I would smack the faggot out of you. And then you would have nothing to do on saturday nights.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:07:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:53:46 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:34:35 (#)
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A miserable fuck? You are getting bent out of shape and making internet threats over an argument on the internet you admitedly don't care about, and I am the miserable fuck? That makes sense...

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Hit a little too close to home on that one too I see? I don't see how name calling is considered a threat. Forgive my opinion, but from what you type, you seem like a miserable person who is never content. Excuse me, but I must go earn my salary.
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What hit close to home? I think we have comfortably established that you are the miserable fuck. You may say that arguing over the internet is pathetic, but it is even more pathetic that it upsets you so much you threaten people. And no, name calling isn't considered a threat but saying, "in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit" is.

By the way saying "that hit a little too close to home" isn't a clever come back, no matter how many times you use it.


If I don't seem content, sorry. It would get a little boring if I repeated on every comment that I have a fiance, I own a house, I have a good job, I am healthy, I have traveled the world, etc. I don't come to the internet to brag, I come here to amuse myself when bored. Maybe I should do more constructive things on here like you. thats it I will go tell people how to have conversations like men and say I will punch them in real life, that will make me seem content.


Twat.

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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-05-04 08:00:39 EDT (#)
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by 'earn my salary' you really mean 'get my tampons,' don't you?

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:53:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:34:35 (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:26:17 (#)
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If you didn't read it how do you know nobody here has any knowledge of the subject?


I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

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You forget the fact that I don't give a shit. I also have a degree in engineering, but unlike yourself, I spend my day using it. Perhaps you should try to excel in something as well instead of being a miserable fuck with all the answers.

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A miserable fuck? You are getting bent out of shape and making internet threats over an argument on the internet you admitedly don't care about, and I am the miserable fuck? That makes sense...

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Hit a little too close to home on that one too I see? I don't see how name calling is considered a threat. Forgive my opinion, but from what you type, you seem like a miserable person who is never content. Excuse me, but I must go earn my salary.

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:46:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:33:54 (#)
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wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, Spook



Ouch.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:34:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:26:17 (#)
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If you didn't read it how do you know nobody here has any knowledge of the subject?


I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

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You forget the fact that I don't give a shit. I also have a degree in engineering, but unlike yourself, I spend my day using it. Perhaps you should try to excel in something as well instead of being a miserable fuck with all the answers.

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A miserable fuck? You are getting bent out of shape and making internet threats over an argument on the internet you admitedly don't care about, and I am the miserable fuck? That makes sense...

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:28:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-03 11:22:33 (#)
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You're a twat spooky.



Hit a little too close to home with that 10th grade history teacher huh?

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-04 07:26:17 EDT (#)
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If you didn't read it how do you know nobody here has any knowledge of the subject?


I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

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You forget the fact that I don't give a shit. I also have a degree in engineering, but unlike yourself, I spend my day using it. Perhaps you should try to excel in something as well instead of being a miserable fuck with all the answers.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-03 11:22:33 EDT (#)
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You're a twat spooky.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-03 08:02:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:23:20 (#)
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Sorry if I don't trust wack jobs from the internet. It's good to see you trust your friends. I trust you'll shut the fuck up because I know for a damn fact you don't know shit about anything BUT simple physics. You're probably a 10th grade history teacher, which makes you an expert on fucking nothing. I was not just talking to you either. I was speaking collectively to the entire group of idiots arguing back and forth like 12 year old girls. I didn't read what any of you morons wrote, nor do I care. When I see this back and forth between people WITHOUT any knowledge of the subject besides some random third party's opinion it pisses me off. If you know (in your own small mind) that you're right, suck it up and shut the fuck up. Men shouldn't argue like children on subjects they know little about. At least, not real men.
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If you didn't read it how do you know nobody here has any knowledge of the subject?


I have a degree in engineering and had a job where I had to work with explosives for three years. Does it make me an expert, no. But it does make me knowledgable enough to disprove stupid fucking theories.

If you can't be bothered to read what is posted, and you don't have any knowledge of the subject than take your own advice and shut the fuck up.


"If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit."
-Great to see what "real men" write about on the internet. Keep up with your internet threats tough guy, I will be sure to talk about this quietly in real life, just in case I ever run into you.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-03 07:49:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:33:54 (#)
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wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, Spook

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hahahahahhahahahahha

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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:33:54 EDT (#)
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wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, Spook

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-03 06:23:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:23:21 (#)
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"And asking some college, soon to be meth lab employee, chemist for their opinion on thermite is a valid research option? "Well, my dude said blah blah blah." I find it pretty disgusting that people on this site think they have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to science or physics in general. All the scientists and people with real knowledge of this subject are actually making money or completing useful research. They sure as hell aren't on here arguing with a bunch of dead end job fuckwits about hypothetical scenerios or throwing around inconclusive facts they found on some bullshit internet site. If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit."



I have some idea what I'm talking about when it comes to science.

This is what my original comment was about, just because i am using the internet does not make me a fucking moron.

And My friend isn't in college, he earns £100K+. don't know how much exactly but hes fucking loaded, I respect his opinion on this subject more than ETS or Wardys and more than yours.

Don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about (I'm not exactly an expert, but I seem to have a much stronger grasp of simple physics than ETS) and my amte doesn't know wha hes talking about just because the discussion is taking place on the internet.

You don't know me. You don't know what YOU'RE talking about.

Tell me one 'inconslusive fact' I have stated, tell me which 'bullshit website' I got it from.

What crap am I talking you fuck.

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Sorry if I don't trust wack jobs from the internet. It's good to see you trust your friends. I trust you'll shut the fuck up because I know for a damn fact you don't know shit about anything BUT simple physics. You're probably a 10th grade history teacher, which makes you an expert on fucking nothing. I was not just talking to you either. I was speaking collectively to the entire group of idiots arguing back and forth like 12 year old girls. I didn't read what any of you morons wrote, nor do I care. When I see this back and forth between people WITHOUT any knowledge of the subject besides some random third party's opinion it pisses me off. If you know (in your own small mind) that you're right, suck it up and shut the fuck up. Men shouldn't argue like children on subjects they know little about. At least, not real men.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-03 05:11:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 17:45:41 (#)
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This is the last time I'm responding to your stupid ass, Wardy...

You find me ONE PICTURE. ONE SINGLE PHOTOGRAPH of a piece of an airplane...a wing, a fuselage, a suitcase, an engine, ANYTHING...from the field in Pennsylvania where Flight 93 'allegedly' crashed and I'll concede defeat on this issue.

Find me one photo of just ONE BODY from ANY of the four plane crashes of that day, and I will likewise concede defeat on this ENTIRE ISSUE.

I challenge you, sir.

*slap with silk glove*

Now get looking, bitch, and don't come back till you find something.

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read what you fucking wrote, moron.

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Submitted by georgemichael (user info) at 2006-05-03 03:09:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 22:03:52 (#)
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http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html -- there you go, cunt. now leave ubersite. it looks like from the info there that finding substantial evidence of a fuselage after an accident of this nature would be next to impossible.
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Relevant link -2

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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-05-02 22:46:26 EDT (#)
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Flight 93 crashed on a field and stopped in a grove of trees at 584 mph. The trees would have acted similar to a building's support columns and torn the plane apart like in the Pentagon crash.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 22:35:20 EDT (#)
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Flight 93 was the one that crashed in the field you fucking idiot, but doesn't matter. I'm already leaving.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 22:03:52 EDT (#)
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http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html -- there you go, cunt. now leave ubersite. it looks like from the info there that finding substantial evidence of a fuselage after an accident of this nature would be next to impossible.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:26:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:13:57 (#)
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If anyone can find me a picture of a piece of Flight 93 or a body from Flight 93 I will leave ubersite and never come back.

Cross my heart and hope to die.

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The existence or not or availabiliy or not of pictures of fueselage prooves nothing.

Myself and others have stated many times, that Thermite could not have been used to demolish the WTC. We have prooved it way way way beyond reasonable doubt. So admit you are wrong or provide another explanation.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:23:21 EDT (#)
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"And asking some college, soon to be meth lab employee, chemist for their opinion on thermite is a valid research option? "Well, my dude said blah blah blah." I find it pretty disgusting that people on this site think they have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to science or physics in general. All the scientists and people with real knowledge of this subject are actually making money or completing useful research. They sure as hell aren't on here arguing with a bunch of dead end job fuckwits about hypothetical scenerios or throwing around inconclusive facts they found on some bullshit internet site. If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit."



I have some idea what I'm talking about when it comes to science.

This is what my original comment was about, just because i am using the internet does not make me a fucking moron.

And My friend isn't in college, he earns £100K+. don't know how much exactly but hes fucking loaded, I respect his opinion on this subject more than ETS or Wardys and more than yours.

Don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about (I'm not exactly an expert, but I seem to have a much stronger grasp of simple physics than ETS) and my amte doesn't know wha hes talking about just because the discussion is taking place on the internet.

You don't know me. You don't know what YOU'RE talking about.

Tell me one 'inconslusive fact' I have stated, tell me which 'bullshit website' I got it from.

What crap am I talking you fuck.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 19:13:57 EDT (#)
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If anyone can find me a picture of a piece of Flight 93 or a body from Flight 93 I will leave ubersite and never come back.

Cross my heart and hope to die.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 17:45:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:55:17 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87375#1959475 -- oh, and is this really your idea of evidence?


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This is the last time I'm responding to your stupid ass, Wardy...

You find me ONE PICTURE. ONE SINGLE PHOTOGRAPH of a piece of an airplane...a wing, a fuselage, a suitcase, an engine, ANYTHING...from the field in Pennsylvania where Flight 93 'allegedly' crashed and I'll concede defeat on this issue.

Find me one photo of just ONE BODY from ANY of the four plane crashes of that day, and I will likewise concede defeat on this ENTIRE ISSUE.

I challenge you, sir.

*slap with silk glove*

Now get looking, bitch, and don't come back till you find something.

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Submitted by JumpingJax (user info) at 2006-05-02 17:39:36 EDT (#)
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Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul?

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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-05-02 16:35:55 EDT (#)
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To whomever it was that spent one American dollar on the Uberboard - and I realize that for some of you, this represents a huge percentage of your weekly bring home pay - I am currently working on a new post and expect to have to finished, complete with new camwhore to use on all of your photoshop projects, sometime between Thursday and September 4th.

Please, Shlongy asks for your patience. Thank you.

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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-05-02 15:14:23 EDT (#)
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Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul? Did you know that the Collective Unconscious truly exists and that by tapping into it through meditation, or cheating by altering the chemical makeup of our brains, we can achieve a state of ESP, allowing us to communicate with one another without speaking?""


No I did not know that.

Do you know WHY I didn't know that?

BECAUSE I AM NOT INSANE LIKE YOU.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 14:46:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-02 14:06:52 (#)
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You're all equally wankers, all of you think you're so right about everything.
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I'm not right about everything. If anything I don't give a shit about 9/11.


The only thing that bothers me is ETS thought process.

Which is extrapolating a small disparate fact into a complete and total govnerment conspiracy.

I know plenty of people who think there are is a lot of problems with the offical version. Hell, I do to. But I don't know anyone who assume it's the government or a new world order.

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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-02 14:06:52 EDT (#)
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You're all equally wankers, all of you think you're so right about everything.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 14:01:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:26:04 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:10:11 (#)
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All you provided is "Bush is puppet controlled by Exxon" and some vague references about people with power. Wow. I don't even have to debunk your arguments since you can't even explain your fucking premise.

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Why would he explain it to you it is just going to change tomorrow.

Or at least you will perceive it to change.

The only way you will understand his arguments is if you realize you are one with the oversoul and threaten to beat people to death that don't agree with you.
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Are my questions stupid or is he the one being dense? I want a third party to tell me.

Am I the only one who thinks that this theory, while arguable on the details (Silverstein, WTC7, Pentagon, United 93, blah blah blah), doesn't fit too well on the big picture?

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you're right, he just has no counter. his only counter is "you're an idiot!! don't you see!!" and then he regurgitates everything again. all of which still doesn't make any sense if you actually look at it.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:55:17 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87375#1959475 -- oh, and is this really your idea of evidence?

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:54:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.

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hey there tough guy, why don't we settle down. i realize making hardcore violent threats over the internet to some guy you'll never meet probably makes your nillies get all hard and splooge-ready. trouble is, you're making a threat to a guy you will never see -- and also to a guy that couldn't give a rat's ass if you wanted to fight me.

OH NO!! I GOT IN AN ARGUMENT WITH A GUY ON THE INTERNET AND NOW HE'S GOING TO KILL ME FOR IT!!! STOMP ON MY FACE AND BREAK ME IN HALF!!!

get a fucking life loser.

oh, and thanks for helping we out with the video info, like i said, i'm not an expert. way to try and make me look like an ass when i clearly stated in my review i wasn't really sure what i was talking about -- you're really going to win people over like that.


although the video quality still is shit and doesn't show me anything.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:54:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:26:04 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:10:11 (#)
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All you provided is "Bush is puppet controlled by Exxon" and some vague references about people with power. Wow. I don't even have to debunk your arguments since you can't even explain your fucking premise.

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Why would he explain it to you it is just going to change tomorrow.

Or at least you will perceive it to change.

The only way you will understand his arguments is if you realize you are one with the oversoul and threaten to beat people to death that don't agree with you.
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Are my questions stupid or is he the one being dense? I want a third party to tell me.

Am I the only one who thinks that this theory, while arguable on the details (Silverstein, WTC7, Pentagon, United 93, blah blah blah), doesn't fit too well on the big picture?

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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:27:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:21:25 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:14:34 (#)
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Most women here could wrestle you down with one arm you tiny fucking lunatic.

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Sounds fun. One day we'll test that theory.
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i lift, i'll do it.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:26:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:10:11 (#)
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All you provided is "Bush is puppet controlled by Exxon" and some vague references about people with power. Wow. I don't even have to debunk your arguments since you can't even explain your fucking premise.

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Why would he explain it to you it is just going to change tomorrow.

Or at least you will perceive it to change.

The only way you will understand his arguments is if you realize you are one with the oversoul and threaten to beat people to death that don't agree with you.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:24:19 EDT (#)
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You know, a normal person would pass away the information and let other people make up their mind.
Perhaps the next person would demand that the investigation be reopened but wuold not go as far as you to say that it,s the christian new world order and whatnot.

If you cared that much about your cause, and not your fucking ego, you would spend your time distributing this information, not cramming down YOUR interpretation of it down a few people's throat on Ubersite.

Why can't you be a normal person?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 13:10:11 EDT (#)
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Caul, I still didn't say Bush was BEHIND it all by his lonesome. Bush is a puppet. He's a face that those who wished to exert power through him used to their own ends. """

You just don't get it, do you? You still make shit up anyway. The fact that Silverstein said "pull" it or other anomalies doesn't prove these conclusions you're pulling out of your ass. Just because you FEEL Bush is a puppet controlled by powerful people who were the perpetrators of 9/11, doesn't make it so. It could be anything for all I care. You don't seem to realize that once you leave the territory of the arguments about Silverstein, WTC7, Pentagon, etc, YOU ARE IN FUCKING WONDERLAND!

You can argue about the anomalies as long as you want. But you still haven't provide a LOGICAL and COHESIVE explanation about WHY the government would do that, this way, this time, just once, with that many people, with AlQaeda...the loop holes are plenty!

All you provided is "Bush is puppet controlled by Exxon" and some vague references about people with power. Wow. I don't even have to debunk your arguments since you can't even explain your fucking premise.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:21:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:14:34 (#)
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Most women here could wrestle you down with one arm you tiny fucking lunatic.

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Sounds fun. One day we'll test that theory.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:18:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:13:33 (#)
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seems to me that what you are saying is that we are playing part in a supernatural play that we have neither control of or a vision of what the outcome is.

that is to summarize

but if that is the case then why spend time trying to preach to us about 'doing the right thing' when, according to your idea here, we don't have a say anyway?

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No, I'm saying we all have supreme control over ourselves. To exercise such control and to be mindful of how we are affecting our surroundings is holy.

There is no such thing as 'supernatural'. Nature just happens to be deeper and wider than we have the ability to perceive right now in this body.




Caul, I still didn't say Bush was BEHIND it all by his lonesome. Bush is a puppet. He's a face that those who wished to exert power through him used to their own ends.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:13:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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THEN we would be one.
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what does that mean by the way...is ETS and highlander?
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ETS feels the quickening, don't be jealous.


Unless he wins the prize our civilization will crumble.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:12:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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THEN we would be one.
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what does that mean by the way...is ETS and highlander?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:11:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-02 06:27:36 (#)
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I'm happy to see you morons pull random facts, equations, and calculations from the internet. I bet you fucks couldn't graph a straight line.

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Right, using the internet destroys ones mathematical abilities, well known fact.




And asking some college, soon to be meth lab employee, chemist for their opinion on thermite is a valid research option? "Well, my dude said blah blah blah." I find it pretty disgusting that people on this site think they have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to science or physics in general. All the scientists and people with real knowledge of this subject are actually making money or completing useful research. They sure as hell aren't on here arguing with a bunch of dead end job fuckwits about hypothetical scenerios or throwing around inconclusive facts they found on some bullshit internet site. If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit.
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Regardless if I'm included in these people you're talking about or not, this is fucking hilarious

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-02 12:01:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.




HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*snort*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-02 06:27:36 (#)
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I'm happy to see you morons pull random facts, equations, and calculations from the internet. I bet you fucks couldn't graph a straight line.

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Right, using the internet destroys ones mathematical abilities, well known fact.




And asking some college, soon to be meth lab employee, chemist for their opinion on thermite is a valid research option? "Well, my dude said blah blah blah." I find it pretty disgusting that people on this site think they have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to science or physics in general. All the scientists and people with real knowledge of this subject are actually making money or completing useful research. They sure as hell aren't on here arguing with a bunch of dead end job fuckwits about hypothetical scenerios or throwing around inconclusive facts they found on some bullshit internet site. If I heard any of this crap out of anyone in real life, I would punch them directly in the face because of my strict intollerance for utter bullshit.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:44:16 EDT (#)
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but it would be the government's fault. because the goverment intervene's everywhere for no particular reason.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:42:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:37:07 (#)
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I got $50 on Wardy"""

I wouldn't do that. Bradley would probably pull out a knife or a gun. Look how fucking crazy he gets for internet rating, imagine fighting!

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He would accidently stab/shoot himself if he did.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:37:07 EDT (#)
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I got $50 on Wardy"""

I wouldn't do that. Bradley would probably pull out a knife or a gun. Look how fucking crazy he gets for internet rating, imagine fighting!

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:15:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.


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I got $50 on Wardy.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:14:34 EDT (#)
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Most women here could wrestle you down with one arm you tiny fucking lunatic.

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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:13:33 EDT (#)
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seems to me that what you are saying is that we are playing part in a supernatural play that we have neither control of or a vision of what the outcome is.

that is to summarize

but if that is the case then why spend time trying to preach to us about 'doing the right thing' when, according to your idea here, we don't have a say anyway?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:11:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.
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You're no more than fucking 140 pounds, you're aging and you're a drug addict. Quit acting like you're badass.

I WANNA THROW OVER THE GOVERNEMENT AND JOIN THE PEACE CORPS AND GO OFF THE GRID AND RIPS EVERYONE'S FACE ON THE INTERNET AND BE HUMANITY'S SELF-APPOINTED MESSENGER AND AND...

Quit talking so big and so loud when we all know you're a fucking powerless loser.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:08:12 EDT (#)
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Looks like ETS is pretty in touch with the oversoul, and understands we are all conected. """

Ahahaha, I love how gets pissed for the slightest thing.

Then he expect us not to be irritated when he pulls out the most retarded stuff out of his ass:

"The authors of that site point to seizmic data to extend this time to 15 seconds, forgetting that seismic waves bounce and continue in duration through the ground even after a building has physically collapsed. It's just like an echo. If you scream at the top of your lungs in a canyon, the reverberations will continue long after you've physically stopped screaming."

"[Good question. The ONLY thing preventing Bush from completely taking over after such an event was the existence of Congress. IF a third plane indeed crashed in that field in Pennsylvania, it's safe to speculate it could have decapitated Congress, thus allowing Bush to declare complete and total marshall law in the United States. IF that plane crashed there in that field, and there was a conspiracy that day, it's safe to assume someone either didn't follow orders at NORAD and stand down, or the plane was shot down and a story of the heros aboard was fabricated to make movies during election years and spur further blind nationalist sentiment.]"

then...

"You assume I think Bush was behind 9/11. I didn't say that. I said someone in the government was. If Bush was in on it, which I think he was, he wasn't the mastermind by any means. Bush is a puppet, plain and simple. The good folks at Exxon and in the military industrial complex are the real policy makers here. Why? M.O.N.E.Y."

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:03:14 EDT (#)
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Not at this moment.

At this moment I am an animal and I want to taste blood.

If that stupid little shit were here, I'd rip his fucking face off and stomp on the back of his fucking neck till his limbs twitched uncontrollably and finally....stopped.

THEN we would be one.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 11:00:34 EDT (#)
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we need your expertise on this post http://www.ubersite.com/m/87424

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 10:59:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 10:40:27 (#)
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PS: You are the DUMBEST person I think I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with either in real life or on the internet. You NEVER think before you put your fingers on the goddamn keypad. It's people like you who give humans a bad name. I truly hate your fucking guts and hope your entire family dies horribly if only to prevent more people with your potential genes walking around the planet. Now, once and for all...FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU STUPID SNIVELING SHIT.

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Looks like ETS is pretty in touch with the oversoul, and understands we are all conected.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-02 10:59:26 EDT (#)
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PS: You are the DUMBEST person I think I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with either in real life or on the internet. You NEVER think before you put your fingers on the goddamn keypad. It's people like you who give humans a bad name. I truly hate your fucking guts and hope your entire family dies horribly if only to prevent more people with your potential genes walking around the planet. Now, once and for all...FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU STUPID SNIVELING SHIT. """

Mr.Ego having a conniption again?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 10:40:27 EDT (#)
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Wardy:

Here's your fucking answer asshole...

You know nothing about video and it shows. Video is composed of a series of photographs strung in a row to create the illusion of movement.

You also know nothing about vanishing points and movement.

An object at 100 yards of depth in a frame traveling at 500mph is going to appear to move at the same speed as an object 50 yards in the frame at 250mph, or 25 yards in the frame at 125mph...

It's like when you look out the side of a car into the distance, then look at the ground right next to the car. Which one appears to be moving by faster? You should have figured this shit out as a fucking child.

See my point.

Get the cameraman following the object in motion and this effect is further canceled out.

But this is all a moot fucking point considering I've seen the videos and the goddamn airplanes (at least the second one) are NOT BLURS.




PS: You are the DUMBEST person I think I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with either in real life or on the internet. You NEVER think before you put your fingers on the goddamn keypad. It's people like you who give humans a bad name. I truly hate your fucking guts and hope your entire family dies horribly if only to prevent more people with your potential genes walking around the planet. Now, once and for all...FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU STUPID SNIVELING SHIT.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:52:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:14:38 (#)
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Indon, I asked a chemist friend if he knew anything about thermite.

Turns out your calculations (and mine) are a complete waste of time.

No matter how much thermite you packed around the beam, you would have to perform multiple applications to get it done. A single cover of thermite would no-where near be enough.

And it doesn't matter how much thermite that first time is, because the majority woudln't get to it because of all the other thermite in the way.

So What ETS is claiming, is that 'they' set off the thermite from a distance, went back into the building, applied more, left, set it off again, repeat until collapse.
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Makes sense to me, that also solves the nasty problem of not being able to fit in all that thermite.

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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:31:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:02:48 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:45:43 (#)
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Beano: "Indoninja seems reasonable"

Look at yourselves! LOOK AT YOURSELVES! You're fucking PATHETIC! Stupid fucking humans and your cognitive dissonance.
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I hope he is pulling our legs, otherwise he is a lot more retarted than I previously thought...
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I fear he is serious.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:20:05 EDT (#)
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"[I can't ram anything down your throats. I am not so naive as to believe that I can change your mind, Caul...or Indo's mind...or Woody's mind...I'm more concerned about the casual user who is undecided on this issue not being swayed by all the parroted bullshit from the official story pundits without knowing what they're fighting against. If they don't know, they can't be informed. So, yes, I will debate with you and I will address all your attacks or questions to the best of my ability. Not for your sake, but for theirs.]"


Oh, right, he speaks for the silent majority.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-02 07:17:28 EDT (#)
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"NO ONE CARES ANYMORE, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!! GIVE IT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

BRAD, STOP, CAUL STOP. EVRYONE STOP TEH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

No, its fun.

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-02 06:27:36 (#)
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I'm happy to see you morons pull random facts, equations, and calculations from the internet. I bet you fucks couldn't graph a straight line.

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Right, using the internet destroys ones mathematical abilities, well known fact.



Indon, I asked a chemist friend if he knew anything about thermite.

Turns out your calculations (and mine) are a complete waste of time.

No matter how much thermite you packed around the beam, you would have to perform multiple applications to get it done. A single cover of thermite would no-where near be enough.

And it doesn't matter how much thermite that first time is, because the majority woudln't get to it because of all the other thermite in the way.

So What ETS is claiming, is that 'they' set off the thermite from a distance, went back into the building, applied more, left, set it off again, repeat until collapse.

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-02 06:27:36 EDT (#)
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I'm happy to see you morons pull random facts, equations, and calculations from the internet. I bet you fucks couldn't graph a straight line.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:24:09 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:17:14 (#)
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Ok I'm off.

You can't really ask me for the maths because even you would find it hard to argue with concepts such as 2+2=4

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I rest my case.

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*is confused*

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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-05-02 03:52:26 EDT (#)
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once again, you retards:

http://www.ubersite.com/m/86361

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Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2006-05-02 03:45:45 EDT (#)
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If you meet the buddha, kill the buddha
If you see the ETS, kill the ETS
Free of everything you are bound by nothing
Live the life that is given to you

That's buddhism for you, "I'm TELLING YOU to live your life for yourself!"

Dunno why i went on that tangent, put simply I dont really like you.

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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-05-02 02:41:15 EDT (#)
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Life is like a giant penis: When it's hard you get fucked,
when it's soft you can't beat it.



NO ONE CARES ANYMORE, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!! GIVE IT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

BRAD, STOP, CAUL STOP. EVRYONE STOP TEH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Whew!!! Sorry...........

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Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2006-05-02 02:12:00 EDT (#)
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shut the fuck up already

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Submitted by beer-turtle (user info) at 2006-05-02 01:55:49 EDT (#)
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welcome to zen and the truth of being...

we are nothing, we are everything, we are a perceiveed moment in time.

energy can not be destroyed only transformed

Matter is organized energy.

We are one, but part of all.

or maybe i'm just high...and it's alright.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-02 01:19:44 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1959495 -- so please answer this question and the one above it. i wouldn't think it should be that hard for you...

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 00:36:27 EDT (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/01/us.japan.military.ap/index.html

Well that only took....carry the 1........70 or so years. Must be the going rate for military conquest these days.

That means we'll be out of Iraq by 2073. HEY!!! Just in time for the U.S. tricentennial! I hear it's gonna be an awesome party. With flags and.....stuff...:|

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-02 00:13:43 EDT (#)
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I guess the same reason you might choose to make one.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 23:09:26 EDT (#)
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you're right, why would you actually respond with some sort of logic based argument?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 23:02:51 EDT (#)
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Go get punched in the face Wardy.


There's you fucking response.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 22:43:27 EDT (#)
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what a surprise, ets doesn't have a response...

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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-01 21:46:05 EDT (#)
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0 on 327. Heh.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:52:47 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87375#1959475 -- i really hope you don't consider this picture to be any sort of conclusive evidence...

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:36:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:01:50 (#)
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Bullshit. MANY of the things I have said are those that can be actively verified by simply purchasing a tape of the 9/11 disaster and seeing the actual footage in slow motion of the planes hitting the towers. Even a child can see those were not UA planes by the relief of the underbellies. A cursory comparison to an actual UA jet underbelly will show you this. You can see it for yourself. It's right in plain sight.

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i'm not an expert on video integrity, but i'm pretty sure if you slow down a close shot of a plane moving somewhere in the vicinity of 550 mph, it's going to look like a blur. my guess is you could extrapolate that it looks like anything from a commercial jet to a giant wad of jizzum from the lord jeebus himself.

but like i said, i'm not an expert on video integrity.



something tells me that you're not an expert on anything.

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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:25:10 EDT (#)
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Julie you are right about one thing. Who cares who is right or wrong.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:36:36 (#)
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Idiot. You just don't get it do you? This isn't about 5 years ago. This is history. Right now. We're living out history you moronic fucking COW. Men are still dying in Iraq. We're about to go to fucking war with Iran, and 9/11 is the catalyst of all this.
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People forget quickly so 9/11 has little do with Iran. Why would Europe be so uneasy about Iran either? They didn't have a 9/11 and your petro-dollar theory only benefits them.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEARCH FOR EVIL FORCES ALL THE TIME! THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY A VERY BORING PLACE!

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:16:30 EDT (#)
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Here is the math.


Grimmer is mistaken on a few places, but the biggest is his number for the specific heat of Fe being a constant. As you heat something up the specific heat goes up, so his numbers are lower than they should be.


http://www.physics911.ca/Grimmer:_Possible_Use_Of_Thermite_in_WTC

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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:15:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:36:36 (#)
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Idiot. You just don't get it do you? This isn't about 5 years ago. This is history. Right now. We're living out history you moronic fucking COW. Men are still dying in Iraq. We're about to go to fucking war with Iran, and 9/11 is the catalyst of all this.

Like I said before, this will happen again and again. This isn't some fucking car wreck with a drunk driver I'm trying to put behind bars. Pull your head out of your ass and see the world is round.
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And you think proving your little conspiracy theory and showing how we were all lied to will change any of this? EVERYONE KNOWS the war in Iraq is bullshit and it's based on lies but have you seen anything change? No, like you said, people are still dying over there. And please explain why you think proving what did or didn't happen on 9/11 will stop the war with Iran.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:13:34 EDT (#)
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The best on-line discussion resource found for these calculations was at Ref. (10). According to this source the inner core consisted of from 44 to 47 box columns (the exact number and layout is not known; the architectural firm had not released the construction drawings). The dimensions of the columns reduced in size with increasing height, changing to I-beams above the 85th floor. The above website article assumes (generously) that each core box column has the following (average) X-section: 12"wide x 36"deep x 2" thick.

If w = box column width, d = depth, and t = thickness, then the X-sectional steel area is given by

A = [d x t + (w-2 x t) x t] x 2. For d = 36", t = 2" and w = 12", then

A = [36" x 2" + (12"-2 x 2") x 2] x 2 = 176 in2 = 1.222 ft2.

Floor height was 12ft, so we choose for discussion sake, a 12' high box column in these calculations. Note that multiple floors could have had thermite-type compounds placed there. Also, no more than a foot portion, rather than a full 12 ft of column would be necessary to collapse that floor. Also, complete melt of a column portion is not necessary to cause collapse. So, per floor, per column there is a steel volume V = 12' x 1.222 ft2 = 14.67 ft3. Also, note that the internal X-sectional area of a box column is given by

Aint = [d-(2 x t)] x [w- (2 x t)], and the internal volume by Vint = 12' x [d - (2 x t)] x [w - (2 x t)].

Here, Vint = 12' x [36"-2 x 2"] x [12"- 2 x 2"]/(144 in2/ft2) = 12' x 1.778 ft2 = 21.333 ft3.

The internal volumes will be re-examined later as a possible space to place the thermite.

The website also mentions that the largest box columns used at the core bases had the dimensions of 16" wide x 36" deep x 4" thick. It is not known where exactly the molten steel, that puddled in the WTC basement, originated in the towers. The melt could have occurred some what higher in the columns (where "average" box columns would have been), or at the base where the "largest" box columns were. Molten material would flow down the various WTC shafts to the lowest point possible, 6 stories (some 72') below ground level. Applying the same formulae as above, we have for these "largest" columns, A= [36" x 4" + (16" - 2 x 4") x 4"] x 2 = 352 in2 = 2.444 ft2. Note that this happens to be twice the area as for the "average" box column assumed above. Again, for a 12' column, V = 12' x 2.444 ft2 = 29.328 ft3. Also, here, the internal volume is Vint = 12' x [36' - 2 x 4"] x [16' -2 x 4"]/144" = 18.667 ft3.

In summary, we have for a 12 ft. high core box-column, for a

12" wide x 36"deep x 2" wall thickness (hereafter referred to as an "average" box column), that it has 14.67 ft3 = 0.415 m3 volume of steel, and 21.33 ft3 = 0.604 m3 of internal volume; and

16" wide x 36" deep x 4" wall thickness (hereafter referred to as a "largest" box column), that it has 29.328 ft3 = 0.832 m3 of steel and 18.667 ft3 = 0.529 m3 of internal volume.

Sensible and Latent Heat Energies Needed for Melting a Core Column Section

Knowing the volume of steel involved, we next turn our attention to calculating the energy needed to melt a core column section. We decided to use values for the element iron rather than steel for the following pragmatic reasons:

steel is mostly iron (Fe);

whatever steel is chosen, may be the wrong kind and would be contested: Fe is a given and known quantity, whereas there are many steels;

Fe values found were readily available and reasonably self-consistent;

except for stainless steels, the thermal properties of steel are relatively close to Fe, although the mechanical properties may certainly differ more.

For Fe we will use the following values:

Density = 7874 kg/m3
Melting point = 1811 K = 1538 C
Specific heat = 25.1J/mol K = 449 J/kg K = 0.449 kJ/kg K
Latent heart of fusion = 13,800 J/mol = 2.47 x 10+5 J/kg
Latent heat of evaporation = 347,000 J/mol = 6.21 x 10+3 kJ/kg
mol = gm mole equivalent = 0.0558 kg for Fe

For a 12 ft high core Fe column, we have

for the "average" box column, 0.415 m3 x 7874 kg/m3 = 3267.71 kg Fe; and

for the "largest" box column, 0.832 m3 x 7874 kg/m3 = 6551.17 kg Fe.

Taking 300 K as "ambient" temperature on 9-11, then the temperature difference up to the melting point of Fe is given by

1811 K - 300 K = 1511 K (give or take a few degrees K).

Hence, the energy needed to raise a 12 ft high Fe column to its melting point temperature is given by

for an "average" column, 3267.71 kg x 1511 K x 0.449 kJ/kg K = 2.22 x 10+6 kJ; and

for a "largest" column, 6551.17 kg x 1511 K x 0.449 kJ/kg K = 4.44 x 10+6 kJ.

To actually melt the Fe at 1511 K, we need to provide the latent heat of fusion:

for "average" column, 3267.71 kg x 2.47 x 10+2 kJ/kg = 8.07 x 10+5 kJ; and

for "largest" column, 6551.17 kg x 2.47 x 10+2 kJ/kg = 1.62 x 10+6 kJ.

Thus we see that the sensible heat energies involved are almost a factor of 3 times larger than the latent heats.

Hence, for the total amount of energy needed to melt a 12 ft high Fe column, we need:

for "average" box column, (2.22 + 0.81) x 10+6 kJ = 3.03 x 10+6 kJ; and

for "largest" box column, (4.44 + 1.62) x 10+6 kJ = 6.06 x 10+6kJ

Energies of the Thermite Reaction

An iron oxide/aluminum "thermite" mixture consists of 23.7% Al, 74.7% Fe2O3 by weight, in the reaction

Fe2O3 + 2 Al => Al2O3 + 2 Fe + 849 kJ/mol.

Thus, 849 kJ of energy are released for every g-mole-equivalent (mol) of Fe2O3 that reacts with 2 mol of Al.

For Al, with a density of 2.699 g/cm3, there are 26.98 g/mol.

For Fe2O3, with a density of 5.24 g/cm3, there are 159.70 g/mol.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:12:55 EDT (#)
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So then, 159.70 g of Fe2O3 + 53.96 g of Al (213.66 g total) produces 849 kJ of energy, or 3.974 kJ/g = 3.974 x 10+3 kJ/kg (Note that this gives the proper % component mixtures by weight).

For an infinitesimally compacted powder mixture, this would occupy a volume of 159.70g x (cm3/5.24 g) + 53.96 g x (cm3/2.699 g) = (30.48 + 20.0) cm3 = 50.48 cm3.

A separate analysis of a CuO/Al thermite mixture (used to weld copper parts) indicates a powder packing fraction of 0.82 (82%) can be achieved. Let's assume a powder packing fraction of 0.82. Hence, our Fe2O3/Al thermite mixture would occupy not 50.48 cm3, but 61.5 cm3.

Thus the physical density of our densely-packed Fe2O3/Al thermite mixture is

213.66 g/61.5 cm3 = 3.474 g/cm3 = 3.474 x 10+6 g/m3 = 3.474 x 10+3 kg/m3,

and our energy density (per volume) is given by

849 kJ/61.5 cm3 = 13.805 kJ/cm3 = 1.3805 x 10+7 kJ/m3.

Thus to melt a 12 ft high Fe column, we need

for an "average" column, (3.03 x 10+6 kJ)/(3.974 x 10+3 kJ/kg) = 0.7625 x 10+3 kg = 762.5 kg of thermite. This would occupy a volume of 762.5 kg/(3.474 x 10+3 kg/m3) = 0.219 m3. Note that this volume of thermite is less than the internal volume Vint calculated earlier, 0.604 m3. Actually, the internal volume of the "average" box column could be filled with 0.604 m3/0.219 m3 = 2.76 times more than needed to do the job. Alternatively, the column does not require as high a packing density ( i.e. <0.82) and yet be able to load a sufficient charge of thermite mixture to cause melting

for a "largest" column, (6.06 x10+6 kJ)/(3.974 x 10+3 kJ/kg) = 1524.9 kg thermite. This would occupy a volume of 1524.9 kg/(3.974 x 10+3 kg/m3) = 0.439 m3. Note that this volume of thermFite also is less than the earlier calculated Vint = 0.529, but would require a moderately high packing density, approximately > 0.82 x 0.439/0.529 = 0.68.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 20:12:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:45:43 (#)
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Beano: "Indoninja seems reasonable"



Look at yourselves! LOOK AT YOURSELVES! You're fucking PATHETIC! Stupid fucking humans and your cognitive dissonance.
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I hope he is pulling our legs, otherwise he is a lot more retarted than I previously thought...
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I bet he's not. It's not the first time he dissociates himself from humans (because he's not one, he's above us) and goes into a nervous breakdown while doing so.

But hey, who cares...LARRY SILVERSTEIN SAID "PULL" OMG!

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Beano: "Indoninja seems reasonable"



Look at yourselves! LOOK AT YOURSELVES! You're fucking PATHETIC! Stupid fucking humans and your cognitive dissonance.
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I hope he is pulling our legs, otherwise he is a lot more retarted than I previously thought...

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:59:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:28:14 (#)
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As usualy, you ignored what I said:
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You haven't said anything that can be actually verified. Anything that is factual. And most importantly, you have not said anything that fits with the actual political reality this administration is stuck in.


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I didn't ignore anything you said. I responded to each and everything you said one at a time.


None of it's verifiable?

Silverstein didn't say "pull it"?

The Pentagon tapes weren't confiscated and hidden from the public???

The steel wasn't carted off to Asia???

The planes don't shoot something at the towers before impact as I've seen with my own two eyes in slow motion video???

The planes don't sport large 3-dimensional bulges on their undercarriages indicating they're NOT United Airlines jets?

What's that? We have photographs of the bodies of the victims of the plane crashes, or more detailed pictures of the crash sites themselves?

What's that? All this information is public now? Really!?!? So I've been crazy all this time when all I had to do was go to a website and order the information???

I'm sorry, my bad. Nothing I've said is factual or verifiable in the LEAST!
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YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Can't you read you're own fucking language? I never referred to that evidence except for saying it's been interpreted in thousand ways.

WHAT I SAID, ABOUT A HUNDRED TIMES, AND NOW READ CAREFULLY: YOUR PREMISE THAT THE GOVERNMENT DID IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE WITH REALITY.

Except for your lame comeback this afternoon about the 4th plane that was intended on the capitol so Bush could declare martial law, you still have not explained us why did they use such a COMPLICATED fucking plan that could've been simplier, a lot more effective and actually relate Iraq to the attacks. You have not explained why the government has not reitarate the attacks and relate them to Iraq when the support for war felt. Why in all its evil, is it not doing these simple things that could help it out? Why does Al Qaeda statements fit with the official version? Why, why, why, YOU HAVE NO IDEA! ALL YOU KEEP SPOUTING OFF IS THAT EVIDENCE BUT AGAIN, YOU USE IT TO PROVE A THEORY THAT YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN EVEN WITH SPECULATIONS! WAY TO GO, EINSTEIN!

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:46:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:30:33 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1958961 -- i can't believe nobody found this review to be hilarious...
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this guy is the master of logical fallacy.

His arguing on secondary arguments but he completly fails to explain why is theory exists in the 1st place. I suppose it's really important to nitpick on how WTC-7 collapsed when you can't explain why the government would do it.

"Um, uh, the government did it Bush wanted to dictate the world, but like it failed because the 4th plane didn't reach the Capitol so Bush just decided to ride the fear wave but it didn't work either because of free speech and bush didn't taught of that, so you know, Bush is really kinda like a puppet you know? It's Exxon and the guys with money who did it...so yeah, that's why the government did it."

That's basically what he came up with. You could tell he was making that shit up as he went along.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:42:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:28:14 (#)
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As usualy, you ignored what I said:
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You haven't said anything that can be actually verified. Anything that is factual. And most importantly, you have not said anything that fits with the actual political reality this administration is stuck in.


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I didn't ignore anything you said. I responded to each and everything you said one at a time.


None of it's verifiable?

Silverstein didn't say "pull it"?

The Pentagon tapes weren't confiscated and hidden from the public???

The steel wasn't carted off to Asia???

The planes don't shoot something at the towers before impact as I've seen with my own two eyes in slow motion video???

The planes don't sport large 3-dimensional bulges on their undercarriages indicating they're NOT United Airlines jets?

What's that? We have photographs of the bodies of the victims of the plane crashes, or more detailed pictures of the crash sites themselves?

What's that? All this information is public now? Really!?!? So I've been crazy all this time when all I had to do was go to a website and order the information???

I'm sorry, my bad. Nothing I've said is factual or verifiable in the LEAST!

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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:41:02 EDT (#)
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Because the World is round it turns me on. . .

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:36:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:26:28 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:01:50 (#)
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[My conclusion is a personal one based on the empirical facts...facts that I have seen with my own eyes. Until the government allows another investigation and presents NEW facts to counter my serious questions, or releases ALL the evidence it has on 9/11, I will not be convinced by the official story, because to me it does not hold up to scrutiny.]
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Hahahaha! Do you honestly think they'd do another investigation just to change some unimportant loser's mind? They don't care what you think and even if you are right about any of this, it wouldn't matter because 1) no one but your mother and your internet girlfriend will ever listen to you when you're a big, insane nobody sitting at a computer in the middle of nowhere and 2) this happened 5 YEARS AGO and nothing you say or do can change the past and bring back all the people who died.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor and shut the fuck up about this.

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Idiot. You just don't get it do you? This isn't about 5 years ago. This is history. Right now. We're living out history you moronic fucking COW. Men are still dying in Iraq. We're about to go to fucking war with Iran, and 9/11 is the catalyst of all this.

Like I said before, this will happen again and again. This isn't some fucking car wreck with a drunk driver I'm trying to put behind bars. Pull your head out of your ass and see the world is round.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:30:33 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1958961 -- i can't believe nobody found this review to be hilarious...

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:28:14 EDT (#)
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As usualy, you ignored what I said:
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You haven't said anything that can be actually verified. Anything that is factual. And most importantly, you have not said anything that fits with the actual political reality this administration is stuck in.

[Bullshit. MANY of the things I have said are those that can be actively verified by simply purchasing a tape of the 9/11 disaster and seeing the actual footage in slow motion of the planes hitting the towers. Even a child can see those were not UA planes by the relief of the underbellies. A cursory comparison to an actual UA jet underbelly will show you this. You can see it for yourself. It's right in plain sight. Furthermore, if you slow the footage down, you can see, in both instances, some sort of insindiary device is shot at the tower just before impact. It's undeniable and, again, it's concrete, empirical evidence. The fact that I've never seen any pictures of bodies or wreckage from either of the two other sites, Pentagon and Pennsylvania, is yet another gaping hole in the official story. For, if we are to believe the official story, we should also be wont to believe that news coverage, the kind that exhaustively covers all such plane crashes, would show the exact same sort of wreckage that we see in them. But where was that coverage? Where was the media? And what about building 7? Despite the official story that jet fuel caused the main towers to collapse straight down on themselves by weakening due to fire and subsequent pancaking of the floors, none of that applies to building 7. Add in Silverstein's little "pull it" slip up, which is, again, EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, and things really start coming together. On top of that, for shits and giggles, let's throw in the Northwoods document, which gives clear instructions on how to attack our own civilian and military targets and pin it on a foreign power, and you can see why I'd suspect the US government. We have the most powerful military in the fucking world and you mean to tell me they couldn't pull something like this off?]
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What you call "empirical evidence" has been interpreted A THOUSAND WAYS.

But you still ignored the part where I said you haven't been able to fit your theory in the context of reality. Your theory that the government did it to become all powerful doesn't fit with reality at all. It doesn't.
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[You know I'm not doing that. You KNOW it. I just left you a whole shitload of reviews offering a perspective why the government might be responsible for such an act. That little comment is not going to fly, Caul, because you KNOW it's wrong.]"""

You did do that. I even summed it up in my review but you left it out, classic ETS style.

"All you did is make up some stuff that barely held together in the same paragraph. You actually said that the plane was headed for the capitol and supposed to decapitate congress to give Bush full power. Then you said it didn't work so Bush decided to ride the patriotic wave. But that he can't control freedom of speech so his ratings are plummeting. Then you went on a different tangent saying it's the military industrials and other people with money that staged this. And so on... "

That's just the product of your imaginination and makes no fucking sense with REALITY.

Your governenment would not have to use such a complex plan that would involve way too much people. Your government has gained little power from this. And it has not reitiarate the feat to reboost its faltering support. Al Qaeda's version would not corroborate with the Bush administration. The list is fucking endless...YOUR THEORY THAT THE GOVERNMENT DID IT MAKES NO SENSE, ONLY THE TECHNICALITIES YOU FOCUS ON DO.

The point is, you can say you have empirical evidence as much as you want but if your premise doesn't makes sense, what the fuck are you arguing about in the 1st place?

Why is it so hard to understand?
Why must you be so fucking retarded?

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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:26:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:01:50 (#)
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[My conclusion is a personal one based on the empirical facts...facts that I have seen with my own eyes. Until the government allows another investigation and presents NEW facts to counter my serious questions, or releases ALL the evidence it has on 9/11, I will not be convinced by the official story, because to me it does not hold up to scrutiny.]
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Hahahaha! Do you honestly think they'd do another investigation just to change some unimportant loser's mind? They don't care what you think and even if you are right about any of this, it wouldn't matter because 1) no one but your mother and your internet girlfriend will ever listen to you when you're a big, insane nobody sitting at a computer in the middle of nowhere and 2) this happened 5 YEARS AGO and nothing you say or do can change the past and bring back all the people who died.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor and shut the fuck up about this.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:05:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:40:00 (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:33:48 (#)
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apparently, somebody just smoked a HUGE bowl of da 'erb before posting this.
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If by "'erb" you mean "insanity," then yes.

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Yea, well, I was pretty drunk when I wrote this post. And I was in a weird mood.

As for the reviews, at least today's reviews, I am perfectly clear in what I'm saying.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:02:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:41:57 (#)
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PEFECT CASE OF ETS IGNORING ENTIRE REPLIES AND SELECTING WHAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE AN ASS!

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Perfect example of Caul not giving me a chance to reply to the whole thing.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 19:01:50 EDT (#)
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How is this poorly made-up conclusion, which is based on nothing but disparate technicalities (WT7, Silverstein, Pentagon...etc) that have been interpreted a THOUSAND ways, any more valid than the official one?

[My conclusion is a personal one based on the empirical facts...facts that I have seen with my own eyes. Until the government allows another investigation and presents NEW facts to counter my serious questions, or releases ALL the evidence it has on 9/11, I will not be convinced by the official story, because to me it does not hold up to scrutiny.]



You haven't said anything that can be actually verified. Anything that is factual. And most importantly, you have not said anything that fits with the actual political reality this administration is stuck in.

[Bullshit. MANY of the things I have said are those that can be actively verified by simply purchasing a tape of the 9/11 disaster and seeing the actual footage in slow motion of the planes hitting the towers. Even a child can see those were not UA planes by the relief of the underbellies. A cursory comparison to an actual UA jet underbelly will show you this. You can see it for yourself. It's right in plain sight. Furthermore, if you slow the footage down, you can see, in both instances, some sort of insindiary device is shot at the tower just before impact. It's undeniable and, again, it's concrete, empirical evidence. The fact that I've never seen any pictures of bodies or wreckage from either of the two other sites, Pentagon and Pennsylvania, is yet another gaping hole in the official story. For, if we are to believe the official story, we should also be wont to believe that news coverage, the kind that exhaustively covers all such plane crashes, would show the exact same sort of wreckage that we see in them. But where was that coverage? Where was the media? And what about building 7? Despite the official story that jet fuel caused the main towers to collapse straight down on themselves by weakening due to fire and subsequent pancaking of the floors, none of that applies to building 7. Add in Silverstein's little "pull it" slip up, which is, again, EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, and things really start coming together. On top of that, for shits and giggles, let's throw in the Northwoods document, which gives clear instructions on how to attack our own civilian and military targets and pin it on a foreign power, and you can see why I'd suspect the US government. We have the most powerful military in the fucking world and you mean to tell me they couldn't pull something like this off?

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I'm not saying it's wrong to be suspicious and asks questions. It's good to have interrogations and in that case, I admit there is conflicting information.

[Thank you for that, at least, if nothing else.]



But that doesn't mean you have to jump to conclusions. My problem with you is that you made a HUGE FUCKING LEAP and immidiatly drew the conclusion that the government pulled this off, when there could be billions of other possibilities.

[I'm not jumping to conclusions on anything that's not entirely based on the above-mentioned empirical evidence. Hence the reason I am resisting playing your game of speculation as to 'why' as much as possible.]



You obviously have no idea how argumentation and/or logical thought process works. On top of that, you try to cram these sketchy theories down our throats.

[I can't ram anything down your throats. I am not so naive as to believe that I can change your mind, Caul...or Indo's mind...or Woody's mind...I'm more concerned about the casual user who is undecided on this issue not being swayed by all the parroted bullshit from the official story pundits without knowing what they're fighting against. If they don't know, they can't be informed. So, yes, I will debate with you and I will address all your attacks or questions to the best of my ability. Not for your sake, but for theirs.]



If you want people to believe your theory, at least make it look plausible and CONTEXTUAL. Just saying "IT'S THE GOVERNMENT!" and insult them is not gonna work.

[You know I'm not doing that. You KNOW it. I just left you a whole shitload of reviews offering a perspective why the government might be responsible for such an act. That little comment is not going to fly, Caul, because you KNOW it's wrong.]

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:41:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:37:53 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:37:09 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:30:38 (#)
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you must answer that to ETS: http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1959229

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I'm not going to answer your rephrased questions with another rephrased answer. I adressed everything you said in that review IN FULL on three separate occasions AT LEAST before you posted that review.
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No you have not, and you know it. You cannot fit your theory within the context of reality, that's your problem.

You can only try to speculate about why the government wuold've done this. About why they have the lowest approval rating ever when it was suppose to gain them support. About why there hasn't been any more attacks to revive that Fear Control you speak of.

You haven't give me a simple straightforward answer to my simple questions.

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You're asking the WRONG questions.

You want Bush and Co to create more terrorist attacks, thereby undermining their assertion that they are tough and effective on terror? No sir.

Anyway, I'm not as concerned as speculating about the 'why' until you see the objective evidence supporting the conspiracy itself. Only when we have acknowledged the conspiracy will I move on to speculating why. Right now, I just want an investigation reopened. Until then, all the 'whys' in the world are only going to further muddle the point, which is, the overwhelming empirical evidence points to a government coverup and probable collusion.
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PEFECT CASE OF ETS IGNORING ENTIRE REPLIES AND SELECTING WHAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE AN ASS!

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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:40:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:33:48 (#)
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apparently, somebody just smoked a HUGE bowl of da 'erb before posting this.
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If by "'erb" you mean "insanity," then yes.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:37:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:37:09 (#)
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you must answer that to ETS: http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1959229

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I'm not going to answer your rephrased questions with another rephrased answer. I adressed everything you said in that review IN FULL on three separate occasions AT LEAST before you posted that review.
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No you have not, and you know it. You cannot fit your theory within the context of reality, that's your problem.

You can only try to speculate about why the government wuold've done this. About why they have the lowest approval rating ever when it was suppose to gain them support. About why there hasn't been any more attacks to revive that Fear Control you speak of.

You haven't give me a simple straightforward answer to my simple questions.

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You're asking the WRONG questions.

You want Bush and Co to create more terrorist attacks, thereby undermining their assertion that they are tough and effective on terror? No sir.

Anyway, I'm not as concerned as speculating about the 'why' until you see the objective evidence supporting the conspiracy itself. Only when we have acknowledged the conspiracy will I move on to speculating why. Right now, I just want an investigation reopened. Until then, all the 'whys' in the world are only going to further muddle the point, which is, the overwhelming empirical evidence points to a government coverup and probable collusion.

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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:33:48 EDT (#)
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apparently, somebody just smoked a HUGE bowl of da 'erb before posting this.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:32:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:05:33 (#)
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"Oh really? And pray tell where you came by this information considering the blueprints have been off limits to the public?"


They're fucking RIVETS for petes sake. The clue is in the name. The RIVETS were RIVETING the concrete to the steel.

In what way did you think they rivets were sticking out of a wall doing nothing?

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Rivets are also used to rivet to other steel.

How much thermite would you say it would take to sever a single I-beam out of curiousity.

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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:29:04 EDT (#)
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I think the government did it.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:26:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:37:09 (#)
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you must answer that to ETS: http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1959229

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I'm not going to answer your rephrased questions with another rephrased answer. I adressed everything you said in that review IN FULL on three separate occasions AT LEAST before you posted that review.
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No you have not, and you know it. You cannot fit your theory within the context of reality, that's your problem.

You can only try to speculate about why the government wuold've done this. About why they have the lowest approval rating ever when it was suppose to gain them support. About why there hasn't been any more attacks to revive that Fear Control you speak of.

You haven't give me a simple straightforward answer to my simple questions.

All you did is make up some stuff that barely held together in the same paragraph. You actually said that the plane was headed for the capitol and supposed to decapitate congress to give Bush full power. Then you said it didn't work so Bush decided to ride the patriotic wave. But that he can't control freedom of speech so his ratings are plummeting. Then you went on a different tangent saying it's the military industrials and other people with money that staged this. And so on...

How is this poorly made-up conclusion, which is based on nothing but disparate technicalities (WT7, Silverstein, Pentagon...etc) that have been interpreted a THOUSAND ways, any more valid than the official one?

You haven't said anything that can be actually verified. Anything that is factual. And most importantly, you have not said anything that fits with the actual political reality this administration is stuck in.

I'm not saying it's wrong to be suspicious and asks questions. It's good to have interrogations and in that case, I admit there is conflicting information.

But that doesn't mean you have to jump to conclusions. My problem with you is that you made a HUGE FUCKING LEAP and immidiatly drew the conclusion that the government pulled this off, when there could be billions of other possibilities.

You obviously have no idea how argumentation and/or logical thought process works. On top of that, you try to cram these sketchy theories down our throats.

If you want people to believe your theory, at least make it look plausible and CONTEXTUAL. Just saying "IT'S THE GOVERNMENT!" and insult them is not gonna work.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:24:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:17:14 (#)
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Ok I'm off.

You can't really ask me for the maths because even you would find it hard to argue with concepts such as 2+2=4

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I rest my case.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:20:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:44:05 (#)
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From the planes? You're joking right? You can't honestly believe that they could find a body in the aftermath of a plane crashing into something at over 550 mph?

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Does anyone else want to take this one or should I?

Ok, I will.

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&client=firefox-
a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=plane+crash+bodies&btnG=Search

(You'll have to recombine the link and paste it into the browser because it's too long)

Plus, the State Department said in that link I left below that 100 forensic investigators were brought in for the task of collecting bodies. Seems to me they're saying there were bodies, or at least body parts that were identifiable as being those from the passengers of flight 77.

I haven't seen a single fucking picture of a body, and I have only ever seen ONE picture of the hundreds of pictures from the Pentagon of plane wreckage... ONE. And that was just one small part of what we were told was from an engine.

Again...why did the FBI confiscate the videotapes from the surrounding security cameras? From the hotel? From the gas station? From the Pentagon itself? They had cameras on the roof which should have pictured the plane coming, but they haven't been released either...why?

Why have we still not seen those? Surely those can be no more disturbing than the other shit we've seen, and if they were just terrorists that did it, the videos should support the government's case, right?


RELEASE THE EVIDENCE! (The evidence that's left, that is)

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:17:14 EDT (#)
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Ok I'm off.

You can't really ask me for the maths because even you would find it hard to argue with concepts such as 2+2=4

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:12:49 EDT (#)
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Hellooooooooooooooooooo?

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:07:00 EDT (#)
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Just give me the list and I'll come back some other time.

Also include what YOU define as compromising the structural integrity.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:05:33 EDT (#)
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"Oh really? And pray tell where you came by this information considering the blueprints have been off limits to the public?"


They're fucking RIVETS for petes sake. The clue is in the name. The RIVETS were RIVETING the concrete to the steel.

In what way did you think they rivets were sticking out of a wall doing nothing?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 18:03:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:40:04 (#)
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"If you just take out the rivets you don't need that much fucking thermite. That's what I'm trying to build Woody, here, up to acknowledging. It's slow going"


This is stupid.


no you would not need 2900Kg to compromise the structural integrity of a rivet.


But that doesn't mean shit. The rivets, as you might expect, were attacthing the steel to the concrete. they weren't hanging free in space, they wereimbedded in steel and concteete.


Get it?

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Oh really? And pray tell where you came by this information considering the blueprints have been off limits to the public?

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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:58:46 EDT (#)
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Guys, its ok, I won, chill out.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:48:26 EDT (#)
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What maths are you looking for exactly?

reply specifying which of the following (I've closed those pages and Its late I might not reply until tomorow, I'm sure you'll still be here though)

the heat conduction of Stainles steel

the heat conduction of conctrete (I put the ratio at 75%conctrete to 25% steel btw do you accept this?)

the calculation of the size of the beam

the calculation of the space available

the calculation for the energy required to compromise given amount of steel

the amount of energy dissapated in the time for a thermite reaction through the steel and concrete

the amount of thermite needed to generate (the energy required to compromise the steel + the amount of energy disappated)

the space taken up by this amount of thermite.


I will, if you tell me what you want, do accurate calculations tommorow, for a figure you can't find fault with.


If you wanted to help you could provide me with:

the makeup of the beams (pure steel or alloy? what alloy?)

the conctrete to steel surface area ratio.

the specific chemical used (are we actually talking thermite here or something else with similar uses?)

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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:44:05 EDT (#)
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Funny that all these different levels of government should find it necessary to try and debunk these theories, yet they can't offer us a SINGLE picture of bodies at the Pentagon, or aircraft rubble in Pennsylvania, or let a investigators and scientists have access to the WTC steel.


Tell me, people, when's the last time you saw one photograph of a body from one of those planes? They claim this as irrefutable proof. They CLAIM that over 100 forensic investigators were brought in to examine the bodies from the Pentagon crash, but where are these people? Who are they? Where are their reports? And where are photographs...nay...where are the bodies themselves? In fact, where is the aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon? Where are the tapes of the security cameras?

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From the planes? You're joking right? You can't honestly believe that they could find a body in the aftermath of a plane crashing into something at over 550 mph?

I saw video of people being pulled out of the Pentagon after the crash up until it's collapse. After that, there may not have been any "bodies" left. And why do you want to see pictures of the dead bodies? Why would anyone?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:43:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:37:34 (#)
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ETS would make a good politician; he talks a lot without actually saying anything. Come to think of it, all of you do...In case you haven't noticed, you're not getting any closer to the truth, so you might as well shut your pie holes or put some pie in them.

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I disagree, I think I've said a lot and actually made a little headway with some people after repeatedly drilling the facts into their skulls.

I'd really prefer that someone who is interested in learning about the 9/11 conspiracy 'theory' (which, if true, is one of the most important issues of our time) watch the following videos:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8253755118698983122&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5714975155113419363&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&q=9%2F11&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4429289437231286745&q=9%2F11


Then, if you still have questions and aren't pissed off enough to research them for yourself, feel free to ask me. If I don't know the answer, I'll try to help you find one.

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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:41:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:33:33 (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:29:25 (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:22:12 (#)
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No Julie, just fuck the groom, that should take care of things
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But he's ugly, fat, and like 10 years older than me.

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So are you.....what's the problem?

<ducks>
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Oh Method, you're so sweet. I'm not fat and ugly is a matter of personal opinion I suppose. How am I 10 years older than myself?

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:40:04 EDT (#)
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"If you just take out the rivets you don't need that much fucking thermite. That's what I'm trying to build Woody, here, up to acknowledging. It's slow going"


This is stupid.


no you would not need 2900Kg to compromise the structural integrity of a rivet.


But that doesn't mean shit. The rivets, as you might expect, were attacthing the steel to the concrete. they weren't hanging free in space, they wereimbedded in steel and concteete.


Get it?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:39:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:34:04 (#)
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Sigh.


that is for one of the larger beams.

Its based on a number of things including the conductivity of steel and conctrete (I erred vastly in favour of you becuase I didn't know the exact makeup of the steel.

the volume available is 0.531 M3 (near enough), which is enough for only 1845 KG of thermite (near enough)

I beleive the beams were around 15ft3

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Do the math right here in a review so I can see it. Don't just 'tell' me, SHOW me.

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Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:37:34 EDT (#)
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ETS would make a good politician; he talks a lot without actually saying anything. Come to think of it, all of you do...In case you haven't noticed, you're not getting any closer to the truth, so you might as well shut your pie holes or put some pie in them.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:37:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:30:38 (#)
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you must answer that to ETS: http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1959229

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I'm not going to answer your rephrased questions with another rephrased answer. I adressed everything you said in that review IN FULL on three separate occasions AT LEAST before you posted that review.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:34:04 EDT (#)
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Sigh.


that is for one of the larger beams.

Its based on a number of things including the conductivity of steel and conctrete (I erred vastly in favour of you becuase I didn't know the exact makeup of the steel.

the volume available is 0.531 M3 (near enough), which is enough for only 1845 KG of thermite (near enough)

I beleive the beams were around 15ft3

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:33:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:29:25 (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:22:12 (#)
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No Julie, just fuck the groom, that should take care of things
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But he's ugly, fat, and like 10 years older than me.

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So are you.....what's the problem?

<ducks>

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:33:13 EDT (#)
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plug them holes boyo!

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:32:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:26:12 (#)
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the space thing. You could just put it (thermite) in a pot or something about the beam. It would be pretty damn hard to guide the flow right down the center though without some sort of steel crucible above the beam. and that would weigh about 200 lbs or more.

In conclusion, based on my experience with thermite: The rig you would need to cut an I-beam with thermite would weigh around 220lbs, and you would probably have to do it more than once. Rarely three times though. However it is possible.

Look up thermite on google video, there is tons of footage if your interested.

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If you just take out the rivets you don't need that much fucking thermite. That's what I'm trying to build Woody, here, up to acknowledging. It's slow going.

To don't have to incenerate the whole damned I-beam to compromise the floor's structural integrity, you just have to take out the rivets that attach it to the rest of the structure.

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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:31:45 EDT (#)
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I say they didn't take the building down, cause why would they? I mean, everyone knows something like that was going to happen eventually. I'm not even saying that they just bided their time till someone did their dirty work eighter, I'm just saying if that was their goal thats how they would have done it.

I will say though, they certainly acted fast in using that horrible event to their own personal and political advantage. That's the most disicable part as far as I'm concerned.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:30:38 EDT (#)
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you must answer that to ETS: http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1959229

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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:29:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:22:12 (#)
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No Julie, just fuck the groom, that should take care of things
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But he's ugly, fat, and like 10 years older than me.

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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:29:14 EDT (#)
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2900 is a bit high for just the I-beam but for concrete... probably over 1000. Concrete is approaching ceramic in latent heat capacity. Its probably not even half, but still. You would need a RIDICULOUS amount for cement.

Most large commercial I-beams are the same size. Steel and inch or more thick atleast. 2 feet or more high, and 8" or more wide. I don't think the heat to melt the steel would be the problem though, its trying to get it to melt onto the right stuff.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:28:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:58:46 (#)
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No no no... you still didn't answer my fucking question. When's the last time you handled thermite and used it to sever the rivets on an I-beam of steel?

Do you even know how big the rivets are on an I-beam of industrial steel or how much thermite it would require to weaken its grasp on a slab of concrete?
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Answer your own question ETS. When's the last time YOU did it?

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I say right now I never read below about what you guys are talking about with respect to thermite. All I can say is look up thermite in google video. You would probably need 5 to 10 pounds of the stuff to melt through a big I-beam though. I hope someone isn't saying this regarding 911, cause that's retarded. I'm quite left wing, and you crazy conspiracy theorists make us look bad.

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Watch these videos and then say that:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8253755118698983122&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5714975155113419363&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&q=9%2F11&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4429289437231286745&q=9%2F11


Until you do, you don't even know what's going on.

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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:26:12 EDT (#)
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the space thing. You could just put it (thermite) in a pot or something about the beam. It would be pretty damn hard to guide the flow right down the center though without some sort of steel crucible above the beam. and that would weigh about 200 lbs or more.

In conclusion, based on my experience with thermite: The rig you would need to cut an I-beam with thermite would weigh around 220lbs, and you would probably have to do it more than once. Rarely three times though. However it is possible.

Look up thermite on google video, there is tons of footage if your interested.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:25:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:06:47 (#)
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I have come up with an estimate of about 2900 KG for each one.

It is only a very rough estimate, I do not know, for instance the exact make up of the concrete or the alloy of the steel, but I'm confident that my margin for error is not enough to allow your theory

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Based on what? What are you basing these numbers on? How much volume do 2900kg take up? Is that for the whole building or one fucking I-beam?

Again, do you know the size of an I-beam?

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Submitted by jimmiss (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:22:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:14:24 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:58:46 (#)
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No no no... you still didn't answer my fucking question. When's the last time you handled thermite and used it to sever the rivets on an I-beam of steel?

Do you even know how big the rivets are on an I-beam of industrial steel or how much thermite it would require to weaken its grasp on a slab of concrete?
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Answer your own question ETS. When's the last time YOU did it?

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I say right now I never read below about what you guys are talking about with respect to thermite. All I can say is look up thermite in google video. You would probably need 5 to 10 pounds of the stuff to melt through a big I-beam though. I hope someone isn't saying this regarding 911, cause that's retarded. I'm quite left wing, and you crazy conspiracy theorists make us look bad.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:22:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:09:06 (#)
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I have explosive diarrhea. = (
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I bet Method was part of the coverup and this is a coded message to tell us something about the government

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:22:12 EDT (#)
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No Julie, just fuck the groom, that should take care of things

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:21:13 EDT (#)
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Ahem.

Your theory is physically impossible.

Please reply.

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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:17:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:09:06 (#)
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I have explosive diarrhea. = (
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Yeah, well I just found out I have to be a bridesmaid. Is it wrong of me to hope they have a huge fight and call off the wedding so I don't have to do it?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:15:23 EDT (#)
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Nice job, Indoninja, of corroborating the official story from the State Department even when the term "pull it" cannot possibly mean "pull the contingent of firefighters".

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html

Why would someone not simply say "get them out" or "pull them out"?

What's with all this "it" shit, unless it means exactly what the demolition term means, which is "bring that fucking building down with explosives"?

Funny that all these different levels of government should find it necessary to try and debunk these theories, yet they can't offer us a SINGLE picture of bodies at the Pentagon, or aircraft rubble in Pennsylvania, or let a investigators and scientists have access to the WTC steel.


Tell me, people, when's the last time you saw one photograph of a body from one of those planes? They claim this as irrefutable proof. They CLAIM that over 100 forensic investigators were brought in to examine the bodies from the Pentagon crash, but where are these people? Who are they? Where are their reports? And where are photographs...nay...where are the bodies themselves? In fact, where is the aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon? Where are the tapes of the security cameras?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:58:46 (#)
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No no no... you still didn't answer my fucking question. When's the last time you handled thermite and used it to sever the rivets on an I-beam of steel?

Do you even know how big the rivets are on an I-beam of industrial steel or how much thermite it would require to weaken its grasp on a slab of concrete?
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Answer your own question ETS. When's the last time YOU did it?

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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:11:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:30:33 (#)
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Do you really consider the US government to be a dictatorship/cult?

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I think the American sense of patriotism is the same as the sense of blind loyalty cult members feel toward their leaders.

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Whose sense of blind patriotism? I don't know what Americans you hang around with, but people don't feel like the government is doing too well around me.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:09:06 EDT (#)
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I have explosive diarrhea. = (

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:06:47 EDT (#)
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I have come up with an estimate of about 2900 KG for each one.

It is only a very rough estimate, I do not know, for instance the exact make up of the concrete or the alloy of the steel, but I'm confident that my margin for error is not enough to allow your theory

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:05:40 EDT (#)
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p.s. you have not provided an answer to my very simple question. why such a complex plan?

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Because OBVIOUSLY it's believable to 99% of the idiots on this god-forsaken planet.
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That's your argument? All your theory is based on THIS?!


Your interrogations about WTC7 and silverstein and whatnot may make some sense BUT YOUR THEORY IS FULL OF HOLES!!!

Drugs addicts and logical reasoning do not go along very well.

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No one said my 'entire theory' was based on what I said right there. I was just responding to your over-simplified and speculative question as to why the conspirators didn't choose another simpler method. I said well below that on 3 separate occasions that it had to be something that the average person could believe could be pulled off by 'terrorists' and it had to be something big enough to ensure their goals were achieved. Again, you're asking me to speculate on what someone is thinking. I can only do that so much.
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It makes absolutely no sense that conspirators would use a plan so complex that would involve so much people when any other option could have the same results and could be blamed on terrorists. Further more, it makes no sense that similar self-inflicted attacks didn't occur again considering the faltering support for war (and as you said, war is the motive).

You're arguing the details when you can't even answer the "why's" of your theory. Why this particular ridiculously complex option? Why hasn't it occur again? If the administration is so evil and smart, why does its approval rating sinking so low?

Your premise that the government pulled this off makes very little sense yet you are nitpicking about technical details. I could very well find disparate facts that it's Santa Claus slay that hit the towers and actually have a decent arguement with you. But for that, you'd have to ignore the fact that my initial thesis is complety retarded and implausible. They teach you not to do that in the 1st page of philosphy 101. As a genius, I'm suprised you don't know that.

So far, the only explanation you gave me was purely speculatives (like you said) and had zero facts to back them up. And no, this explanation you gave me was not factual "Dude, it's like the Reishtag fire man...and like Bush wanted to become like Hitler but someone at Norad fucked up so flight 93, liked missed the Capitol and shit so Bush decided to ride the patriotic wave so he could like go to war to serve the people with money, you know?"

That's the huge gaping holes I'm referring to.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 17:02:37 EDT (#)
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Do you even know how big the rivets are on an I-beam of industrial steel or how much thermite it would require to weaken its grasp on a slab of concrete?

I can't give you an exact figure.


You can't give me an exact figure for how far away the sun is (without looking it up of coures)

But your basic scientific knowledge (not that you appear to have any of that) would tell you, for instance that it is more than 1000 miles.

I don't fuckin know how much thermite you would need to shove in the gap to collapse the building but I know its easily more than you could fit.

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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:57:03 (#)
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Is it wrong of me to want "Stupid fucking humans and your cognitive dissonance." on a t-shirt?

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Heh. Stop reading my mind.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:58:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:49:37 (#)
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According to 1.the amount of thermite it would take

(If you weant to find different figures, go ahead, but be sure to provide a source)

2. the space available.


Its pretty simple really

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No no no... you still didn't answer my fucking question. When's the last time you handled thermite and used it to sever the rivets on an I-beam of steel?

Do you even know how big the rivets are on an I-beam of industrial steel or how much thermite it would require to weaken its grasp on a slab of concrete?

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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:57:03 EDT (#)
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Is it wrong of me to want "Stupid fucking humans and your cognitive dissonance." on a t-shirt?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:56:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:40:47 (#)
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I have given you an alternate explination a hundred fucking times. I have linked to it at least a dozen times. "Pull it" in firemen terms is to pull out, take all your people out and let it burn.

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You guys are still talking about the 9/11 conspiracy?

I saw a 4hr long special on the Nat. Geo. channel yesterday covering the events that led up, and the actual attacks in a timeline format. It was very chilling. They had a lot of footage that I hadn't seen before.

In one such shot, they showed the first tower collapse from a vantage point that showed the #7 building in the shot. When the tower had collapsed almost 2/3rd of the way down, it started to lean and fall on the 7th building. From the looks of it, I don't know how the building was able to even withstand the first collapse.

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Impossible. Building 7 was on the opposite side of the complex than the twin towers. I'm not saying it wasn't hit by debris, but it wouldn't have been any more severe than the other buildings CLOSER to the towers that did NOT collapse.

Tell me how the buildings closer to the towers survived when, by all observable evidence on film and by the government's own official story, the buildings came straight down.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:49:37 EDT (#)
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According to 1.the amount of thermite it would take

(If you weant to find different figures, go ahead, but be sure to provide a source)

2. the space available.


Its pretty simple really

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:46:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:45:34 (#)
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1. It is not possible to fit the thermite inside the elevator shaft and still have it working.

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According to who?

When's the last time you used thermite to sever the rivets in an I-beam?

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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:46:52 EDT (#)
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ETS, please just shut the fuck up.

This part did make me laugh though:

"'Genius' and 'paranoid schizophrenia' are but two different perspectives of the same general misconception: that ultimate truth is out of our grasp."

It figures you'd say something like that.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:45:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:35:16 (#)
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[Ok, so "it" can be used to describe a group of men now....INTERESTING]


No. It refers to the building.


Pull the building.

Pull the building to a demolition man, means demolish it.

Pull the building to a fire man, means get your people out of it/ away from the collapse area.


Are you saying that the phrase 'pull it' isn't fireman lingo for that?

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Yes I am. That's fucking ludicrous. The GRAMMAR of his statement is wrong if that's the case.



Beano: "Indoninja seems reasonable"



Look at yourselves! LOOK AT YOURSELVES! You're fucking PATHETIC! Stupid fucking humans and your cognitive dissonance.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:45:34 EDT (#)
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"Ok, if you want to lay out these 'holes' one by one, I'll be happy to plug them for you."


the vast majority of your evidence is actually speculation and circumsantual

things like your interpretaion of the 'pull it' phrase aren't actually evidence.


1. It is not possible to fit the thermite inside the elevator shaft and still have it working.


thats not the only hole, but I think its a pretty final one.

that your theory is physically impossible is a fairly major flaw.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:42:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:29:05 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:16:35 (#)
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p.s. you have not provided an answer to my very simple question. why such a complex plan?

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Because OBVIOUSLY it's believable to 99% of the idiots on this god-forsaken planet.
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That's your argument? All your theory is based on THIS?!


Your interrogations about WTC7 and silverstein and whatnot may make some sense BUT YOUR THEORY IS FULL OF HOLES!!!

Drugs addicts and logical reasoning do not go along very well.

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No one said my 'entire theory' was based on what I said right there. I was just responding to your over-simplified and speculative question as to why the conspirators didn't choose another simpler method. I said well below that on 3 separate occasions that it had to be something that the average person could believe could be pulled off by 'terrorists' and it had to be something big enough to ensure their goals were achieved. Again, you're asking me to speculate on what someone is thinking. I can only do that so much.

Ok, if you want to lay out these 'holes' one by one, I'll be happy to plug them for you.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:41:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:39:24 (#)
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could someone please explain to me what the fuck cognitive dissonance is
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according to ETS, if you fail to agree with him it means: COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!

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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:41:12 EDT (#)
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It's nice to see that some things never change.

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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:40:47 EDT (#)
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I have given you an alternate explination a hundred fucking times. I have linked to it at least a dozen times. "Pull it" in firemen terms is to pull out, take all your people out and let it burn.

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You guys are still talking about the 9/11 conspiracy?

I saw a 4hr long special on the Nat. Geo. channel yesterday covering the events that led up, and the actual attacks in a timeline format. It was very chilling. They had a lot of footage that I hadn't seen before.

In one such shot, they showed the first tower collapse from a vantage point that showed the #7 building in the shot. When the tower had collapsed almost 2/3rd of the way down, it started to lean and fall on the 7th building. From the looks of it, I don't know how the building was able to even withstand the first collapse.

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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:39:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:41:32 (#)
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That fire was almost every floor of the building and spanned the entire length of the building.

Look in the index. They talk baout Silversteen's quote. He never said pull the building down, he said pull it, and that was after talking to the fire chief. What is more likely that he was using the fireman's lingo for pull to mean pull the people out, or he was talkig like a demolitions expert.
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Makes sense to me.

Pull it=pull the exercise,
Pull it=pull the building.

He could have meant any of those things... The thing is, people will want it to mean what they want it to mean.

Indos explaination seems reasonable...but that isn't what is important here...what is important is you said again and a-FUCKING=gain someexplain to me any other meaning that makes sense...YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T...when all along this was posted as a review but you CHOSE TO IGNORE IT.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:39:24 EDT (#)
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could someone please explain to me what the fuck cognitive dissonance is

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:38:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:31:28 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:29:49 (#)

[I don't have to know him, I saw the fucking interview with him. I know what he meant. It is you, now, who are making COMPLETELY CRAZY assumptions about what else he might have meant.]


Manical capslock laughter
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Indeed. ETS now has telephatic thoughts. His assumptions are less assumptions than ours. He's like a fucking prophet, dawg!

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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:35:59 EDT (#)
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Cognitive dissonance has NOTHING to do the refusal of knowledge. Very simply it is what happens when you are confronted by a fact and the fact clashes with a previous held belief and out of that conflict new knowledge results.

In fact you are refusing knowledge and we professional educators have a term for that-delibrate ignorance, or fucking stupidity.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:35:16 EDT (#)
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[Ok, so "it" can be used to describe a group of men now....INTERESTING]


No. It refers to the building.


Pull the building.

Pull the building to a demolition man, means demolish it.

Pull the building to a fire man, means get your people out of it/ away from the collapse area.


Are you saying that the phrase 'pull it' isn't fireman lingo for that?

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:31:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:29:49 (#)

[I don't have to know him, I saw the fucking interview with him. I know what he meant. It is you, now, who are making COMPLETELY CRAZY assumptions about what else he might have meant.]


Manical capslock laughter

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:29:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:23:29 (#)
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But you know Larry silverstein? Fucking idiot.

[I don't have to know him, I saw the fucking interview with him. I know what he meant. It is you, now, who are making COMPLETELY CRAZY assumptions about what else he might have meant.]






I have given you an alternate explination a hundred fucking times. I have linked to it at least a dozen times. "Pull it" in firemen terms is to pull out, take all your people out and let it burn.

[Ok, so "it" can be used to describe a group of men now....INTERESTING]





Saying "COGNITIVE DISSONANCE" you rnew catch phrase for the day doesn't change the facts. That thermite theory is wrong. That there are other meanings for pull it, meanings that make more sense when looked in the context of a conversation between a regular guy and a firefighter.

[Yes, there are other meanings for 'pull it'....but I very seriously doubt Larry Silverstein was telling the fire commander to whip out his dick in the middle of a disaster area and whack it. GET REAL.]

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:29:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:20:37 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:16:35 (#)
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p.s. you have not provided an answer to my very simple question. why such a complex plan?

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Because OBVIOUSLY it's believable to 99% of the idiots on this god-forsaken planet.
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That's your argument? All your theory is based on THIS?!


Your interrogations about WTC7 and silverstein and whatnot may make some sense BUT YOUR THEORY IS FULL OF HOLES!!!

Drugs addicts and logical reasoning do not go along very well.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:28:22 EDT (#)
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"would it be harder? Just close 2-3 parking levels of the massive underground WTC parking and load them with explosives"


close two to three levels of a building and fill them with explosives without the security noticing?


c'mon really?

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:26:27 EDT (#)
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"I want to know what the hell he was talking about and how he could POSSIBLY make such an error in memory. It was obviously an error in judgement if he was in on the conspiracy, but how could he possibly imagine a conversation that didn't take place? Or if it did take place and he meant something else by 'pull the building', what was it?

Answer me, you fucks."
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I did answer you idiot.


"Complete and utter SPECULATION. You don't know Larry Silverstein from Adam and now you are speculating on what phrases he knows and doesn't know, or how 'hands on' a developer he was/is.
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What? that is exactly what YOU'RE DOING!

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Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:26:18 EDT (#)
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Take a fucking shower, jagoff.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:25:04 EDT (#)
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It would actually have been far harder for the govt. to rig the building with explosives than it would have been for it to hijack a couple of planes."""

Why would it be harder? Just close 2-3 parking levels of the massive underground WTC parking and load them with explosives. Much more feasible than slamming planes with missiles attached to hit than rig the building with thermite, then bring it down and blame it on people, all the while keeping everybody silent. Besides, ETS once said that the buildings were rigged before the planes hit.

Plus, they didn't have to blow up the WTC. There are a million ways that are much more simplier the government, if it wanted, could use against it's own people. Why this particular one that requires way too much people and machine-like coordination?

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:23:46 EDT (#)
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"You rebutted a man who said something about clear charges going off before the buildings' collapse, and argument that was probably SET UP to fail, and wiped your hands of the ENTIRE THING...because of one point."

Because that is the ENTIRE theory.

Explosives where used to demolish the WTC IS the fucking theory. And I disprooved it. you're now going on about thermite neglecting the fact that thats physically impossible.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:23:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:09:51 (#)
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Well it makes more sense to me that in a conversation between a developer and firefighter would be involve firefighter lingo before it involved demolition lingo. Silverstein wasn't a hands on developer. He probably never even spoke with people who build or demolish things he is a multi millionaire, he doesn't get his hands dirty, he isn't going to be up with the latest demolition lingo.

If he was involved in a conspiray this big he wouldn't go blabbing about it on TV.

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Complete and utter SPECULATION. You don't know Larry Silverstein from Adam and now you are speculating on what phrases he knows and doesn't know, or how 'hands on' a developer he was/is.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE


(You still aren't giving me an alternate explanation of what he was talking about in that video if it wasn't demolishing the fucking building.)

I FUCKING DARE YOU to address this. You can't.

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But you know Larry silverstein? Fucking idiot.




I have given you an alternate explination a hundred fucking times. I have linked to it at least a dozen times. "Pull it" in firemen terms is to pull out, take all your people out and let it burn.




Saying "COGNITIVE DISSONANCE" you rnew catch phrase for the day doesn't change the facts. That thermite theory is wrong. That there are other meanings for pull it, meanings that make more sense when looked in the context of a conversation between a regular guy and a firefighter.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:23:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:20:05 (#)
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If he was involved in a conspiray this big he wouldn't go blabbing about it on TV."""

Obvious points like this one or the one that ETS don't wanna answer are things conspiracy theorists look over.

"Hmm, let's argue about the details when mhy initial premise makes no sense!"

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I'm not ignoring it.... I'm FOCUSING ON IT!

I want to know what the hell he was talking about and how he could POSSIBLY make such an error in memory. It was obviously an error in judgement if he was in on the conspiracy, but how could he possibly imagine a conversation that didn't take place? Or if it did take place and he meant something else by 'pull the building', what was it?

Answer me, you fucks.

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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:23:00 EDT (#)
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SOMEONE OFFER ME ANOTHER EXPLANATION FOR WHAT HE MEANT!!! GO ON! DO IT!

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Someone already did in a way that explains all aspects of your argument but you ignored it because it sounded logical and ... well.... correct.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:21:23 EDT (#)
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"BROKE-ASS seizmic data from 30 miles away and a brief, obfuscating explanation by you of what we were supposedly looking at, completely disregarding that you'd gotten the seizmic argument from a straw-man site in the first place...a site that is designed to muddle the real theories...which are the THERMITE, NOT TNT, were possibly used."


NO.

The seismic data source(s) are undeniably independant.
And I 'got the argument' from no site whatsoever.

I simply thought about the simplest way to disproove your theory.

I happen to know about this kinda stuff which is why I chose seismograph.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:20:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:16:35 (#)
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p.s. you have not provided an answer to my very simple question. why such a complex plan?

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Because OBVIOUSLY it's believable to 99% of the idiots on this god-forsaken planet.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:20:05 EDT (#)
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If he was involved in a conspiray this big he wouldn't go blabbing about it on TV."""

Obvious points like this one or the one that ETS don't wanna answer are things conspiracy theorists look over.

"Hmm, let's argue about the details when mhy initial premise makes no sense!"

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:19:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:15:15 (#)
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What you're forgetting is that the 'conspiracy theorists' have shown a multi-faceted body of evidence that HAS NOT BEEN CONFRONTED by the government and has not been reported on my the mainstream media. Why not leave it up to the people to decide for themselves what's newsworthy? If someone has serious questions about the most defining event of the 21st Century, I think they deserve to be addressed in a public forum.

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It isn't reported because it is shit, only you are too stupid, ignorant, and/or blind to see it.




It overwhelmingly obvious that thermite wasn't used.



It is refreshing to know you work in a dead end job, I would be a little scared if you did something more important like make my burgers or mow my lawn.

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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:19:36 EDT (#)
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Filthy girl from reading, what's your position vis a vis your pal's theories?

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:09:51 (#)
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Well it makes more sense to me that in a conversation between a developer and firefighter would be involve firefighter lingo before it involved demolition lingo. Silverstein wasn't a hands on developer. He probably never even spoke with people who build or demolish things he is a multi millionaire, he doesn't get his hands dirty, he isn't going to be up with the latest demolition lingo.

If he was involved in a conspiray this big he wouldn't go blabbing about it on TV.

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Complete and utter SPECULATION. You don't know Larry Silverstein from Adam and now you are speculating on what phrases he knows and doesn't know, or how 'hands on' a developer he was/is.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE


(You still aren't giving me an alternate explanation of what he was talking about in that video if it wasn't demolishing the fucking building.)

I FUCKING DARE YOU to address this. You can't.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:12:03 (#)
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funny, ETS can,t answer my question. Why the hi-jacked plane option, Bradley?

Why not a chemical bomb, bringing down WTC why people work, why something so oddly complicated when the same or more damage can be made with simplier plans?

Why not an attack that would've actually linked Iraq with 9/11?

If the government is smart enough to pull something like 9/11, wouldn't it have think about this in advance?

SO MUCH QUESTIONS, SO FEW ANSWERS!
WHEN IN DOUBT! BLAME THE GOVERNMENT!

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I can answer that.

It would have taken a fucking lot of explosive to demolish the buildings, which did have security.

It would actually have been far harder for the govt. to rig the building with explosives than it would have been for it to hijack a couple of planes.

Thats what I don't get about ETSs theory, if he wants to claim the govt. did it why not just say that the govt. arranged for the planes to hit the towers rather than coming up with a complex conspiracy involving thousands of people keeping there mouths shut, not to mention the fact that its physically impossible.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:16:35 EDT (#)
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p.s. you have not provided an answer to my very simple question. why such a complex plan?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:16:07 EDT (#)
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It's just like an echo"""

hahahahha

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:15:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:46:33 (#)
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"Show me a website that challenges the 9/11 conspiracy and I'll go through each and every claim they make and cut them to shreds or present an alternate, equally plausible alternative."


how about when i did it a few weeks ago?

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No, you showed some seizmic data that purported to rebut only one aspect of the conspiracy theory using some BROKE-ASS seizmic data from 30 miles away and a brief, obfuscating explanation by you of what we were supposedly looking at, completely disregarding that you'd gotten the seizmic argument from a straw-man site in the first place...a site that is designed to muddle the real theories...which are the THERMITE, NOT TNT, were possibly used.

You rebutted a man who said something about clear charges going off before the buildings' collapse, and argument that was probably SET UP to fail, and wiped your hands of the ENTIRE THING...because of one point.

This part of the conspiracy theory is there to try to explain the impossible timing of the buildings' fall in 10-12 seconds. (free-fall speed)

None of you can argue with the preponderance of evidence surrounding 9/11 pointing to a conspiracy.

What you're forgetting is that the 'conspiracy theorists' have shown a multi-faceted body of evidence that HAS NOT BEEN CONFRONTED by the government and has not been reported on my the mainstream media. Why not leave it up to the people to decide for themselves what's newsworthy? If someone has serious questions about the most defining event of the 21st Century, I think they deserve to be addressed in a public forum.

Let's setup a debate between the 'conspiracy theorists' and the government pundits and see who comes out on top. That's all I'm asking.

Stop believing that every site you read that claims to support the conspiracy theory is ACTUALLY genuine.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:15:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:10:12 (#)
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Hey, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but: COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
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It's the "TALK TO THE HAND" comment for pseudo-intellectuals.

Knida like people in grade 10th who say "PROJECTION! YOU'RE DOING PROJECTION!" which is the equivalent of when I was 5 and would say : Lui qu'il le dit, c'est lui qu'il l'est!

I have no idea what is the english equivalent of that..."the one who says it, is it" No?! Yes?

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:13:27 EDT (#)
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"And you're still trying DESPERATELY to lay blame on ME for the discrepancy of Larry Silverstein."


I'm not trying to blame you for his discrepancy, I'm saying there IS NO DISCREPANCY.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:12:03 EDT (#)
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funny, ETS can,t answer my question. Why the hi-jacked plane option, Bradley?

Why not a chemical bomb, bringing down WTC why people work, why something so oddly complicated when the same or more damage can be made with simplier plans?

Why not an attack that would've actually linked Iraq with 9/11?

If the government is smart enough to pull something like 9/11, wouldn't it have think about this in advance?

SO MUCH QUESTIONS, SO FEW ANSWERS!
WHEN IN DOUBT! BLAME THE GOVERNMENT!

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:11:39 EDT (#)
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SOMEONE OFFER ME ANOTHER EXPLANATION FOR WHAT HE MEANT!!! GO ON! DO IT!


pull it, as in...give up...get out of there...it seems FAR more likely to me.


Don't you even think about telling me I'm controlled by the media fucko.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:11:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:55:07 (#)
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"The authors of that site point to seizmic data to extend this time to 15 seconds, forgetting that seismic waves bounce and continue in duration through the ground even after a building has physically collapsed. It's just like an echo. If you scream at the top of your lungs in a canyon, the reverberations will continue long after you've physically stopped screaming."


STFU
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I am glad somebody else pointed out how absurdly stupid and ignorant that analogy is.


How the fuck does shit like this have a positive rating.

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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:10:12 EDT (#)
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Hey, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but: COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:51:03 (#)
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"Plus, you're completely disregarding Silverstien's quote that he told them to PULL the building down!"


There is no such quote.

He never said 'pull the building down' he said just said pull.

Which in your opinion is him and a fire chief using demolition slang and admitting demolishing the building on national tv. Your opinion is fucking stupid.

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That was "PULL IT".

OYou didn't watch the video, did you? Obviously not. I linked you to it below. Watch it before you open your mouth and then explain to me what the man meant when he said that..

Again....COGNITIVE DISSONANCE AT WORK. You will refuse to accept the new information because it contradicts previously held beliefs. Furthermore, it would be doubly scary because you would have to admit ol' ETS was right about something.

'Demolition lingo' between a firefighter (who is TRAINED in the structural integrity of buildings), and a real-estate developer using a COMMON term like "pull it" is hardly unbelievable. Besides, how do we know Silverstein wasn't paraphrasing what he said when he gave the interview? Just watch the interview.

SOMEONE OFFER ME ANOTHER EXPLANATION FOR WHAT HE MEANT!!! GO ON! DO IT!
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Well it makes more sense to me that in a conversation between a developer and firefighter would be involve firefighter lingo before it involved demolition lingo. Silverstein wasn't a hands on developer. He probably never even spoke with people who build or demolish things he is a multi millionaire, he doesn't get his hands dirty, he isn't going to be up with the latest demolition lingo.

If he was involved in a conspiray this big he wouldn't go blabbing about it on TV.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:08:22 EDT (#)
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stop saying "COGNATIVE DISSONANCE" for fucks sake, there are people on the thread who obviously know much more than you telling you you're completely wrong to use the phrase...so don't.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 16:01:09 EDT (#)
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"In his theory you need 762.5 kg of thermite for the lesser columns 1524.9 kg for the largest. And he doesn't take into account the increase of specific heat for Fe when you raise the temp, so you would need even more thermite. There was no room around the columns for this thermite. His theory is 100% wrong and if you weren't so stupid or narrow sighted you could see that."

I've tried this already Indon.

"Me: there wasn't enough room for the thermite

him: yes there was

Me: where?

Him: In the elevator shaft

Me: does the fact that you couldn't fit the thermite in the elevator shaft not contradict your theory that the thermite was in the elevator shaft

him: nope."

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:59:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:54:21 (#)
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"It shows the OWNER of WTC, Larry Silverstein ADMITTING he told officials to "pull it", meaning to demolish the building with explosives."

that doesn't make any kind of sense.

He's part of a massive government conspiracy and he just comes out and ADMITS IT?

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You're still not watching the fucking thing. And you're still trying DESPERATELY to lay blame on ME for the discrepancy of Larry Silverstein.


COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:51:03 (#)
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"Plus, you're completely disregarding Silverstien's quote that he told them to PULL the building down!"


There is no such quote.

He never said 'pull the building down' he said just said pull.

Which in your opinion is him and a fire chief using demolition slang and admitting demolishing the building on national tv. Your opinion is fucking stupid.

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That was "PULL IT".

OYou didn't watch the video, did you? Obviously not. I linked you to it below. Watch it before you open your mouth and then explain to me what the man meant when he said that..

Again....COGNITIVE DISSONANCE AT WORK. You will refuse to accept the new information because it contradicts previously held beliefs. Furthermore, it would be doubly scary because you would have to admit ol' ETS was right about something.

'Demolition lingo' between a firefighter (who is TRAINED in the structural integrity of buildings), and a real-estate developer using a COMMON term like "pull it" is hardly unbelievable. Besides, how do we know Silverstein wasn't paraphrasing what he said when he gave the interview? Just watch the interview.

SOMEONE OFFER ME ANOTHER EXPLANATION FOR WHAT HE MEANT!!! GO ON! DO IT!

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:55:07 EDT (#)
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"The authors of that site point to seizmic data to extend this time to 15 seconds, forgetting that seismic waves bounce and continue in duration through the ground even after a building has physically collapsed. It's just like an echo. If you scream at the top of your lungs in a canyon, the reverberations will continue long after you've physically stopped screaming."


STFU

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:54:21 EDT (#)
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"It shows the OWNER of WTC, Larry Silverstein ADMITTING he told officials to "pull it", meaning to demolish the building with explosives."

that doesn't make any kind of sense.

He's part of a massive government conspiracy and he just comes out and ADMITS IT?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:52:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:32:51 (#)
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Jesus H Crist, I know that I said that I wasn't going to feed into your paranoia. But for god sakes I have worked with autistic students who catch on quicker than you. But you STILL do not understand Cognitive dissonance.

"To me, the arguments that tip the scale largely in favor of the official story have nothing to do with Building-7 or thermite or remote control planes.

[You move away from specifics when the arguments there become too inconvenient. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE"

cognitive dissonance does not have anything, reapeat, anything to do with the point you are trying (poorly) make. Cognitive dissonance is a theory that explains the acquistion of new knowledge. I don't understand how the hell you are applying in this case. You copied and pasted an explanation of the theory. Didn't you read my response? Your response is nothing more than a second rate mind trying desperatly to sound like you actually are intelligent.

My advise to you is that when you find yourself in a hole-stop digging.

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It deals both with the aquisition of new knowledge and the REFUSAL of the mind to accept new knowledge based on previously held beliefs. Get that straight.


* if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning. Even Carl Rogers recognised this. Accommodation is more difficult than Assimilation, in Piaget's terms.
* and—counter-intuitively, perhaps—if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are less likely to concede that the content of what has been learned is useless, pointless or valueless. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned".




If you're going to combat be, be careful not to trip over your own legs in the process.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:51:26 EDT (#)
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"I think the American sense of patriotism is the same as the sense of blind loyalty cult members feel toward their leaders."


I agree with you.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:51:03 EDT (#)
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"Plus, you're completely disregarding Silverstien's quote that he told them to PULL the building down!"


There is no such quote.

He never said 'pull the building down' he said just said pull.

Which in your opinion is him and a fire chief using demolition slang and admitting demolishing the building on national tv. Your opinion is fucking stupid.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:46:33 EDT (#)
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"Show me a website that challenges the 9/11 conspiracy and I'll go through each and every claim they make and cut them to shreds or present an alternate, equally plausible alternative."


how about when i did it a few weeks ago?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:41:41 EDT (#)
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"THEY HAVEN'T SHOWN ME A SHRED OF FUCKING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS CLAIM"

And you have evidence it was gonna crash in the Capitol? Just wondering.

You ask evidences and you make tons of claims without providing any.

I suppose you hold information we don't.

IT'S FUN ARGUING WITH YOU BRADLEY BECAUSE IT'S SO FUCKING EASY!

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:39:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:31:54 (#)
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So, ETS, I have a question:

Why did the government use such a complex plan that is full of holes and could have been replaced by a much smaller option? """

I think ETS got misguided by my use of the word "smaller".
By smaller I meant SIMPLIER option.

For instance, why didn't they just blow up a chemical bomb? Much simplier, kills shitloads of people, creates fear and YOU CAN ACTUALLY BLAME IRAQ ON TOP OF THAT!

But no, the government prefers risky bizarre plans that could fail if one of the thousand of operatives fails....unless they're all robots...then, yeah, maybe.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:23:02 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:07:48 (#)
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Yes yes, but still no answer to why they used such a complex plan that is full of holes and could've been replaced by a much smaller option.

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I JUST FUCKING TOLD YOU, YOU NON-ENGLISH-SPEAKING BALLSACK!

Squeegee your fucking ears.

I've answered you TWICE now. This will make THREE times:
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No you have not. You're misleading ze conversation again.

I said they could've repeat small-scale attacks like for example, cafe bombs, to revive the fear and deflect the attention. To which you respond "No need, the culture of fear already exists in america" That is true to some extent but there is also a lot of opposition toward this government.

What you have not answered is my question:

"Come to think of it, why would they make such a complex operation when they could've just loaded the WTC with explosive and blame it on Al Qaeda?"

Let me repeat. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FLY PLANES INTO BUILDINGS TO MAKE AN ATTACK BIG. YOU CAN JUST BRING IT DOWN CONVENTIONALLY AND PIN THE BLAME ON ANYONE. They could've just bombed the WTC or any other place in america and blame it on Al Qaeda. What's the point of such a complex and risky plan when you have much less risky, costly and feasable options?

You have not answered that. Even my non-english speaking ass can follow a conversation, why can't you?

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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:32:51 EDT (#)
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Jesus H Crist, I know that I said that I wasn't going to feed into your paranoia. But for god sakes I have worked with autistic students who catch on quicker than you. But you STILL do not understand Cognitive dissonance.

"To me, the arguments that tip the scale largely in favor of the official story have nothing to do with Building-7 or thermite or remote control planes.

[You move away from specifics when the arguments there become too inconvenient. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE"

cognitive dissonance does not have anything, reapeat, anything to do with the point you are trying (poorly) make. Cognitive dissonance is a theory that explains the acquistion of new knowledge. I don't understand how the hell you are applying in this case. You copied and pasted an explanation of the theory. Didn't you read my response? Your response is nothing more than a second rate mind trying desperatly to sound like you actually are intelligent.

My advise to you is that when you find yourself in a hole-stop digging.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:31:54 EDT (#)
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So, ETS, I have a question:

Why did the government use such a complex plan that is full of holes and could have been replaced by a much smaller option?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:23:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:07:48 (#)
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Yes yes, but still no answer to why they used such a complex plan that is full of holes and could've been replaced by a much smaller option.

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I JUST FUCKING TOLD YOU, YOU NON-ENGLISH-SPEAKING BALLSACK!

Squeegee your fucking ears.

I've answered you TWICE now. This will make THREE times:


The plan had to be something big. It had to be big enough to declare marshall law on the nation. It couldn't have been a fucking cafe bomb. That's not going to get people to go along with giving up their privacy and other rights.

If the airplane that ALLEGEDLY crashed in Pennsylvania (notice I didn't say flight 93, and I used the word 'allegedly' because THEY HAVEN'T SHOWN ME A SHRED OF FUCKING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS CLAIM) had crashed into the Capital building in Washington D.C. it would have created exactly the kind of situation that could have allowed a president, in this case Bush, to seize overwhelming amounts of power over the country and to unilaterally decide all matters of state without checks on power. He could have amended the Constitution if he wanted at that point without so much as a vote!

These people aren't small potatoes. They aren't about 'cafe bombs'. They are backed by companies that have net profits of $36bn annually.

People around the world should thank their lucky stars that last airplane didn't reach its destination.



Of course, that's not the story we heard is it? They told us it was headed toward the White House, didn't they? Why would a team of terrorists with such obvious planning and execution skills totally miss the fact that neither Bush nor Cheney would be there on that day? Hell, Bush was in a fucking elementary school for christ's sake...surely a much easier target.

If this was an inside job, which I contend beyond a doubt in my mind it was, that plane was headed straight for the Capital.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:53:30 (#)
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...

If you got over yourself for a second, you'd see that.

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<insert manic capslock laughter again>

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:18:32 EDT (#)
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Ask yourselves...

"Do *I* fail to consider things critically like Caul?"

"Do *I* disregard new information if it's inconvenient to me, refusing to investigate further, or admitting a possibility where one clearly exists?"

"Can I be sure that what I think is NOT the result of extensive propaganda and is, indeed, TRUTH?"




<Insert manic capslock laughter>

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 15:07:48 EDT (#)
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Yes yes, but still no answer to why they used such a complex plan that is full of holes and could've been replaced by a much smaller option.

I guess I'll never know.

This is tiring and going in circles.

Just assume that you're right on everything and that I'm a lobotomize sheep if it pleases you. I have defenitly better things to do than talking with a proverbial wall.

j'en ai marre, quoi!

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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-01 13:58:13 (#)
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caul's english is getting worse as this thread goes on, let's see how low it goes.
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i just realized that. besides, i don't have any more time to grace that guy with.

i suppose bush, in his all powerful all knowing 9/11-staging might, decided to let his popularity corrode to pathetic levels.

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You assume I think Bush was behind 9/11. I didn't say that. I said someone in the government was. If Bush was in on it, which I think he was, he wasn't the mastermind by any means. Bush is a puppet, plain and simple.

The good folks at Exxon and in the military industrial complex are the real policy makers here. Why? M.O.N.E.Y.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 14:50:37 EDT (#)
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Caul, I just explained to you why the Bush administration cannot continue the 'terrorist' acts to inspire allegiance. For one thing, in a small way, they have tried. The continual focus on fear should be self-evident. But you're missing the larger picture here.

The GOAL.

What was the GOAL of the 9/11 attacks if the government was involved?

Let's assume for a moment, for argument's sake, they were involved. Let's also assume that because I'm here talking about this right now that things didn't go exactly as planned. Let's also assume that flight 93 had a target in mind besides a field in Pennsylvania. I think that's safe to say that there was some intended target whether or not it was shot down by NORAD.

Now, let's envision what would have happened if flight 93 had crashed into the Capital building, wiping out hundreds of members of Congress. What do you think would have happened? Bush could have declared marshall law and usurped power indefinitely. Funny thing is, he could have even used the Constitution itself as justification because, according to him, the nation would have been under immediate attack and the legislative branch of government would have been compromised, eliminating this check on power.

Now let's look again at what did happen... The plane crashed in a field in Pennsylvania, (or so we're told). If the plane had a target besides that field, the plan failed to go through completely. This is why we're here talking about 'what ifs' with our freedom of speech still intact. (Well, not you, you're Canadian.)

The way I see it, the perpetrators of 9/11 tried to make the most of a partially failed operation by pinning the blame on Osama Bin Laden and using the attacks to misdirect national anger on Iraq for their (nonexistent) WMDs.

If you think this is over or this is the end of the matter, I think you're in for a big surpirse at some point. This sort of thing will happen again. The perpetrators is not going to waste time on small time cafe bombs. They will need a spectacle great enough to declare total marshall law and seize complete power. Americans are so smug that this can never happen in this country, but I think the fervor with which we went to Iraq under completely fabricated pretenses should give us an indication exactly how it's going to be done.

Hell, a look at history...at the bombing of the Reichstag, Nero's buring of Rome, the bombing of the Maine, which started the Spanish-American war, Pearl Harbor (an event about which there are still questions of government compicancy), the Gulf of Tonkin (preceded by the assassination of a U.S. President), and the infamous Northwoods document, which describes in detail how attacks on American military and civilian targets could be used to pin blame on Castro and be used as a pretext for war.

All the signs are there that the United States government, in collusion with the United States military and special interest groups in the military industrial complex, has a mind for world domination, and it will do whatever it takes to side-step the Constitution (which clearly makes foreign war illegal unless we're attacked first) and wage war. These wars are for a number of reasons, but most of all, simply for the sake of war itself. War=spending. War=blind patriotism. War=conquest of resources. War=favorable regime change.

These people will stop at nothing. So if you think I'm completely crazy for thinking these people had something to do with 9/11, I say you don't know your history OR the evidence (which, thanks to them, is minimal but powerful.)

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Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-05-01 14:30:36 EDT (#)
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ok dude... no. Just... no.

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Submitted by sosomething (user info) at 2006-05-01 14:17:00 EDT (#)
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I don't know why there is a 9/11 discussion in your comments, but I thought your post was cool. +2

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 14:16:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-01 14:13:39 (#)
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Why don't you just agree to disagree.
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I basically asked the same thing to ETS earlier but according to him, we're still sleepwalking retarded zombies if we disagree.

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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-01 14:13:39 EDT (#)
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Why don't you just agree to disagree. People have different opinions, and that is OK. Shucks, it's better than OK.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 14:02:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-01 13:58:13 (#)
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caul's english is getting worse as this thread goes on, let's see how low it goes.
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i just realized that. besides, i don't have any more time to grace that guy with.

i suppose bush, in his all powerful all knowing 9/11-staging might, decided to let his popularity corrode to pathetic levels.

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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-05-01 13:58:13 EDT (#)
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caul's english is getting worse as this thread goes on, let's see how low it goes.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 13:57:38 EDT (#)
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baba booey

baba booey

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:41:32 (#)
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That fire was almost every floor of the building and spanned the entire length of the building.

Look in the index. They talk baout Silversteen's quote. He never said pull the building down, he said pull it, and that was after talking to the fire chief. What is more likely that he was using the fireman's lingo for pull to mean pull the people out, or he was talkig like a demolitions expert.

You are retarted.


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"WE'VE HAD SUCH LOSS OF LIFE ALREADY, MAYBE THE BEST THING TO DO IS JUST PULL IT." - Larry Silverstein

He's not talking about getting people out of the fucking buildings. A fire chief doesn't NEED Larry Fucking Silverstein to tell him when to get people out of a building.


If someone wants to listen to Indoninja, that's your prerogative, but I suggest looking at the video yourselves:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4429289437231286745&q=9%2F11 Open the video file and go to timecode 23:45. If nothing else whould debunk the "DEBUNKERS", it should be that clip right there! It shows the OWNER of WTC, Larry Silverstein ADMITTING he told officials to "pull it", meaning to demolish the building with explosives.

Remember, Larry Silverstein is a real estate developer. He knows very well what "pull it" means.

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"Problem #1, Larry Silverstein is not a demolition contractor, neither was the fire department chief, so why should we assume they'd be using slang demolition terms?

Problem #2, Silverstein says "they made that decision to pull", for instance -- the Fire Department. If "pull" means "demolish", then he's saying the Fire Department may not have decided to bring the building down if they couldn't contain the fire, but because it was beyond them, they decided to blow it up. Does this make sense? Not in the slightest.

Problem #3, Silverstein is suggesting that the decision to demolish the building was optional. It might not have happened. Does this fit with the idea of a convenient insurance scam? No, not at all.

Problem #4, why would the Fire Department willingly agree to engage in a multi-million dollar insurance fraud?

Problem #5, and since when do Fire Departments blow up buildings anyway?

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You know, you point out all these problems and then you point at ME as the source of them. Why don't you ask Mr. Silverstein? I don't know WHERE the lie is, I just know there is a lie somewhere and we haven't been told everything. It ain't ME that's lying here. REmember that before you point your fucking finger again and attempt to distract yourself and everyone else away from the real issue.

I could sit here and speculate if silverstein was lying when he said it was the fire commander, or if he was lying when he said he told someone to 'pull it', or if he was lying when he doubled back on that statement later in favor of the official FEMA story that fire caused the building to collapse. But somewhere along that line, there is either a serious lapse of memory of the facts, or a deliberate lie.

You cannot deny this.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 13:48:22 EDT (#)
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There's no debate with that guy, he just dodges the arguments or select parts of your argument.

He still haven't answer me.

If the U.S government is so evil and all powerful to be able to attack its own people in plain view, why is it not doing the same thing at an all-time low in popularity?

If they can blow 3000 people to ride a patriotic wave, why won't they blow a cafe, you know?

Did Bush went from evil plotter to completly retarded? Why does he look like a fairly incompetent individual whose administration seems to crumble a little more everyday?

WHY DID THAT SELF-INFLICTED TERROR DISAPPEARED IN A TIME WHERE IT MOST NEEDED FOR ITS PERPETRATORS?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 13:42:41 EDT (#)
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[You move away from specifics when the arguments there become too inconvenient. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE] """

No I don't. Both are based on a lot of assumptions because none of us here have all the details so the debate is pretty similar to religion. And I don't like to argue specifics when the basic thesis isn't even proven yet. You're thinking backward, starting with details. When you explain me why the U.S. government had to make such a risky complicated plan that involved hundreds of people that could leak it anytime when they could've used just about anything else, we'll argue about building 7 and thermite and whatnot.


[Good question. The ONLY thing preventing Bush from completely taking over after such an event was the existence of Congress. IF a third plane indeed crashed in that field in Pennsylvania, it's safe to speculate it could have decapitated Congress, thus allowing Bush to declare complete and total marshall law in the United States. IF that plane crashed there in that field, and there was a conspiracy that day, it's safe to assume someone either didn't follow orders at NORAD and stand down, or the plane was shot down and a story of the heros aboard was fabricated to make movies during election years and spur further blind nationalist sentiment.]"""

It's safe to assume? Is it also safe to assume that the passengers took control of the plane? Which is right? You? If so, why?

[The administration rode this wave of nationalistic popularity for a long time, and assumed that a well-placed 'TERROR ALERT' system would be enough. What they forgot to account for is the freedom of speech we enjoy and our proclavity for satirizing and ridiculing such things in the public arena. Without this freedom of speech, they could have EASILY succeeded. The media wouldn't contain any such satire from political opponents and the government position would be taken as gospel. ]"""

If the administration was clever enough to stage that, they would've been clever enough to manage a better approval rating than 37%. The lowest approval rating in the U.S. history doesn't sound like dictatorship to me.

[The misnomer here is that an incredible number of people have to be involved with such a conspiracy. Not everyone along the chain has to know what they're doing to pull off such an operation. As long as the need to feel justified in what they do is satisfied, those that merely follow orders can deal with their own conscience effectively. Selective media coverage takes care of the general populace.]

The list of people who would've participate in this is fucking endless and the chances of the plot to be uncovered are ridiculously endless. Again, why didn't they just use a conventional bomb? You didn't answer me.


[Remember, you said yourself these things take planning, and even a government conspiracy is not going to be without flaws. You're also forgetting that a culture of fear DOES prevail here in America! We have the 'terror alert' system. We have NSA spying. We have people from the administration selling out CIA agents who dissent from their way. We have constant misdirection in our media. Constant reports of possible terrorism. We have people being arrested and charged with NO CRIME, then carted off to Guantanamo Bay indefinitely. The fear of criticising Bush is evidenced by the very fact that even French-Canadians will jump your ass for harping on him, because in the internet generation if it's 5 minutes old it's no longer 'news' and no longer worthy of discussion.] """

Yes I said it took planning. But flying jumbo jets into 3 national landmarks then blowing them up with demolition teams and blame it all on Saudi terrorists that never existed and hide the whole thing requires a lot more planning than bomb a building. You still didn't answer me. Why didn't they just use a conventional bomb? What's the point of doing such a complicated plan? And you musn't be serious when you say I'm jumping your ass because you criticise bush. I'm criticising you, that's not the same.

[The airline industry is not profitable anyway. It's only government subsidies that keep it going. Besides, one look at our budget deficits the last 5 years should tell you how much the government cares about 'profitability'. But you've hit on another point in the 9/11 conspiracy often neglected - the sudden fall of the specific airline stocks involved in the attacks right before 9/11.]

You deflected again by picking 3 secondary words out of my comment. Why didn't they just use a much simplier attack?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:26:43 (#)
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Both the official story and the 9/11 cover-up theory present arguments.

[Given.]



To me, the arguments that tip the scale largely in favor of the official story have nothing to do with Building-7 or thermite or remote control planes.

[You move away from specifics when the arguments there become too inconvenient. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE]



The main argument is, if the U.S. government was capable to pull off an operation of that magnitude, with so many people involve, how come there is such a large group of people who think 9/11 was a coverup? How come the current administration is so unpopular?

[Good question. The ONLY thing preventing Bush from completely taking over after such an event was the existence of Congress. IF a third plane indeed crashed in that field in Pennsylvania, it's safe to speculate it could have decapitated Congress, thus allowing Bush to declare complete and total marshall law in the United States. IF that plane crashed there in that field, and there was a conspiracy that day, it's safe to assume someone either didn't follow orders at NORAD and stand down, or the plane was shot down and a story of the heros aboard was fabricated to make movies during election years and spur further blind nationalist sentiment.

The administration rode this wave of nationalistic popularity for a long time, and assumed that a well-placed 'TERROR ALERT' system would be enough. What they forgot to account for is the freedom of speech we enjoy and our proclavity for satirizing and ridiculing such things in the public arena. Without this freedom of speech, they could have EASILY succeeded. The media wouldn't contain any such satire from political opponents and the government position would be taken as gospel.

The administration is unpopular NOW also because they failed to realize the effect a prolonged war in Iraq would have. The motive for a 9/11 is obvious. The administration conveniently and effectively pinned it on Iraq. Even if the American people by and large don't see 9/11 as a conspiracy involving their government, the effects of prolonged war with Iraq and the inability to produce the promised WMDs has weighed heavily on the American psyche. They realize the one lie without taking it to its logical end.

The misnomer here is that an incredible number of people have to be involved with such a conspiracy. Not everyone along the chain has to know what they're doing to pull off such an operation. As long as the need to feel justified in what they do is satisfied, those that merely follow orders can deal with their own conscience effectively. Selective media coverage takes care of the general populace.

You're forgetting the power of a few well-placed lies and misdirections on the sociological psyche. The hysteria of hate toward a percieved enemy is overpowering to any objective perception. In the book 1984 it is called the "Two Minutes Hate". They even have "Hate Week" every so often to continue these nationalistic sentiments and keep people's judgements clouded in this way.]



I mean, if they were capable of such a feat...you'd thnk they would have operatives surfing the net and putting out websites to counter the enormous amount of 9/11 conspiracy theory. Hell, they would probably cast people like ETS away.

[I think there are plenty of people online with the sole purpose of obfuscating and muddling the truth. There are thousands of 'Winstons' out there whose sole JOB is to combat people like me who question these things and make their opinions public. The catch is, Bush doesn't have the political grounds to completely repeal the first amendment. He can't legally stop freedom of speech. The best he can hope for at this point is to limit it as much as possible by creating an environment where people won't speak their mind for fear of being labeled a 'terrorist' or a hater of America. The thing is, people don't even have to consciously fear it for it to be effective. Most will follow the path of least resistence and never be the wiser.]



Or better yet, organize small-scale attacks here and there to revive people's fear. If they were able to bomb NYC with commercial jets and hide it in front of everyeone, why can't they leave a briefcase with explosives near a pizza shop to deflect the public attention from Iraq, Katrina and other failures?

[Remember, you said yourself these things take planning, and even a government conspiracy is not going to be without flaws. You're also forgetting that a culture of fear DOES prevail here in America! We have the 'terror alert' system. We have NSA spying. We have people from the administration selling out CIA agents who dissent from their way. We have constant misdirection in our media. Constant reports of possible terrorism. We have people being arrested and charged with NO CRIME, then carted off to Guantanamo Bay indefinitely. The fear of criticising Bush is evidenced by the very fact that even French-Canadians will jump your ass for harping on him, because in the internet generation if it's 5 minutes old it's no longer 'news' and no longer worthy of discussion.]

Come to think of it, why would they make such a complex operation when they could've just loaded the WTC with explosive and blame it on Al Qaeda. Sure boeings slamming into buildings was more spectacular but the risk of being caught is a bit too high and it severed the U.S. airline industry quite a bit....what's the point?

[The airline industry is not profitable anyway. It's only government subsidies that keep it going. Besides, one look at our budget deficits the last 5 years should tell you how much the government cares about 'profitability'. But you've hit on another point in the 9/11 conspiracy often neglected - the sudden fall of the specific airline stocks involved in the attacks right before 9/11. http://www.nationalreview.com/rose/rose200407260700.asp]

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:51:12 (#)
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I dunno, I would personally be absolutely exhausted arguing with everyone on a daily basis about this shit.
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That's probaby why he lost perspective a long time ago.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:51:12 EDT (#)
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I dunno, I would personally be absolutely exhausted arguing with everyone on a daily basis about this shit. Gotta give him credit for being so fucking stubborn or passionate, I suppose.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:12:07 (#)
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This doesn't 'smack down' a damned thing.

This site is trying to debunk what a PHYSICIST says about the possibility of thermite bringing the buildings down. The physicist's theory is based on the collapse time of the buildings, which he conservatively estimated at 12 seconds.

The authors of that site point to seizmic data to extend this time to 15 seconds, forgetting that seismic waves bounce and continue in duration through the ground even after a building has physically collapsed. It's just like an echo. If you scream at the top of your lungs in a canyon, the reverberations will continue long after you've physically stopped screaming.

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"There are seismic, video and audio clues that suggest the towers actually took something closer to 15 seconds to fall, perhaps even longer." So you are ignoring everything except the seismic? You don't think they can tell the difference between an original wave and a reverberation?

What about the rest of the article where they question his figure for the amount of thermite needed, you just going to ignore that? The fact are pretty fucking clear that his theory is completely impossible.

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Completely impossible? Why? When's the last time you played with thermite? What are they basing their information on if not scientific experiments that have been verified by independent sources?
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Are you fucking retarted? What the fuck do you have in your head?

In his theory you need 762.5 kg of thermite for the lesser columns 1524.9 kg for the largest. And he doesn't take into account the increase of specific heat for Fe when you raise the temp, so you would need even more thermite. There was no room around the columns for this thermite. His theory is 100% wrong and if you weren't so stupid or narrow sighted you could see that.

I don't need to play with thermite to know this, and that is stupid question to ask. You have never played with thermite why should you comment on it. At least I have a back ground in explosives and a degree in mechanical engineering.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:42:54 EDT (#)
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thx wardy :-)

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:42:38 EDT (#)
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Hey buddy, since you know everything, can you answer that? http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1958655

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:41:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:29:07 (#)
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This will be the last time I respond to your insipid post and your tortured and inaccurate attempts to defend your verbal diarrhea.

First you said this:

"...'Cognitive Dissonance' is what happens when the signs are so large and the clues so obvious and numerous as to be 'hiding in plain sight'. The human mind passes over them as if they are nonexistant. This is because our minds can only process and assimilate so much information at once and the forces of evil are allowed to run amok right under our noses. The senses become overloaded with so much disparate information that the mind is no longer able to distinguish between truth and fiction, namely because one cannot specifically recall which came first, or which history to believe."

You were wrong and I and a few others corrected you. Then you tried to defend an indefensible
Position with this feeble and inaccurate justification:

"...It doesn't take a fucking PhD to understand cognitive dissonance. Read two paragraphs and you can gain an understanding of it. What I said in this post was an artistic interpretation of other phenomena associated with cognitive dissonance.

If you'll notice, I said "cognitive dissonance is what happens WHEN..." meaning I am posing a relationship between the cognitive dissonance phenomena and other closely related, consequential phenomena."

O.K. let's take this step by step. It is true that cognitive dissonance is a fairly simple theory to understand, that is why it is baffling to me how you could misuse it so completely. Anyhow, a artistic interpretation of a scientific explanation is ludicrous. The less said about that steaming pile of sophistry the better.

In your second justification you try to sell the idea that cognitive dissonance is a phenomenon not a scientific theory. Again a total pile of horseshit. Actually I not going to waste anymore time with you, you refuse to admit you are wrong and continue to spout pseudo intellectual babble.

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If it's a scientific theory, then that theory can be expanded and elaborated upon to encompass its causes and effects, is that not correct? I didn't 'misuse' it. I admittedly went liberal with the specific definition of it. In hindsight, I should have used the term 'sensory overload', but this is closely related to cognitive dissonance in that it deals directly with the mind's ability to make decisions based on preconceived notions in the face of challenges to such notions.

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:38:50 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/87344#1958655 -- ets will probably never respond to this. why? because he can't.

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This doesn't 'smack down' a damned thing.

This site is trying to debunk what a PHYSICIST says about the possibility of thermite bringing the buildings down. The physicist's theory is based on the collapse time of the buildings, which he conservatively estimated at 12 seconds.

The authors of that site point to seizmic data to extend this time to 15 seconds, forgetting that seismic waves bounce and continue in duration through the ground even after a building has physically collapsed. It's just like an echo. If you scream at the top of your lungs in a canyon, the reverberations will continue long after you've physically stopped screaming.

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"There are seismic, video and audio clues that suggest the towers actually took something closer to 15 seconds to fall, perhaps even longer." So you are ignoring everything except the seismic? You don't think they can tell the difference between an original wave and a reverberation?

What about the rest of the article where they question his figure for the amount of thermite needed, you just going to ignore that? The fact are pretty fucking clear that his theory is completely impossible.

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Completely impossible? Why? When's the last time you played with thermite? What are they basing their information on if not scientific experiments that have been verified by independent sources?

See, this is what I'm saying...there isn't such a thing as independent investiagtion in this case.

That's because such an investigation would be impossible. If our government were involved - the very people charged with such investigations and access to evidence - all information is in question until witnessed for oneself. I know only what I can see from the available information of that day, namely the pictures of the events. The government can quote all the physicists or 'experts' from all the federally-funded institutions or sympathetic sources they want, but it doesn't negate the fact that others equally qualified disagree. The only way to resolve the conflict would be to OPEN AN INDEPENDENT SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION. Unfortunately, in this day and age, that's pretty much impossible. Government is so big, it can control what gets printed, what gets thrown away, what gets 'discredited', what gets propped up and taken as gospel.

A person with a clear mind, unfettered by preconceptions of what the 'official story' is, will see the same disparities I see when watching the video evidence alone. It's objective and it's there. If I'm crazy, so be it. But not about this. I know what I see and what I hear. I've lived on this planet now for 29 years...long enough to be able to reason through an argument and pick out the holes in it. Even if I'd never read a single thing regarding physics, a layman's approach to the recorded evidence, especially the objective video evidence, is more than enough to raise serious questions that are so powerful as to be verging on complete conclusions.


Watch this and see it with your own eyes: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8253755118698983122&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true

30 minutes of your lives to see truth with your own two eyes. Is that too much to ask?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:29:44 EDT (#)
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What pisses me off more than anything is that they might actually fool some people who might have stood a chance at seeing the true nature of the debate and the fact that I have fully confronted every naysayer with every piece of presented counter-evidence. """

You say there is debate when you say in the same sentence that you have "pwned" every nay-sayer. I thought nay-saying was part of debating. So what's the nature of your debate? Agreeing with you and arguing who we'll execute our coup d'état? I don't get it.

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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:29:07 EDT (#)
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This will be the last time I respond to your insipid post and your tortured and inaccurate attempts to defend your verbal diarrhea.

First you said this:

"...'Cognitive Dissonance' is what happens when the signs are so large and the clues so obvious and numerous as to be 'hiding in plain sight'. The human mind passes over them as if they are nonexistant. This is because our minds can only process and assimilate so much information at once and the forces of evil are allowed to run amok right under our noses. The senses become overloaded with so much disparate information that the mind is no longer able to distinguish between truth and fiction, namely because one cannot specifically recall which came first, or which history to believe."

You were wrong and I and a few others corrected you. Then you tried to defend an indefensible
Position with this feeble and inaccurate justification:

"...It doesn't take a fucking PhD to understand cognitive dissonance. Read two paragraphs and you can gain an understanding of it. What I said in this post was an artistic interpretation of other phenomena associated with cognitive dissonance.

If you'll notice, I said "cognitive dissonance is what happens WHEN..." meaning I am posing a relationship between the cognitive dissonance phenomena and other closely related, consequential phenomena."

O.K. let's take this step by step. It is true that cognitive dissonance is a fairly simple theory to understand, that is why it is baffling to me how you could misuse it so completely. Anyhow, a artistic interpretation of a scientific explanation is ludicrous. The less said about that steaming pile of sophistry the better.

In your second justification you try to sell the idea that cognitive dissonance is a phenomenon not a scientific theory. Again a total pile of horseshit. Actually I not going to waste anymore time with you, you refuse to admit you are wrong and continue to spout pseudo intellectual babble.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:28:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:41:32 (#)
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That fire was almost every floor of the building and spanned the entire length of the building.

Look in the index. They talk baout Silversteen's quote. He never said pull the building down, he said pull it, and that was after talking to the fire chief. What is more likely that he was using the fireman's lingo for pull to mean pull the people out, or he was talkig like a demolitions expert.

You are retarted.


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"WE'VE HAD SUCH LOSS OF LIFE ALREADY, MAYBE THE BEST THING TO DO IS JUST PULL IT." - Larry Silverstein

He's not talking about getting people out of the fucking buildings. A fire chief doesn't NEED Larry Fucking Silverstein to tell him when to get people out of a building.


If someone wants to listen to Indoninja, that's your prerogative, but I suggest looking at the video yourselves:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4429289437231286745&q=9%2F11 Open the video file and go to timecode 23:45. If nothing else whould debunk the "DEBUNKERS", it should be that clip right there! It shows the OWNER of WTC, Larry Silverstein ADMITTING he told officials to "pull it", meaning to demolish the building with explosives.

Remember, Larry Silverstein is a real estate developer. He knows very well what "pull it" means.

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"Problem #1, Larry Silverstein is not a demolition contractor, neither was the fire department chief, so why should we assume they'd be using slang demolition terms?

Problem #2, Silverstein says "they made that decision to pull", for instance -- the Fire Department. If "pull" means "demolish", then he's saying the Fire Department may not have decided to bring the building down if they couldn't contain the fire, but because it was beyond them, they decided to blow it up. Does this make sense? Not in the slightest.

Problem #3, Silverstein is suggesting that the decision to demolish the building was optional. It might not have happened. Does this fit with the idea of a convenient insurance scam? No, not at all.

Problem #4, why would the Fire Department willingly agree to engage in a multi-million dollar insurance fraud?

Problem #5, and since when do Fire Departments blow up buildings anyway?

Problem #6, and if it's so obvious that WTC7 was demolished, then why are the insurance companies not suing Silverstein for fraud?

Problem #7, and why would Silverstein admit this on television?

You could argue that this is just Silverstein's cover story, he didn't really mean all that, he wasn't speaking to the Fire Department, but then the situation is becoming even more complicated. What are we supposed to believe: that he accidentally let slip the truth in "pull it", while lying elsewhere? What is the basis for picking out two words in this account as reliable, and dismissing most of the others?

We prefer a simpler solution. And if "pull it" means "pull people away from the building", then the problems certainly fall away. This decision to pull really is optional, for instance (they could decide to try and fight it, or not). And it's a decision that could, and would be made by the Fire Department. With this interpretation we don't have to pick out some words, or throw any others away, and the answer actually makes sense."


And onec again we are back to the problem of all the hundreds of firemen and police officers that would have to lie to cover this up, not to mention the people who actually set up the demolition explosives in the first place.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:26:43 EDT (#)
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Both the official story and the 9/11 cover-up theory present arguments.

To me, the arguments that tip the scale largely in favor of the official story have nothing to do with Building-7 or thermite or remote control planes.

The main argument is, if the U.S. government was capable to pull off an operation of that magnitude, with so many people involve, how come there is such a large group of people who think 9/11 was a coverup? How come the current administration is so unpopular?

I mean, if they were capable of such a feat...you'd thnk they would have operatives surfing the net and putting out websites to counter the enormous amount of 9/11 conspiracy theory. Hell, they would probably cast people like ETS away.

Or better yet, organize small-scale attacks here and there to revive people's fear. If they were able to bomb NYC with commercial jets and hide it in front of everyeone, why can't they leave a briefcase with explosives near a pizza shop to deflect the public attention from Iraq, Katrina and other failures?

Come to think of it, why would they make such a complex operation when they could've just loaded the WTC with explosive and blame it on Al Qaeda. Sure boeings slamming into buildings was more spectacular but the risk of being caught is a bit too high and it severed the U.S. airline industry quite a bit....what's the point?


I could go on and on. The conspiracy theorists bring up arguments and some motives here and there but they completly fail to encompass the whole picture, which is why I'm sticking with the official story.

ETS will probably answer these questions by saying: "Dude, you are so fucking bling! Can't you see?! Pfffft! Fucking zombie...yeah, perceft case of cognitive dissonance post hoc ergo propter hoc supra atomic defenestration (I'm trying to look intelligent)"

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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:24:24 EDT (#)
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It doesn't take a fucking PhD to understand cognitive dissonance. Read two paragraphs and you can gain an understanding of it. What I said in this post was an artistic interpretation of other phenomena associated with cognitive dissonance.
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'Artistic interpretation of OTHER phenomena associated with CD.....'

Or to you and me...

"I, was in fact wrong"

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:23:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:28:44 (#)
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are you looking to start your own cult? because when I read that it fits you pretty well too.

what you don't realize is that most people are laid back and approach issues with care.

not everybody is like those rare Bush lovers or anti-everything lunatics like you.

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People that start cults don't give away their own m.o.

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This doesn't 'smack down' a damned thing.

This site is trying to debunk what a PHYSICIST says about the possibility of thermite bringing the buildings down. The physicist's theory is based on the collapse time of the buildings, which he conservatively estimated at 12 seconds.

The authors of that site point to seizmic data to extend this time to 15 seconds, forgetting that seismic waves bounce and continue in duration through the ground even after a building has physically collapsed. It's just like an echo. If you scream at the top of your lungs in a canyon, the reverberations will continue long after you've physically stopped screaming.

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"There are seismic, video and audio clues that suggest the towers actually took something closer to 15 seconds to fall, perhaps even longer." So you are ignoring everything except the seismic? You don't think they can tell the difference between an original wave and a reverberation?

What about the rest of the article where they question his figure for the amount of thermite needed, you just going to ignore that? The fact are pretty fucking clear that his theory is completely impossible.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:17:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:08:18 (#)
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Can't we all just nod and smile and pretend to agree with Bradley so he'll shut the fuck up already? That's all he wants anyway, everyone to tell him he's right. Maybe then he'll move on to other things.

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No, Method, I don't expect some people to ever 'get it'. It's not about them at all. It's about these assholes like Indoninja and Caul who THINK they have debunked something I've said, when they haven't.

What pisses me off more than anything is that they might actually fool some people who might have stood a chance at seeing the true nature of the debate and the fact that I have fully confronted every naysayer with every piece of presented counter-evidence.

It's like being in the middle of a trial where the lawyers are trying to do cross-examinations and having someone constantly burst through the courtroom naked screaming "PRAISE TO THE BLUE MEN!"

It's just a distraction.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:46:31 (#)
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http://www.911myths.com/html/grimmer__thermite_and_the_wtc.html


This is another good one that you is simple enough that you might be able to get it.

Take the time and actually read the site it puts the smack down on every single argument you ever made.

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This doesn't 'smack down' a damned thing.

This site is trying to debunk what a PHYSICIST says about the possibility of thermite bringing the buildings down. The physicist's theory is based on the collapse time of the buildings, which he conservatively estimated at 12 seconds.

The authors of that site point to seizmic data to extend this time to 15 seconds, forgetting that seismic waves bounce and continue in duration through the ground even after a building has physically collapsed. It's just like an echo. If you scream at the top of your lungs in a canyon, the reverberations will continue long after you've physically stopped screaming.

Next.

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:10:35 EDT (#)
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Perhaps you should try some drugs and watch them. Maybe then you'll calm the fuck down.

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Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:09:47 EDT (#)
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Alice In Wonderland and The Wizard of OZ are nothing but drug movies.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:08:18 EDT (#)
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Can't we all just nod and smile and pretend to agree with Bradley so he'll shut the fuck up already? That's all he wants anyway, everyone to tell him he's right. Maybe then he'll move on to other things.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 12:05:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:41:32 (#)
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That fire was almost every floor of the building and spanned the entire length of the building.

Look in the index. They talk baout Silversteen's quote. He never said pull the building down, he said pull it, and that was after talking to the fire chief. What is more likely that he was using the fireman's lingo for pull to mean pull the people out, or he was talkig like a demolitions expert.

You are retarted.


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"WE'VE HAD SUCH LOSS OF LIFE ALREADY, MAYBE THE BEST THING TO DO IS JUST PULL IT." - Larry Silverstein

He's not talking about getting people out of the fucking buildings. A fire chief doesn't NEED Larry Fucking Silverstein to tell him when to get people out of a building.


If someone wants to listen to Indoninja, that's your prerogative, but I suggest looking at the video yourselves:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4429289437231286745&q=9%2F11 Open the video file and go to timecode 23:45. If nothing else whould debunk the "DEBUNKERS", it should be that clip right there! It shows the OWNER of WTC, Larry Silverstein ADMITTING he told officials to "pull it", meaning to demolish the building with explosives.

Remember, Larry Silverstein is a real estate developer. He knows very well what "pull it" means.






http://www.ubersite.com/m/85963#1907084
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:47:13 (#)
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The whole Building 7 thing has a really big 1984 feeling to it. We have both Larry Silverstein and FEMA who are on the Official Truth side.

Larry Silverstein claims that the building was pulled, and then later denies it, claiming it was fire that brought it down...

THE BUILDING WAS NEVER DEMOLISHED, IT FELL DOWN BY ITSELF, LARRY SILVERSTEIN NEVER SAID ANYTHING AND WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EURASIA!

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:46:31 EDT (#)
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http://www.911myths.com/html/grimmer__thermite_and_the_wtc.html


This is another good one that you is simple enough that you might be able to get it.

Take the time and actually read the site it puts the smack down on every single argument you ever made.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:41:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:31:17 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:17:03 (#)
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http://www.911myths.com/index.html


And you theory on building #7 in particular.

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html

Tell me that building looks ok. Stop linking to fucking whackhjobs who only show a picture of one side of the building. I mean are you really that stupid?

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There are maybe 2 fires in that photo. There is no jet fuel in this building, which was the stated reason the big buildings collapsed. That fire you're looking at DID NOT and COULD NOT cause the collapse.

Plus, you're completely disregarding Silverstien's quote that he told them to PULL the building down!

This is at LEAST fishy enough ALONE to warrant a total independent investigation of the government role in the events of that day.

Start throwing in other facts and you begin to see the general mode here... COVERUP. The fact that no plane was recovered at the Pentagon and only 5 grainy frames of footage of the supposed 'aircraft' hitting the building have ever been released, despite the fact that footage was confiscated from neighboring hotels and gas stations and the Pentagon sports the most covered grounds in terms of security cameras of any building on the face of the planet. Why can't the public see the plane? There were cameras on the roof! Why not show us the 'plane' approaching!?

Why? Because there was no plane. That's why.

Next.
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That fire was almost every floor of the building and spanned the entire length of the building.

Look in the index. They talk baout Silversteen's quote. He never said pull the building down, he said pull it, and that was after talking to the fire chief. What is more likely that he was using the fireman's lingo for pull to mean pull the people out, or he was talkig like a demolitions expert.

You are retarted.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:37:23 EDT (#)
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Your numeric girlfriend is right:

#92 = They can't just be normal good people; they have to be moral titans, playing out grand heroic roles in an epic cosmic moral melodrama.

#96 = Threats of bodily harm or death to someone who criticizes the cult.

That reminds me of someone...

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:34:18 EDT (#)
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you really are reaching for attention again, aren't you...

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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:33:36 EDT (#)
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Brad, read 92, 93 and 96 again. You're on shaky ground here.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:33:33 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:30:33 (#)
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Do you really consider the US government to be a dictatorship/cult?
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ETS fails to realize that the US government is just about the most transparent one in the world.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:32:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:30:33 (#)
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Do you really consider the US government to be a dictatorship/cult?

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I think the American sense of patriotism is the same as the sense of blind loyalty cult members feel toward their leaders.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:31:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:17:03 (#)
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http://www.911myths.com/index.html


And you theory on building #7 in particular.

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html

Tell me that building looks ok. Stop linking to fucking whackhjobs who only show a picture of one side of the building. I mean are you really that stupid?

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There are maybe 2 fires in that photo. There is no jet fuel in this building, which was the stated reason the big buildings collapsed. That fire you're looking at DID NOT and COULD NOT cause the collapse.

Plus, you're completely disregarding Silverstien's quote that he told them to PULL the building down!

This is at LEAST fishy enough ALONE to warrant a total independent investigation of the government role in the events of that day.

Start throwing in other facts and you begin to see the general mode here... COVERUP. The fact that no plane was recovered at the Pentagon and only 5 grainy frames of footage of the supposed 'aircraft' hitting the building have ever been released, despite the fact that footage was confiscated from neighboring hotels and gas stations and the Pentagon sports the most covered grounds in terms of security cameras of any building on the face of the planet. Why can't the public see the plane? There were cameras on the roof! Why not show us the 'plane' approaching!?

Why? Because there was no plane. That's why.

Next.

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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:30:33 EDT (#)
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Do you really consider the US government to be a dictatorship/cult?

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:29:57 EDT (#)
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maybe ets watched V for Vendetta and thinks he's the hero

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:28:44 EDT (#)
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are you looking to start your own cult? because when I read that it fits you pretty well too.

what you don't realize is that most people are laid back and approach issues with care.

not everybody is like those rare Bush lovers or anti-everything lunatics like you.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:23:40 EDT (#)
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The Cult Test
Questions 91 to 100

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q9.html

The government, more specifically the Bush administration after 9/11, was/is the 'cult' here. Look at #11 and #12 concerning sensory overload and cognitive dissonance.





94. The use of heavy-duty mind control and rapid conversion techniques
like:

1. sleep deprivation;2
2. malnutrition;3
3. drugs;4
4. guilt-induction, especially through guilt-inducing confession sessions or self-criticism sessions;
5. inducing a sense of powerlessness and helplessness;
6. indoctrination with "group training" or "group therapy" sessions which feature enforced conformity and group-think;
7. "time and environment control" --
* being kept totally occupied, all of the time, day and night, with cult-oriented tasks, and
* seclusion, isolation from outside influences, isolation from outside soures of information, total immersion in the cult;
8. mind-altering and thought-stopping techniques like prolonged praying, chanting, or meditation, or prolonged repetition of cult dogma, which, when used excessively, induce a state of high suggestibility;
9. thought-stopping clichés, slogans, and deceptive euphemisms;
10. bombastic redescription of the familiar -- i.e. "loaded language":
* We aren't recruiting for the cult, we are "Bringing souls to God" or "helping others selflessly".
* We aren't raising money for the cult, we are "Practicing sankirtan" or "Serving the Lord".
* We aren't cheating strangers out of money; we are sharing an opportunity for them to Serve the Lord.
* He didn't leave the cult; he "went Tai-Tan" or "fell from Grace" or "is trapped in Samsara".
11. sensory overload and information overload -- forcing acceptance of complex new doctrines, goals and definitions to replace the recruit's old values by expecting the new recruit to assimilate masses of information quickly with little or no opportunity for critical examination;
12. use of the cognitive dissonance technique: behavior, attitudes, beliefs and feelings are interconnected, and if you force a change in one (like behavior), it will force a change in the others (like beliefs, feelings, and attitudes);
13. social definition of reality -- the cult defines reality and what the truth really is and what good and bad are;
14. avoidance of negativity and suppression of dissent -- "Critical thought is disruptive" -- accompanied by encouragement of giddy positivity: "It Works!";
15. love bombing;
16. instant community -- the cult is your instant new family and instant new trusted friends;
17. instant hierarchy -- you suddenly have some "wonderful" new leaders;
18. instant intimacy -- you shouldn't keep any secrets from your new family or from your new trusted leaders;
19. appeals to "holy" or "wise" authorities;
20. personal testimonies of earlier converts;
21. commitment by default;
22. contrast identity -- us versus them -- "us good people act like this, and those bad people act like that";
23. actionizing -- putting faith into action -- usually by proselytizing, recruiting and fund-raising.

A program like that is brainwashing, pure and simple.

(Please note that a good brainwashing and rapid-conversion program requires most of those things, especially the first 14; just one or two of them, like sleep deprivation, or being kept busy all of the time, won't brainwash you.)

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:19:32 EDT (#)
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WHERE? """

Plenty of counter arguments were provided on your posts and many websites were posted. I won't be bothered to read through all 9/11 posts which most their reviews consist of you saying that you're so fucking smarter than us.

My girlfriend thinks it's a cover up. I don't care and she doesn't care that I don't think it's one. She's a seperatist, I'm not. We get along fine. Half my family is hardcore christian, the other is atheist. There isn't any problem.

So let me ask you. Why does it bother you that much that people don't believe in the same things that you do?

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:17:03 EDT (#)
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http://www.911myths.com/index.html


And you theory on building #7 in particular.

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html

Tell me that building looks ok. Stop linking to fucking whackhjobs who only show a picture of one side of the building. I mean are you really that stupid?

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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:16:16 EDT (#)
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Cognitive dissonance can refer to Columbus initially praising the Indians for their intelligence and strength, but when it came time to exploit and kill them, he called them brutish and evil. It's a psychological defense mechanism when you have to go against your beliefs for personal benefit and not admit to yourself that you're wrong.

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Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:12:15 EDT (#)
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Drugs are bad.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:11:11 EDT (#)
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You people are sleepwalking from where I'm standing...mesmerized by an overwhelming onslaught of media misdirection. """

"YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING RETARDED ZOMBIES....PLEASE LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY? WHAT WON'T YOU LISTEN YOU FUCKING IDIOTS?...I HAVE AN ATTITUDE PROBLEM...WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!"

I wonder what kind of education you recieved.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:08:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:05:22 (#)
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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:56:55 (#)
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Alright shithead (I'm talking to you ETS). Let me explain cognitive dissonance to you, Try to keep up. First let me establish that I, unlike you, am completely credible. I have one M Ed and I am working on another so I am familiar with the theory of cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them. It makes the generation of appropriate dissonance into a major feature of tutorial (and other) teaching. Therefore your idea that the mind merely glosses over facts is completely wrong.


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hahaahahahah how many times do people who actually know what they're talking about embarass ETS before he stops babbling about things he doesn't know? I mean, it's been done over and over and over again, yet he STILL persists. I'm betting money that he doesn't even respond to the above comment, because he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

God this is all incredibly amusing

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It doesn't take a fucking PhD to understand cognitive dissonance. Read two paragraphs and you can gain an understanding of it. What I said in this post was an artistic interpretation of other phenomena associated with cognitive dissonance.

If you'll notice, I said "cognitive dissonance is what happens WHEN..." meaning I am posing a relationship between the cognitive dissonance phenomena and other closely related, consequential phenomena.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:05:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:55:49 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:41:18 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:20:56 (#)
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Take your pick, but I recommend starting at the top and watching all of these. Until you at least ATTEMPT to do so, your opposition to me is based more on my inadequacy in relating their contents and less to do with actual truth."""

I watched all these videos before you started mentionning them on Uber. I don't need you to sastify my curiosity.

While they were somewhat interesting and raised interrogations, they all had spooky music, hosts with little credibility and most importantly, failed to convince me since it takes me more than a bunch of cherry-picked unverified "facts" mixed together to believe in something.

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Perfect case of cognitive dissonance.
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Perfect case of arrogant little douchebag that needs a swift kick in the face.

Like I said, these theories have been debunked over and over.

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WHERE?

Show me a website that challenges the 9/11 conspiracy and I'll go through each and every claim they make and cut them to shreds or present an alternate, equally plausible alternative.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:05:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:56:55 (#)
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Alright shithead (I'm talking to you ETS). Let me explain cognitive dissonance to you, Try to keep up. First let me establish that I, unlike you, am completely credible. I have one M Ed and I am working on another so I am familiar with the theory of cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them. It makes the generation of appropriate dissonance into a major feature of tutorial (and other) teaching. Therefore your idea that the mind merely glosses over facts is completely wrong.


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hahaahahahah how many times do people who actually know what they're talking about embarass ETS before he stops babbling about things he doesn't know? I mean, it's been done over and over and over again, yet he STILL persists. I'm betting money that he doesn't even respond to the above comment, because he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

God this is all incredibly amusing

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 11:03:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:52:08 (#)
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Read what Caul said below. And read the definition of 'cognitive dissonance'.

Ask yourselves...

"Do *I* fail to consider things critically like Caul?" """

Why do I fail, because I didn't come up with the same conclusions?

"Do *I* disregard new information if it's inconvenient to me, refusing to investigate further, or admitting a possibility where one clearly exists?" """

I don't disregard new information. It just doesn't convince me. The 9/11 cover-up story is a far cry from an establish fact.

"Can I be sure that what I think is NOT the result of extensive propaganda and is, indeed, TRUTH?"

Who says you're not the victim the of proganda. Spooky music and cherry-pick unverified facts are usually a good way to play with people's mind.


In conclusion, you are one patronizing little bitch. You have convinced yourself that everybody who thinks like you will be a great thinker or else he's a stupid dog.

Way to go, buddy.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:59:38 EDT (#)
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That was refering to 9/11.

The evidence of a conspiracy is overwhelming. Anyone who takes the time to watch the videos and consider the evidence presented can plainly see that.

You've all attempted to link to articles 'debunking' what they refer to as the 'conspiracy theory' behind 9/11, but they are NOT adequate in addressing the facts I can see with my OWN EYES!

Having a United Airlines security 'expert' come on your program and look at a picture of the bottom of one of those planes and say UNEQUIVOCALLY "I knew as soon as I saw the bottom of the airplane by the markings it was a United airplane", and then being able to personally COMPARE the very same photograph to an ACTUAL United Airlines jet, there is no doubt in my mind what's going on here.

This is a coverup of historic proportions. The very fact they are actually trying to change what people SEE is absolutely FASCINATING to me. They are succeeding!

You people are sleepwalking from where I'm standing...mesmerized by an overwhelming onslaught of media misdirection.

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:59:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:52:08 (#)
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Read what Caul said below. And read the definition of 'cognitive dissonance'.

Ask yourselves...

"Do *I* fail to consider things critically like Caul?"

"Do *I* disregard new information if it's inconvenient to me, refusing to investigate further, or admitting a possibility where one clearly exists?"

"Can I be sure that what I think is NOT the result of extensive propaganda and is, indeed, TRUTH?"






If you don't ask yourselves these questions and at least consider my claims, you are dead as a thinker. You are no better than a dog who is unaware why he is hungry when a bell rings.
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Hahaha!!!!!

You think you are a model of critical thought? And that lets you see the truth about 9/11?

That is hilarious. You are a bumbling idiot that doesn't have the fucking basic tools needed to even understand why your theories are so bad.

You are an insignificant IT desk jockey, you aren't enlightened and you are certainly in no position to lecture others about enlightenment.

You can add educating people to the long list of goals you will never accomplish.

Peace Corp,
Leaving the US,
Sticking it to the man with taxes,
Living off the grid.

Even by your own standards you are a miserable failure.

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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:57:37 EDT (#)
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You are one unbelievabe human being.

You post a meaning of CD which does not fit in with what you said in the post main body....then copy and paste what you said RIGHT BELOW the REAL meaning of it so that we can all clearly see that you got it wrong ...... and then brush it off by saying that you broaden the meaning but do not negate it.

And then wildly clain it is because of CD that we can't see what you can see.

For that logic alone you get a +2 and my cock. Because I'm so gobshacked that anyone who thinks they are intelligent could use that argument on a public forum without feeling shame.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:57:33 EDT (#)
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All the pieces fit. If you got over yourself for a second, you'd see that. """

Coming from you, that's rich, you pompous piece of shit.

Didn't you claim to be a genius and a messenger and compared yourself to Jesus repeatedly?

How many times did you call people fucking idiots and retards and stupid fucks when they didn't agree with you?

Yeah, I really need to get over myself.

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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:56:55 EDT (#)
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Alright shithead (I'm talking to you ETS). Let me explain cognitive dissonance to you, Try to keep up. First let me establish that I, unlike you, am completely credible. I have one M Ed and I am working on another so I am familiar with the theory of cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them. It makes the generation of appropriate dissonance into a major feature of tutorial (and other) teaching. Therefore your idea that the mind merely glosses over facts is completely wrong.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:55:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:41:18 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:20:56 (#)
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Take your pick, but I recommend starting at the top and watching all of these. Until you at least ATTEMPT to do so, your opposition to me is based more on my inadequacy in relating their contents and less to do with actual truth."""

I watched all these videos before you started mentionning them on Uber. I don't need you to sastify my curiosity.

While they were somewhat interesting and raised interrogations, they all had spooky music, hosts with little credibility and most importantly, failed to convince me since it takes me more than a bunch of cherry-picked unverified "facts" mixed together to believe in something.

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Perfect case of cognitive dissonance.
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Perfect case of arrogant little douchebag that needs a swift kick in the face.

Like I said, these theories have been debunked over and over.

I choose to believe the official version. You chose otherwise.

I'd respect your opinion but since you're not willing to respect others' and call people who don't agree with you "sheeps" and "fucking retards" and "perfect cases of cognitive dissonance", you can go fuck yourself, mister.

If there is cognitive dissonance here, it is you who refuse to admit that you are a fucking lunatic with ZERO understandings of human interaction.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:53:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:51:03 (#)
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To ignore ANY information is to admit your own cognitive dissonance, which essentially amounts to the death of critical thought. """

Is that why you ignore valid arguments and only swear by google videos?

I didn't ignore the conspiracy theorists arguments. I just don't believe in them based on my own frame of reference.

Your problem bradley, is that you are guilty of your own accusations. There is just about the same if not more evidence to disprove anyone of your theories, yet you ignore them all and claim to have uncovered a great conspiracy.

Once again, it all comes down to your attitude.

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There is NOT the same amount of evidence to 'disprove' ANYTHING that I say.

All the pieces fit. If you got over yourself for a second, you'd see that.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:52:08 EDT (#)
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Read what Caul said below. And read the definition of 'cognitive dissonance'.

Ask yourselves...

"Do *I* fail to consider things critically like Caul?"

"Do *I* disregard new information if it's inconvenient to me, refusing to investigate further, or admitting a possibility where one clearly exists?"

"Can I be sure that what I think is NOT the result of extensive propaganda and is, indeed, TRUTH?"






If you don't ask yourselves these questions and at least consider my claims, you are dead as a thinker. You are no better than a dog who is unaware why he is hungry when a bell rings.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:51:03 EDT (#)
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To ignore ANY information is to admit your own cognitive dissonance, which essentially amounts to the death of critical thought. """

Is that why you ignore valid arguments and only swear by google videos?

I didn't ignore the conspiracy theorists arguments. I just don't believe in them based on my own frame of reference.

Your problem bradley, is that you are guilty of your own accusations. There is just about the same if not more evidence to disprove anyone of your theories, yet you ignore them all and claim to have uncovered a great conspiracy.

Once again, it all comes down to your attitude.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:41:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:20:56 (#)
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Take your pick, but I recommend starting at the top and watching all of these. Until you at least ATTEMPT to do so, your opposition to me is based more on my inadequacy in relating their contents and less to do with actual truth."""

I watched all these videos before you started mentionning them on Uber. I don't need you to sastify my curiosity.

While they were somewhat interesting and raised interrogations, they all had spooky music, hosts with little credibility and most importantly, failed to convince me since it takes me more than a bunch of cherry-picked unverified "facts" mixed together to believe in something.

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Perfect case of cognitive dissonance.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:39:40 EDT (#)
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hahaah this guy is a riot

ENDLESS entertainment, I tells ya!

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:37:27 EDT (#)
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http://www.learningandteaching.info/learning/dissonance.htm

Cognitive Dissonance


"""Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them.

*** if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning. Even Carl Rogers recognised this. Accommodation is more difficult than Assimilation, in Piaget's terms.

*** and—counter-intuitively, perhaps—if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are less likely to concede that the content of what has been learned is useless, pointless or valueless. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned"."""




Now let's look at what I wrote:

"'Cognitive Dissonance' is what happens when the signs are so large and the clues so obvious and numerous as to be 'hiding in plain sight'. The human mind passes over them as if they are nonexistant. This is because our minds can only process and assimilate so much information at once and the forces of evil are allowed to run amok right under our noses. The senses become overloaded with so much disparate information that the mind is no longer able to distinguish between truth and fiction, namely because one cannot specifically recall which came first, or which history to believe."

This slightly broadens, but does not negate, the definition of 'cognitive dissonance'. Here, I am also accounting for situations when stimuli is so disparate or voluminous that the sensory result is complete shut down and ignoring of any new information.

This is what uber does everytime I mention the 9/11 conspiracy, or any of the other progressive information that contradicts what they've previously been TAUGHT or conditioned to believe. Your 'conventional wisdom' has completely blinded you to other possibilities that are more plausible than the ones you now believe. Your minds will not allow you to accept this new information as more plausible because of the ground-shattering nature of what they mean. You're afraid our very way of life to which we've grown so fucking accustomed will come crashing down around you and the illusion of its bullshit revealed if you see it for what it really is...A GRAND LIE!

In short, we are all dogs, but most of you don't even know it. You're so fucking deluded and full of your own egos, you REFUSE to admit mistakes. You are so afraid of being 'conned' that you will admit or concede NOTHING.

To ignore ANY information is to admit your own cognitive dissonance, which essentially amounts to the death of critical thought.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:20:56 EDT (#)
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Take your pick, but I recommend starting at the top and watching all of these. Until you at least ATTEMPT to do so, your opposition to me is based more on my inadequacy in relating their contents and less to do with actual truth."""

I watched all these videos before you started mentionning them on Uber. I don't need you to sastify my curiosity.

While they were somewhat interesting and raised interrogations, they all had spooky music, hosts with little credibility and most importantly, failed to convince me since it takes me more than a bunch of cherry-picked unverified "facts" mixed together to believe in something.

How is swallowing everything that is in these videos any different than swallowing everything "teh government" feed us?
How are you more enlightened if you follow the same thought process that you're so prone to condemn sheepish people for?

The answer to both of these questions is simple: you are a fucking idiot.

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Submitted by whiskey_jack (user info) at 2006-05-01 10:01:38 EDT (#)
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Don't drink any kool aid buddy.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 21:49:27 (#)
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Look at the bellies of the planes in slow motion. Those were NOT AA jets. Period. The whole fucking thing was staged, from what I can see.
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Well you are right on one count. One of the planes wasn't AA, it was UA.

What the fuck do you know about plane identification?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 21:49:27 (#)
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Look at the bellies of the planes in slow motion. Those were NOT AA jets. Period. The whole fucking thing was staged, from what I can see.
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you mean from what you saw on video.google.com, right?

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Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-05-01 09:22:47 EDT (#)
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I don't agree or disagree with anything you stated, aside from your definition of cognitive dissonance. So my grad school professors and one million psychologists are wrong when they say that cognitive dissonance is a psychological conflict resulting from contradicting beliefs?

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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-05-01 07:54:17 EDT (#)
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Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul? Did you know that the Collective Unconscious truly exists and that by tapping into it through meditation, or cheating by altering the chemical makeup of our brains, we can achieve a state of ESP, allowing us to communicate with one another without speaking?
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Did you know you are completely full of shit?

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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-05-01 00:54:04 EDT (#)
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Nearly EVERYTHING conducts heat. That is precisely what I'm saying. Take 1 I-beam of steel and leave a blow torch firing at one end. The other end is going to heat up right? Now, add to that any surrounding steel, the air, the concrete, and all the other materials that conduct heat energy in essence dissipating it and surely you can see what I mean. I don't know precisely what the elevator shafts in the WTC 1 and 2 buildings were made of, but I venture to guess with some certainty they were composed of thick reinforced concrete, which is a fairly POOR conductor of heat energy by comparison to pure steel. The safest place to have been during the airplane impacts in terms of heat would have been in the elevator shaft, this, again, is not to mention the intense heat of the jet fuel explosions lasted less than 30 seconds. Immediately the heat would have been dissipated into the coller air surrounding the New York City skyline.

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so the safest place to be when a building is burning down is in the elevators? then what the hell are those signs for that say not to use the elevators in case of fire? WHO THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO!!???!?!? YOU??? THE SIGNS!?!?!?!

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-05-01 00:15:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-30 23:04:03 (#)
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Once again I'm not a chav, neither would I be considered unemployed.

I don't think I'll respond to you firther insults, I don't care you don't know me.


And you just talked the biggest load of crap since...well the last time you opened your mouth I suppose.

If you want to convince me that the US govt. did 11/9 you are going to have to come up with something other than thermite. It could not have been thermite.

I'll make one last statement against your blither, but befoer hand I'll say this.

I don't know where you think you got your superior knowledge of science, but you should get a refund. I have never considered myself much of an expert, but I'm a god when compared to the things you suggest.


Metals, like steel alloys, are well known for absorbing and conducting.

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Nearly EVERYTHING conducts heat. That is precisely what I'm saying. Take 1 I-beam of steel and leave a blow torch firing at one end. The other end is going to heat up right? Now, add to that any surrounding steel, the air, the concrete, and all the other materials that conduct heat energy in essence dissipating it and surely you can see what I mean. I don't know precisely what the elevator shafts in the WTC 1 and 2 buildings were made of, but I venture to guess with some certainty they were composed of thick reinforced concrete, which is a fairly POOR conductor of heat energy by comparison to pure steel. The safest place to have been during the airplane impacts in terms of heat would have been in the elevator shaft, this, again, is not to mention the intense heat of the jet fuel explosions lasted less than 30 seconds. Immediately the heat would have been dissipated into the coller air surrounding the New York City skyline.

I'm not even and have NEVER said with any certainty that 1 and 2 were brought down with explosives, but I acknowledge the stark possibility and decry the fact that proper investigations of the steel were NEVER carried out. In fact, the steel, AKA evidence, was loaded on trucks and sold to Asia just as fast as they could cart it out of there. This is NOT the way to conduct an investigation and stinks of coverup.

Furthermore, the facts of building 7 alone, as Williamson pointed out, should be PLENTY EVIDENCE to the objective observer that foul play was afoot, because that building DID NOT experience any of the 'jet fuel' fires that were designated as the culprit in the big buildings, yet it came down in an immediate symmetrical fashion which many demolition experts and laymen alike familiar with such demolitions can only associate with controlled demolition.

I don't even have to mention the fact that Larry Silverstein himself, owner of the entire WTC complex told PBS in a later interview he had told the fire chief to pull the building, and the official FEMA story contradicts that statement TO THIS DAY!

We have plenty of 'official stories' and plenty of pseudo-scientific rhetoric and twisting of the facts, but no serious rebuttal has ever been made to satisfactorily satisfy what my own eyes see when looking at the tapes of that day, nor do they address the eyewitness accounts of firefighters on the ground who said they saw and heard "floor by floor popping out" as if someone had meant to destroy those buildings, nor does it satisfy eyewitness accounts by people at ground zero who saw "MOLTEN STEEL" in the rubble MONTHS after the attack...a phenomena that can ONLY be attributed to the use of explosives such as thermite, which continue to react even in low oxygen environments.

Plus, I've seen enough in the videos I've watched and linked you all to in the past (videos which I'm sure none of you took the time to view critically) which clearly show airplanes not consistent with United Airlines planes, but rather, consistent with military planes sporting attached pods, striking the towers with a curious flash of light directly BEFORE impact, as if some incindiary device had been shot at the buildings.

Watch the tapes and see for yourselves: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8253755118698983122&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5714975155113419363&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&q=9%2F11&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4429289437231286745&q=9%2F11


Take your pick, but I recommend starting at the top and watching all of these. Until you at least ATTEMPT to do so, your opposition to me is based more on my inadequacy in relating their contents and less to do with actual truth.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-30 23:04:03 EDT (#)
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Once again I'm not a chav, neither would I be considered unemployed.

I don't think I'll respond to you firther insults, I don't care you don't know me.


And you just talked the biggest load of crap since...well the last time you opened your mouth I suppose.

If you want to convince me that the US govt. did 11/9 you are going to have to come up with something other than thermite. It could not have been thermite.

I'll make one last statement against your blither, but befoer hand I'll say this.

I don't know where you think you got your superior knowledge of science, but you should get a refund. I have never considered myself much of an expert, but I'm a god when compared to the things you suggest.


Metals, like steel alloys, are well known for absorbing and conducting.

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Submitted by Fungah (user info) at 2006-04-30 22:59:58 EDT (#)
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You will be my ally in the war against evil on uber. RAISE UP THY SWORD!

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 22:58:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-30 22:35:37 (#)
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Do you have any knowledge of basic physics such as heat transference on your planet ETS?

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EXACTAMUNDO!

You answered yourself. Transference of heat. The kind of temperatures to set off the thermite detonators inside an elevator shaft (which has enough clearance to accomodate the thermite necessary to sever the girders and still have a working elevator) would not be achieved unless the explosion took place in a fucking kiln. As we well know, a building full of air and materials such as steel and concrete is NOT a kiln and heat is reapidly dissipated, as was evidenced by the fact that people could be seen STANDING IN THE SCARS on the sides of the buildings before collapse.


Get a fucking job and shut your fucking mouth, chav.

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Submitted by r0fl (user info) at 2006-04-30 22:49:14 EDT (#)
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DCWoody is fucking hilarious.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-30 22:35:37 EDT (#)
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Can you fit enough thermite in an elevator shaft to demolish a building and still have the elevator working on your planet ETS?

Are elevator shafts heat proof on your planet ETS?

Do you have any knowledge of basic physics such as heat transference on your planet ETS?

Can a fucking huge plane crash through a building without damaging the elevator shaft on your planet ETS?

Does there exist a detonator for thermite that isn't set off by heat on your planet ETS?

Do the general rules about heat buildup not apply on your planet ETS?

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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-30 22:28:49 EDT (#)
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Tired indeed.

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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-30 19:20:42 (#)
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Now you're a spiritual elitist?

Does the word "Fucking-know-it-all" mean anything to you?

I like your political posts (general point, not the way you present it with a "I'm right, and the rest of you are all brainwashed" approach). Fuck, I even agree that 9/11 was at the very least known by the government (though i don't see why you make such arguements about the Twin Towers [which I have to admit, is very argueable data {and don't even get me started on how you're now talking about how they're military aircraft now}] when WTC7 holds the best evidence.)

/Tangent

Point is, I get this feeling from you that you honestly believe you hold all the answers (and I know your answer to this will be "I don't hold all the answers. No man can.", and you'll say it with a smug overtone like you're proving some great philosophical point and everybody is below your state of mental being). You're no more enlightened in life then the rest of us.

Bah.

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Look at the bellies of the planes in slow motion. Those were NOT AA jets. Period. The whole fucking thing was staged, from what I can see. Throw the fact that Marvin Bush was running security and the pieces just fall right into place just as pretty as the buildings fell to the ground in 10 seconds.

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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-30 21:41:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 18:21:51 (#)
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No it wouldn't have. The fire was in the main floors of the building, the thermite was tucked away in the elevator shafts.
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the thermite WAS tucked away in the elevator shafts.

WAS WAS WAS WAS WAS WAS WAS WAS!

Is there NO room for doubt ETS? None at all? Jesus fucking christ man get a life, or at the very least kill yourself and do US all a favor. You're no one special, just accept that YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG ABOUT SHIT SOME(ALL THE) TIME. It'll make life easier for you, and I don't know if you believe all the crazy shit that you preach, but I've seen insane people who could follow logic and reality better then you can. If you have it all planned out that if a bomb was put in the elevator shaft of the WTC buildings and THAT caused them to collapse INSTEAD of the god damned planes then you are a motherfucking waste of life and need to DIE.

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Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-04-30 21:24:22 EDT (#)
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That's some funky shit.

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Submitted by georgemichael (user info) at 2006-04-30 19:42:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-30 19:20:42 (#)
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I get this feeling from you that you honestly believe you hold all the answers (and I know your answer to this will be "I don't hold all the answers. No man can.", and you'll say it with a smug overtone like you're proving some great philosophical point and everybody is below your state of mental being). You're no more enlightened in life then the rest of us.

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But Williamson, child, No Man can have all the answers. :)

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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-30 19:20:42 EDT (#)
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Now you're a spiritual elitist?

Does the word "Fucking-know-it-all" mean anything to you?

I like your political posts (general point, not the way you present it with a "I'm right, and the rest of you are all brainwashed" approach). Fuck, I even agree that 9/11 was at the very least known by the government (though i don't see why you make such arguements about the Twin Towers [which I have to admit, is very argueable data {and don't even get me started on how you're now talking about how they're military aircraft now}] when WTC7 holds the best evidence.)

/Tangent

Point is, I get this feeling from you that you honestly believe you hold all the answers (and I know your answer to this will be "I don't hold all the answers. No man can.", and you'll say it with a smug overtone like you're proving some great philosophical point and everybody is below your state of mental being). You're no more enlightened in life then the rest of us.

Bah.

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Submitted by r0fl (user info) at 2006-04-30 18:26:41 EDT (#)
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+2 For rainbow diarrhea.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 18:21:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 17:01:15 (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-30 15:05:58 (#)
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And I still neither know nor care what you lot are blathering on about.

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You neither know nor care, yet you can somehow disprove me?

Shut. the. fuck. up.

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I was talking about my responses to your previous posts you fucking retard.


I prooved that..for example...Thermite couldn't have been used to demolish the WTC and neither could traditional explosives...


Recap? Traditional explosives would have shown on seismographs and the fire would have set off any thermite seconds after it started.

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No it wouldn't have. The fire was in the main floors of the building, the thermite was tucked away in the elevator shafts.

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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-04-30 17:47:45 EDT (#)
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I'll be a lot more inclined to tolerate your "you people haven't disproved/achieved" anything talk if you'd actually reply to my reply rather than just acknowledging your respect for it. But whatever, it's no biggy.

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And I still neither know nor care what you lot are blathering on about.

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Shut. the. fuck. up.

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I was talking about my responses to your previous posts you fucking retard.


I prooved that..for example...Thermite couldn't have been used to demolish the WTC and neither could traditional explosives...


Recap? Traditional explosives would have shown on seismographs and the fire would have set off any thermite seconds after it started.

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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-30 17:21:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 14:17:06 (#)
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REpo man?
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Thanks for ruining it. Bastard.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 17:01:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-30 15:05:58 (#)
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And I still neither know nor care what you lot are blathering on about.

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You neither know nor care, yet you can somehow disprove me?

Shut. the. fuck. up.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 17:00:26 EDT (#)
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You haven't 'disproven' a goddamn thing.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-30 15:05:58 EDT (#)
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And I still neither know nor care what you lot are blathering on about.

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-30 15:04:27 EDT (#)
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ETS, the recent 'discussions' we've had have ended with me completely destroying your arguments.

No thats wrong, they SHOULD have ended when I completely destroyed your arguments, but you carried on arguing the same points with other people. And you still reference your entirely disprooved theories in later posts.

Huh?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 14:32:23 EDT (#)
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Blackhawk Down

(Google is my friend)

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Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2006-04-30 14:25:11 EDT (#)
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When I go home people ask me, they say "Hey Hoot, why do you do it man? Why? You some kind of war junkie? I won't say a goddam word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand, it's about the men next to you. And that's it. That's all it is. Hey don't even think about it, all right? I'm better on my own.


i'll +2 a post if someone knows what movie i got that quote from.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 14:17:06 EDT (#)
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REpo man?

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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-30 14:13:50 EDT (#)
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Plate of shrimp, man, plate of shrimp.

I'll +2 three posts of the first person to name the movie I got that from.

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Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2006-04-30 14:08:52 EDT (#)
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but, i see your point.

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Submitted by Dead_0hi0_Sky (user info) at 2006-04-30 14:07:56 EDT (#)
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blah blah big words blah blah tiny dick blah blah

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:47:44 (#)
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You people have demonstrated nothing."""

Hey, as long as you've convinced yourself, buddy.

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I know what I'm talking about. I don't have to 'convince' myself.



Also, anyone suggesting I have in some way misconceptualized 'cognitive dissonance' need to read up on the subject.

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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-30 12:45:25 (#)
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Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you.
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My 'slightly more logical than an ETS theory on the end of the universe.'* See, the way I figure it is that universe is ever expanding, but is still under the strain of gravity, trying to bring it closer together, so the gravity is like friction, slowing down the expansion until it stops, and then slowly starts coming back into the center, all the while picking up speed. And then when everything reaches that point, there is too much energy trapped in a small pinprick of space, you have an explosion recreating everything, another 'Big Bang' so to speak. Then life will start over, in an endless chain doomed to be repeated for eternity.

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That depends entirely on how much mass is in the universe. If there's not enough, it will keep expanding forever and ever. It will grow cold and dark....a relic universe.

There could be infinite universes all expanding and/or contracting in a giant, all-inclusive 'bubble soup'. It's called the 'inflationary universe' model.

None of that concerns me too much. It's fun to ponder, but not much use in the practical world. What concerns me is not what kind of universe exists, but that one exists at all.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:47:44 EDT (#)
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You people have demonstrated nothing."""

Hey, as long as you've convinced yourself, buddy.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:27:48 (#)
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Speaking of deflection, I love how ETS switched the subject to oil and economics when this post has been demonstrated as fucking stupid over and over.

I suppose ignoring his own idiocy is part of his pursuit of the Truth.

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You people have demonstrated nothing.

ETS follows his own drummer and will comment on whatever he sees fit. If you don't like it, quit reading. That's what ETS says.

That, and 'suck it'.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:15:42 (#)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4959008.stm

I hope they can make something happen. Anything that weakens the U.S. stranglehold on world trade is a good thing. Imbalance breeds poverty; poverty breeds pissed off people; pissed off people breed violence. Challenging the hierarchy is essential. A stronger South America will be good for the stability and peace of the world.
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But you keep complaining about the weakening U.S. economy?!

Drug usage during conception breeds retards like you.

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I don't complain about a weakening economy, Caul. Weakening and strengthening periods are 'supposed' to be natural fluctuations in any economy, especially one that is worldwide in nature like we see today, but the U.S. has set it up where it is essentially immune to these forces by printing the world's reserve currency in fiat and exploiting free trade with the poorest contries while borrowing money from foreign investors from China, Japan, Korea, and Europe to fund our massive overspending.

The 'strong economy' is artificial. One look at the debt will tell you that any 'growth' we're currently feeling is a function of our living on borrowed money and is not the result of any real strength. I fear what will happen in the future if we don't start paying down the debt again like we did in the 1990s.

In 2001, the tech bubble burst and the stock market plummeted. Enter 9/11. 9/11 was a gift in that it offered the pretext to flex the military muscle, increase military spending, show an air of power to potential investors, and secure future oil reserves while at the same time jacking up current prices. 2001, under normal circumastances, should have been a prolonged economic recession or even depression, but Bush's tax cuts were a band aid fix that has delayed that until a future date by artificially stimulating the economy at the expense of our national debt.

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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:31:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-30 12:45:25 (#)
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Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you.
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My 'slightly more logical than an ETS theory on the end of the universe.'* See, the way I figure it is that universe is ever expanding, but is still under the strain of gravity, trying to bring it closer together, so the gravity is like friction, slowing down the expansion until it stops, and then slowly starts coming back into the center, all the while picking up speed. And then when everything reaches that point, there is too much energy trapped in a small pinprick of space, you have an explosion recreating everything, another 'Big Bang' so to speak. Then life will start over, in an endless chain doomed to be repeated for eternity.








*Doodles does not actually support this theory and is in no way responsible for any idiot how believes it. However, he would like to point out that it does make much more sense then ETS's response about a vague conspiracy involving the president, Muslims, Communists and giant evil herpes infected peeners

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:27:48 EDT (#)
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Speaking of deflection, I love how ETS switched the subject to oil and economics when this post has been demonstrated as fucking stupid over and over.

I suppose ignoring his own idiocy is part of his pursuit of the Truth.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:25:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:10:34 (#)
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nice attempt at deflection, you fuckin' lunatic.

listen to your mother, as she yells down the stairs to your cellar, and take your damn meds. the neighbours are talking and this time its not just in your head.
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hhahahahahhahaha

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:23:39 EDT (#)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4955280.stm

Once and for all, people, let's get off the oil, shall we? If Brazil can be energy independent, so can we. They are able to supply all of their nation's energy needs through sugar ethanol grown in their own soil, supplemented by their own offshore oil drilling. There is no reason we couldn't do the same.

This next election in November will be a crucial one for the future of our country. Listen to the people addressing this issue and demand something be done about it.

Burning fossil fuels is archaic. We have fucking microchips in the dashboards of our cars, but we've yet to change much under the hood in 100 years. The good ol' piston keeps pumping to the tune of exploding dinosars. There are better ways.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:21:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:15:42 (#)
Ranking: 0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4959008.stm

I hope they can make something happen. Anything that weakens the U.S. stranglehold on world trade is a good thing. Imbalance breeds poverty; poverty breeds pissed off people; pissed off people breed violence. Challenging the hierarchy is essential. A stronger South America will be good for the stability and peace of the world.
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But you keep complaining about the weakening U.S. economy?!

Drug usage during conception breeds retards like you.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:17:16 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4955430.stm

"If our plan to get them on the nuclear issue fails, there is always a backup: they are terrorists!"

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 13:15:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4959008.stm

I hope they can make something happen. Anything that weakens the U.S. stranglehold on world trade is a good thing. Imbalance breeds poverty; poverty breeds pissed off people; pissed off people breed violence. Challenging the hierarchy is essential. A stronger South America will be good for the stability and peace of the world.

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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-30 12:45:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 12:41:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0


Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2006-04-30 11:04:33 (#)
Ranking: -2

On the other hand, you are fucking stupid, and clearly crazy with your theory about how the chemicals people make in their bathtubs out of drain cleaner help you cheat the laws of science and read other people's minds. Fucking A, what a whackjob.

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See, I knew you were going to say that.

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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-30 12:32:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

"Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2006-04-30 11:04:33 (#)
Ranking: -2

On the other hand, you are fucking stupid, and clearly crazy with your theory about how the chemicals people make in their bathtubs out of drain cleaner help you cheat the laws of science and read other people's minds. Fucking A, what a whackjob."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-30 11:26:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

I have no idea what you people are taling about.

Fuck all that bullshit philosophy crap.

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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2006-04-30 11:13:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:28:27 (#)
Ranking: 0

I walked out of my college philosophy class because the teacher refused to waver in her belief of ultimate truth. I walked out and never went back. "Everything is relative," I said. "Everything."

"That's four hundred dollars my mom will never see again." I said, laughing to myself as I left campus and went across the street to McDonalds, the thought of a fillet 'o fish and a big bowl of pot making my mouth water.

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Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2006-04-30 11:04:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

God, what a retard. I didn't even know what cognitive dissonance was, but the second I read this retarded pile of bullshit, I knew it wasn't this. On the one hand, the reviews are good. A lot of intelligent people slamming ETS' obvious idiocy. On the other hand, you are fucking stupid, and clearly crazy with your theory about how the chemicals people make in their bathtubs out of drain cleaner help you cheat the laws of science and read other people's minds. Fucking A, what a whackjob.

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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-04-30 10:47:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:04:56 (#)
Ranking: 0

You've read Emerson?
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I have. I like him a lot better than Thoreau because he'll admit he's a hypocrite and Thoreau tries to pretend he's some kind of pure something or other. I'd respect your opinions a great deal more if you tried that on occasion. As it stands, I have respect for the effort and the opinion, but not the presentation. I'd say keep it up but you've been at it longer than me so that'd be a bit trite.

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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-04-30 08:53:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

ETS drives by, tosses a rotting batch of tongue-in-cheek drivel
out the window. People respond with dissertations on Jungian
philosophy. Wake the fuck up.

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Submitted by Bushy (user info) at 2006-04-30 07:00:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2


I pity you

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Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-30 04:19:10 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:30:48 (#)
Ranking: -2

Retard.

Your whole first paragraph is wrong. 'Cognitive Dissonance' is a theory, yes, but not at all what you said. Cognitive Dissonance is the confliction of two ideas to create a new one.

For instance, it's used in guilt campains.

When a T.V. commercial says, "Hey! Smoking kills people around you." but your mind says, "I like smoking." they conflict. And then, the Truth people hope that a new idea, caused by the dissonance of the two confliction ideas, will cause you to say, "Hey, I'm not going to smoke."

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I agree with this about 1 MILLION percent. It does not mean what you say it means. Just 30 seconds on Google gives you this useful example:

'Consider someone who buys an expensive car but discovers that it is not comfortable on long drives. Dissonance exists between their beliefs that they have bought a good car and that a good car should be comfortable. Dissonance could be eliminated by deciding that it does not matter since the car is mainly used for short trips (reducing the importance of the dissonant belief) or focusing on the cars strengths such as safety, appearance, handling (thereby adding more consonant beliefs). The dissonance could also be eliminated by getting rid of the car, but this behavior is a lot harder to achieve than changing beliefs.'

You however are claiming that it's truths hidden in plain view and our brains ability to only process so much data. Incorrect.
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ubmitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:44:41 (#)
Ranking: -2

This is some of the most pretentious bullshit I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Especially this load, right here:

"Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul? Did you know that the Collective Unconscious truly exists and that by tapping into it through meditation, or cheating by altering the chemical makeup of our brains, we can achieve a state of ESP, allowing us to communicate with one another without speaking? Even if you think I'm crazy, one experience doing it, just one time in this world of archetypal forms and endless expanse of mind and you will immediately understand where you are. You will immediately remember being here before. And suddenly, in the infinite silence, all things become clear."

Now I'm a transcendentalist, I've read Carl Jung, and I've studied a great deal of Buddhism, but I don't think there is any foundation for this stuff. I feel it is my duty to call you out on this stuff. First off- the collective unconscious doesn't work that way. It's not a living breathing being, or even a real connection between people. To use a nerdy metaphor, it's not the internet, it's more like a hard drive. The collective unconscious is a *collection* of *unconscious* images that we have inherited and pieced together over generations of human existence- the framework of culture and society, human instinct, etc. There is no way to access that entire wealth of imagery at once, you access it archetype by archetype, and you don't connect to other people's heads with it. Much less ESP.

The Oversoul is also not a connection between people as much as a shared property... a kind of 'mass divinity.' There's no "group think" there at all. Sorry, thanks for playing. ESP isn't even something Buddhism offers, it's just unprovable BS. You've thrown a lot of respectable theories and philosophies together, degraded them, cobbled them together, added elements of your own bullshit philosophy, and made a bunch of dumbshit extrapolations from it. The fact is, you probably had a very nice experience, misinterpreted it, and got yourself a little Messiah complex. Well frankly, you're not speaking sensibly and no one will take you seriously, and you're not even being consistent. Good luck saving the world one idiosincracy at a time, dude.

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And as for this dude, I like him a lot.

ETS, You must think 'oh shit' when someone replies like this, as quite clearly he knows what he is talking about and you are relying on peoples ignorance on subjects so that you look more intelligent.
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Submitted by JumpingJax (user info) at 2006-04-30 03:05:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

0MG 9/11 WAS HAXX0RED BY TEH AMERIKKKAN GOVT. 666

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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:47:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

anyway, ive finished work, so i cant be fucked bothering with this silliness any further.

rest assured that im right and youre wrong. accept it and youll feel so very much better, everyone else does.

however this has entertained me a lot so another +2 for you

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Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:38:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:26:00 (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:22:08 (#)
Ranking: 2

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:17:00 (#)
Ranking: 0

You're all so adept at dismissing me. Is there a school for this shit now?
*******

yeah, it's called the school of reality....

sorry, i couldn't resist..

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Sorry I couldn't attend.
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I don't blame you for not attending ;)

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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:36:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

you dismiss yourself with your point of view and the mindless way you deploy it.

youll note that most of the people that argue with you dont really dispute your suppositions as such, because by and large, theyre fucking obvious.

yeah, brad, we know politicians lie to us. yeah, brad, we know the rich get richer while the poor get poorer, and they bleed for it while they do so. youre not saying anything new.

mostly people object to what you say because you take yourself so seriously and you really have absolutely no solid ground on which to stand whatsoever. feel free to make whatever points you like, bradley, thats the nature of ubersite and the internet in general. however, you have to begin realising that truly being informed requires more than what you are doing, and that to maintain the self-righteous, frankly ridiculous stance you take on certain issues really does require you to get the fuck out of your comfy chair and actually to go do it.

you made a comment about me thinking 'for once'. i do plenty of thinking, brad, as much as anyone youre liable to meet. unlike you, i dont have the sheer arrogance (and i have a lot of that) to believe what i think is in any way special, or particularly worthwhile.

the 'great' people of humanity mostly didnt become great with their thoughts, because pretty much alltbhe thoughts thewy and you and i have had, have been thought before, in one way or another. they became great because they did shit about it.

its all about that verb, brad: "do".

its why you are a sadly humourous figure to people here. you strut up and down and parade what you think is a towering intellect, and quite litereally call yourself a genius and some sort of messianic messenger, when in actual fact youre a nobody, who will -and this is the real important part, because were all nobodies- never be anything close to what you think you are because you will never DO anything. you think reading a book and posting on a website is DOING something.

all its DOING is procrastinating, and its sadly all youll ever do, brad.

if you want to lead, brad, you have to get off your middle-america arse and actually lead.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:26:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:22:08 (#)
Ranking: 2

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:17:00 (#)
Ranking: 0

You're all so adept at dismissing me. Is there a school for this shit now?
*******

yeah, it's called the school of reality....

sorry, i couldn't resist..

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Sorry I couldn't attend.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:25:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

http://www.electrictoothsyndrome.com/songs/Upward_I_Stumble/My_Bloody_Valentine.mp3

Laugh at this. This should provide a while of entertainment.

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Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:22:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:17:00 (#)
Ranking: 0

You're all so adept at dismissing me. Is there a school for this shit now?
*******

yeah, it's called the school of reality....

sorry, i couldn't resist..

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:17:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

You're all so adept at dismissing me. Is there a school for this shit now?

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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:10:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

nice attempt at deflection, you fuckin' lunatic.

listen to your mother, as she yells down the stairs to your cellar, and take your damn meds. the neighbours are talking and this time its not just in your head.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:06:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-30 01:36:01 (#)
Ranking: 2

the list of books is about perfect, too.

see, if he'd put 'catcher in the rye' itd be too obvious, itd be overstatement; but instead he went for mostly childrens books, which gives the indication of hinting at a certain childlike perspective of 'truth', 'from the mouths of babes' sort of thing; with orwell thrown in to give it a sort of adult credibilty. "see im not just some loon that is the only one able to decipher the meaning of childrens literature and crack the code in my secret bunker of clandestine cryptography, i also read grown-up books, too"

details like this paint a subtle patina of character that softens the bludeoning of some of the other statements, and gives us cause to think that this guy might actually be for real, well at least to himself.

its fucking brilliant.

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Nice attempt at depth. I enjoy the fact you're finally thinking...


...for once.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:04:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

You've read Emerson?

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 02:04:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:44:41 (#)
Ranking: -2

This is some of the most pretentious bullshit I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Especially this load, right here:

"Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul? Did you know that the Collective Unconscious truly exists and that by tapping into it through meditation, or cheating by altering the chemical makeup of our brains, we can achieve a state of ESP, allowing us to communicate with one another without speaking? Even if you think I'm crazy, one experience doing it, just one time in this world of archetypal forms and endless expanse of mind and you will immediately understand where you are. You will immediately remember being here before. And suddenly, in the infinite silence, all things become clear."

Now I'm a transcendentalist, I've read Carl Jung, and I've studied a great deal of Buddhism, but I don't think there is any foundation for this stuff. I feel it is my duty to call you out on this stuff. First off- the collective unconscious doesn't work that way. It's not a living breathing being, or even a real connection between people. To use a nerdy metaphor, it's not the internet, it's more like a hard drive. The collective unconscious is a *collection* of *unconscious* images that we have inherited and pieced together over generations of human existence- the framework of culture and society, human instinct, etc. There is no way to access that entire wealth of imagery at once, you access it archetype by archetype, and you don't connect to other people's heads with it. Much less ESP.

The Oversoul is also not a connection between people as much as a shared property... a kind of 'mass divinity.' There's no "group think" there at all. Sorry, thanks for playing. ESP isn't even something Buddhism offers, it's just unprovable BS. You've thrown a lot of respectable theories and philosophies together, degraded them, cobbled them together, added elements of your own bullshit philosophy, and made a bunch of dumbshit extrapolations from it. The fact is, you probably had a very nice experience, misinterpreted it, and got yourself a little Messiah complex. Well frankly, you're not speaking sensibly and no one will take you seriously, and you're not even being consistent. Good luck saving the world one idiosincracy at a time, dude.

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I respected this review.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-30 01:54:10 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:44:41 (#)
Ranking: -2


Now I'm a transcendentalist, I've read Carl Jung, and I've studied a great deal of Buddhism, but I don't think there is any foundation for this stuff.






Is there really a foundation for ANY of it?

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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-30 01:36:01 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

the list of books is about perfect, too.

see, if he'd put 'catcher in the rye' itd be too obvious, itd be overstatement; but instead he went for mostly childrens books, which gives the indication of hinting at a certain childlike perspective of 'truth', 'from the mouths of babes' sort of thing; with orwell thrown in to give it a sort of adult credibilty. "see im not just some loon that is the only one able to decipher the meaning of childrens literature and crack the code in my secret bunker of clandestine cryptography, i also read grown-up books, too"

details like this paint a subtle patina of character that softens the bludeoning of some of the other statements, and gives us cause to think that this guy might actually be for real, well at least to himself.

its fucking brilliant.

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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-30 01:16:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Submitted by cshape (user info) at 2006-04-30 01:11:40 (#)
Ranking: 2

"Genius' and 'paranoid schizophrenia'" explains so much.

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exactly. this is a beautifully crafted piece of writing, i love it. so much nuance, so economical (no pun intended).

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Submitted by cshape (user info) at 2006-04-30 01:11:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

"Genius' and 'paranoid schizophrenia'" explains so much.

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Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-04-30 01:08:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

I'm feeling ill...you don't have any healing powers by any chance, do you?

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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-30 01:07:31 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:50:03 (#)
Ranking: 0

As usual you kind of know the score, but present it in a somewhat obnoxious way. If you really want to tell people about this, then why not say it straightforwardly in plain enlgish. But why you'd want to help the knuckle heads round here I don't know. There's plenty of other forums with more sophisticated posters.
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I have come to the conclusion, that, you sir, are a pimple faced, pale ass loser who is never going to get laid. Ever. Furthermore, I have deducted that you are indeed a shitheel who will die alone in life. Thusly my superior brain has, after spending countless seconds analyzing your levels of retardedness, come to the conclusion that you are Electro's even more retarded son/uncle. Truly the best part of you dripped down the crack of your mother's, (Electro's miscarried fetus sister) terribly huge and bloated ass. How's that for sophisticated? Bitch.

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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-30 00:06:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

this is the most brilliant parody i have seen on this site to date.

i mean, just LOOK at this:

"Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul? Did you know that the Collective Unconscious truly exists and that by tapping into it through meditation, or cheating by altering the chemical makeup of our brains, we can achieve a state of ESP, allowing us to communicate with one another without speaking?"

i dont think in my most creative moments, those rare, rare times when words are pouring out and i can write fast enough for the ideas that i could come up with gold like that. and all this shit about being a messenger, and how its not his time to shut up... yet. brilliance.

this is a carefully constructed character that has taken evolved in front of our very eyes. i may even steal you one of these days, ets.

"Because I am a messenger. It is my job not to shut up...at least for now."

gold, pure gold. im definately stealing this character for something.

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Submitted by myexstaintstain (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:56:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

No Comment

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Submitted by Brendon (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:50:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

As usual you kind of know the score, but present it in a somewhat obnoxious way. If you really want to tell people about this, then why not say it straightforwardly in plain enlgish. But why you'd want to help the knuckle heads round here I don't know. There's plenty of other forums with more sophisticated posters.

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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:48:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

I know so do the ads, but they almost always have somthing to do with the post/poster.

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Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:44:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

This is some of the most pretentious bullshit I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Especially this load, right here:

"Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul? Did you know that the Collective Unconscious truly exists and that by tapping into it through meditation, or cheating by altering the chemical makeup of our brains, we can achieve a state of ESP, allowing us to communicate with one another without speaking? Even if you think I'm crazy, one experience doing it, just one time in this world of archetypal forms and endless expanse of mind and you will immediately understand where you are. You will immediately remember being here before. And suddenly, in the infinite silence, all things become clear."

Now I'm a transcendentalist, I've read Carl Jung, and I've studied a great deal of Buddhism, but I don't think there is any foundation for this stuff. I feel it is my duty to call you out on this stuff. First off- the collective unconscious doesn't work that way. It's not a living breathing being, or even a real connection between people. To use a nerdy metaphor, it's not the internet, it's more like a hard drive. The collective unconscious is a *collection* of *unconscious* images that we have inherited and pieced together over generations of human existence- the framework of culture and society, human instinct, etc. There is no way to access that entire wealth of imagery at once, you access it archetype by archetype, and you don't connect to other people's heads with it. Much less ESP.

The Oversoul is also not a connection between people as much as a shared property... a kind of 'mass divinity.' There's no "group think" there at all. Sorry, thanks for playing. ESP isn't even something Buddhism offers, it's just unprovable BS. You've thrown a lot of respectable theories and philosophies together, degraded them, cobbled them together, added elements of your own bullshit philosophy, and made a bunch of dumbshit extrapolations from it. The fact is, you probably had a very nice experience, misinterpreted it, and got yourself a little Messiah complex. Well frankly, you're not speaking sensibly and no one will take you seriously, and you're not even being consistent. Good luck saving the world one idiosincracy at a time, dude.

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Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:34:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:42:40 (#)
Ranking: 0

I didn't realise you were one of those people who is "spiritual", whatever the fuck that means, rather than "religious".

That's usually just a euphemism for "spouting Eastern mystical bollocks".

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I love this fucking guy.

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Submitted by georgemichael (user info) at 2006-04-29 23:07:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:34:39 (#)
Ranking: -2

I really think Bart does this on purpose, all the simpson qoutes and the adds all sort of having to do with post they are under... I'm on to you bartbart.
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DOODLES you DOODLE, the simpsons quotes change every time you click on the post again..... hit refresh if you don't believes me

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:57:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Ets is rebellious. He walked out of his college philosophy 101 class. I mean, instead of just sitting there and filtering what he agreed or didn't agree with like a normal person, he made a STATEMENT. Man, we need more revolutionaries like ETS.

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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:48:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

i just read the reviews...

it makes me glad that someone knows the definition of cognitive dissonance.

also, this confirms my belief that ets is a pathetic human being.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:44:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Please read ETS work, in all his relativeness: http://www.nymethod.com/ets.html

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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:43:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

You are an idiot.

Check your definition of cognitive dissonance.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:40:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

i gotta say, i've never seen a man being so quick to preach yet do the exact contrary wihtout even realizing it.

that has to be a skill.

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Submitted by georgemichael (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:40:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

...if you aren't already aware of his work

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Submitted by georgemichael (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:39:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

I think you take 'life' too seriously ETS, why do you bear the weight of the world on your shoulders?

please google this guy - ken wilber

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:39:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:28:27 (#)
Ranking: 0

I walked out of my college philosophy class because the teacher refused to waver in her belief of ultimate truth. I walked out and never went back. "Everything is relative," I said. "Everything."
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-26 19:00:39 (#)
Ranking: 0

No, I assume you're retarded because none of you seem to understand what the fuck I'm talking about.
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QUELQU'UN SEMBLE ÊTRE PLUS CATHOLIQUE QUE LE PAPE, ON DIRAIT!

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Submitted by Charlilot (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:37:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Dude if you want to start a cult start with the part guys get to have 20 wives
BEFORE you start preaching this bullshit.

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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:34:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

I really think Bart does this on purpose, all the simpson qoutes and the adds all sort of having to do with post they are under... I'm on to you bartbart.

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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:32:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

HAHAHAHA! Is everyone elses yahoo had about paranoid Schizophrenia information?

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Submitted by marginwalker (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:31:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Me likes. Did you know that every thought contained herein created a new neurological autobahn for your thoughts?
The fact you know what "Cognitive Dissonance" means earns this a +2

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Submitted by GodLovesALittleLovin (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:30:16 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

someone quote Kansas for me, please.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:28:27 EDT (#)
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I walked out of my college philosophy class because the teacher refused to waver in her belief of ultimate truth. I walked out and never went back. "Everything is relative," I said. "Everything."

Shakespeare said, "There is no such thing as right or wrong, but thinking makes it so."

At this moment I reaffirm my belief in the existence of 'right' and 'wrong'. In the teeth of world gone mad, I struggle to escape its jaws and set my feet back upon the concrete of reality.

As long as I live in this body, the existence of right and wrong and truth and fiction exist. Not for purposes of comfort. Not because relativity is too painful a concept, but because it's the way of nature. It's built in the yen and yang of existence and in the gift of free will we possess. I celebrate this gift of sight at this moment. Here and now. I affirm the insolvency of the spirit, while at the same time knowing that one day mine will return to the ocean of Spirit, merging and becoming no more.

"Here is where you belong, son. You are home."

To forsake the fraternity of men for this lonely path is more difficult in this day and age than affirming the relativity of all points of view and retreating into mere hedonism with the rest of the waiting world.

I will not succumb. If my lot is to be a relic, a pale reminder that the world was, indeed, here...then so be it. I accept.

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Submitted by georgemichael (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:24:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

go you ETS

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:24:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

"IT'S ESSENTIAL TO QUESTION ME BUT ONLY IF YOU ARE IN THE SAME LINE OF THOUGHT

Ô LOYAUX SERVITEURS, AGENOUILLEZ-VOUS ET PLAIDEZ VOTRE RÉMISSION OU S'ABATTRA SUR VOUS MON COURROUX. CELUI DE L'ULTIME CONNAISSANCE ET DE L'ILLUMINATION!"

*CUE GRANDIOSE SOUNDTRACK AND BRADLEY REVIEWING HIS APOSTLES ON HORSEBACK*



I WISH I KNEW YOUR DRUG DEALER, MAN!

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Submitted by Lisa (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:15:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Yeah, I don't think so.

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Submitted by Chroniclysm (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:07:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

You should really take some Ayahuasca.

I feel as though it might help you.

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Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:01:41 EDT (#)
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"masturbate upon the effigy of Truth"

lol, that's deep man. deep.

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Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-29 22:00:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:56:18 (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:43:16 (#)
Ranking: -2

This says the mind is overloaded and can't realize the truth.

You seem to be saying that we're all just confused zombies, walking around not knowing the truth. Well, that's not the essence of the theory.

Why would advertisers wan't to manipulate a theory that overloads the consumer into confusion?

You forgot the second half of the theory where the mind actually realizes that one of the original ideas is contradictory to the person's core beliefs and then makes a proper decision based on their core beliefs. Thus, by mentioning this theory, you are saying that we will in fact eventually make the right decision, according to our core beliefs.

So, if you beleive this theory, shut up. We'll make the right decision eventually.

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Did it ever occur to you that the right decision will never be arrived at unless the lie is first exposed? To make the right decision based on a lie is not the right decision.

I want to strip the world naked and look at her. If I mumble to myself while doing so and you happen to overhear, I will not be ashamed. I will masturbate upon the effigy of Truth for all to see, and I will not be ashamed. Then in the quiet moments in the bedroom of your own soul, you can join me in your shame... Hide the truth you know and keep it to yourself, further tainting the collective unconscious with your silence.

In this body, there is a reason for having a voice, and until it is gone and all has turned to dust and shadow, we should use that voice to scream as loudly as possible in harmony with the truth.

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DID IT EVER OCCOUR TO YOU THAT THERE IS NO RIGHT DECISION?
There is no such things as a universal right or wrong.
Only our ability to match our own core beliefs.

So, give up with this change the world shit.
If people don't agree with you already, they never will.




Poop and pee.
Poop and pee.
Oh how I love to go,
poop and pee.

Look at me!
Look at me!
Look how I can go,
poop and pee.

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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:57:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

ETS: I'm glad you don't enter into the fiction contests on this site.
You are an excellent writer, if somewhat obsessed with strange ideas.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:56:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:43:16 (#)
Ranking: -2

This says the mind is overloaded and can't realize the truth.

You seem to be saying that we're all just confused zombies, walking around not knowing the truth. Well, that's not the essence of the theory.

Why would advertisers wan't to manipulate a theory that overloads the consumer into confusion?

You forgot the second half of the theory where the mind actually realizes that one of the original ideas is contradictory to the person's core beliefs and then makes a proper decision based on their core beliefs. Thus, by mentioning this theory, you are saying that we will in fact eventually make the right decision, according to our core beliefs.

So, if you beleive this theory, shut up. We'll make the right decision eventually.

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Did it ever occur to you that the right decision will never be arrived at unless the lie is first exposed? To make the right decision based on a lie is not the right decision.

I want to strip the world naked and look at her. If I mumble to myself while doing so and you happen to overhear, I will not be ashamed. I will masturbate upon the effigy of Truth for all to see, and I will not be ashamed. Then in the quiet moments in the bedroom of your own soul, you can join me in your shame... Hide the truth you know and keep it to yourself, further tainting the collective unconscious with your silence.

In this body, there is a reason for having a voice, and until it is gone and all has turned to dust and shadow, we should use that voice to scream as loudly as possible in harmony with the truth.

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Submitted by Doodies (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:47:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Salvolatile for the soul!

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Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:45:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

P.S. I eat boogers.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:45:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

i'm seriously wondering if his lunacy will ever stop increasing

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Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:43:16 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

This is because our minds can only process and assimilate so much information at once and the forces of evil are allowed to run amok right under our noses. The senses become overloaded with so much disparate information that the mind is no longer able to distinguish between truth and fiction, namely because one cannot specifically recall which came first, or which history to believe.

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This says the mind is overloaded and can't realize the truth.

You seem to be saying that we're all just confused zombies, walking around not knowing the truth. Well, that's not the essence of the theory.

Why would advertisers wan't to manipulate a theory that overloads the consumer into confusion?

You forgot the second half of the theory where the mind actually realizes that one of the original ideas is contradictory to the person's core beliefs and then makes a proper decision based on their core beliefs. Thus, by mentioning this theory, you are saying that we will in fact eventually make the right decision, according to our core beliefs.

So, if you beleive this theory, shut up. We'll make the right decision eventually.

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Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:42:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

I didn't realise you were one of those people who is "spiritual", whatever the fuck that means, rather than "religious".

That's usually just a euphemism for "spouting Eastern mystical bollocks".

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Submitted by SullyThePirate (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:38:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Don't take drugs, kids.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:36:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

hahahahaahhahaha I can't even begin to fathom how many hits of acid you took tonight

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:34:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:30:48 (#)
Ranking: -2

Your whole first paragraph is wrong. 'Cognitive Dissonance' is a theory, yes, but not at all what you said.

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Yes it is.

That's exactly what I said. ;)


"Here we go 'round the prickly pear the prickly pear the prickly pear..."

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:32:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

We are not this body. We are not these thoughts.

Awaken to the dream or wander like a lost babe into the nightmare.

Break out or succumb to the sickness.

Find peace in oneness or be torn asunder in the palace of fear and isolation.

There is a moment just as the predator has severed your jugular that acceptance of fate is a virtue, to seek refuge in the stillness outside the will to survive is to hear the all-powerful voice of God, to rise above this earthly body, and to remember who you are.

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Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:30:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Retard.

Your whole first paragraph is wrong. 'Cognitive Dissonance' is a theory, yes, but not at all what you said. Cognitive Dissonance is the confliction of two ideas to create a new one.

For instance, it's used in guilt campains.

When a T.V. commercial says, "Hey! Smoking kills people around you." but your mind says, "I like smoking." they conflict. And then, the Truth people hope that a new idea, caused by the dissonance of the two confliction ideas, will cause you to say, "Hey, I'm not going to smoke."

Yeah, so I didn't read after the first paragraph because it bothered me too much.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:29:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

I'm +2ing this guy from now on, because now that I think of it, he's given me hours upon hours of endless entertainment, and he's fully deserving of some sort of compensation for amusing the fuck out of me.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:18:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

To question me is essential.

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:18:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:11:25 (#)
Ranking: 0

why don't you transcend all earthly problems and shut the fuck up

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Because I am a messenger. It is my job not to shut up...at least for now.

First step: open your eyes.

Second step: see the truth.

Third step: rise above.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:17:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

ETS : "Think like me and you will see clearly! You will see about 9/11 and HAARP and the illuminati and area 51...etc!"

So how the fuck do we become like you, master?

Drop some acid? Read conspiracy theory websites? Give you +2's?

I'm lost here and I need your guidance.

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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:15:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:15:07 (#)
Ranking: -2

I could go on about the Communist Left and the Illuminati and Federation of Man
Damn communists, their all evil anyway.
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Argh, Damn communists, THEY'RE all evil anyway.

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Submitted by Doodles (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:15:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

I could go on about 9/11.
Trust me, you do.

I could go on about HAARP.
Once again, you do.

I could go on about the ultra-conservative, Christian New World Order.
Check.

I could go on about the Communist Left and the Illuminati and Federation of Man
Damn communists, their all evil anyway.

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:13:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:07:43 (#)
Ranking: 0

This isn't about veneration, this is about the potential of everyone to be master over his own self and slave to no one.
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It's not?

"Even if you think I'm crazy, one experience doing it, just one time in this world of archetypal forms and endless expanse of mind and you will immediately understand where you are. You will immediately remember being here before. And suddenly, in the infinite silence, all things become clear."

Do you even listen to yourself, man?

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Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:11:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

why don't you transcend all earthly problems and shut the fuck up

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:10:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Does that include not being fat? I suppose you wouldn't know, since you've probably never been fat

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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:07:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

This isn't about veneration, this is about the potential of everyone to be master over his own self and slave to no one.

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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:07:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-04-29 20:59:53 (#)
Ranking: -2

"Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul?"





rofl

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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-29 21:06:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

So what you are saying is that we must open our eyes to YOUR truth?

Seriously, just stop.

You would never convince the most gullible and naive person to venere you like you want us to.

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Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2006-04-29 20:59:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

"Did you know there is such a thing as an Oversoul?"





rofl

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Submitted by zakalwe (user info) at 2006-04-29 20:57:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

wow, you really are full of shit.

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Submitted by wijormiclat (user info) at 2006-04-29 20:56:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

I totally agree! Same thing happened here:
http://www.ubersite.com/m/38100