Allegiance to Conscience (Why you have a moral right to stop paying your taxes to the American government) (4708 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-04-09 16:34:05 EDT
"I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right. It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation of conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience. Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice." - Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience
A man is not a man unless his words are reflected in his actions. A man of conscience, as Thoreau would put it, cannot submit himself upon the alter of convenience and material wealth if the price of such wealth is the deterioration of that most precious of things...the soul. "For," as Jesus Christ said, "what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
What does it profit the citizens of a nation, to gain personal security and world wealth through the actions of its government if their own souls, their own will, and the very freedoms they seek to protect are lost in the process?
The worst enemies of freedom are those who would take it away in the name of securing it. Standing up for oppressed people does NOT include being oppressors ourselves. Liberty is NOT a function of force. Defense of the meek does NOT include endangering them further. Democracy does NOT preclude injustice when it is imposed by of foreign power. Yet, it is evident by the general apathy and contentment of the modern bourgeoisie that personal comfort and freedom from state-manufactured fear far outweighs any will toward doing what is right, not from a religious standpoint, but from a conscientious standpoint.
For centuries, men have been baffled with the problem of society - with the eternal struggle between purely selfish ends, which feed the will to power, and selfless ends, which by virtue of the constructs of that society, render the selfless in material poverty. For selflessness in a capitalist scheme is nearly impossible for anyone but the most affluent and well-to-do, who have only gotten that way by NOT practicing selflessness. Truly effective philanthropy does not ultimately serve the self-interest of those who make their bread and living on the backs of the less educated and economically disadvantaged, for, to raise up the disadvantaged through the dispersion of wealth would be to cut off the source such wealth and ensure its demise.
So what is government? In short, government is an intermediary between conflicting interests within a given society. It is a way of maintaining overall stability despite the disagreements of individuals. Government is there to keep such disagreements from becoming violent by offering solutions that best suit both interested parties and the society as a whole. But the problem of government arises when, without provocation, it begins to meddle in affairs that are outside its own borders for its own ends or the ends of individuals. At that point it has extended beyond the rights imposed upon it by its own people and is now infringing upon the rights of other societies. Whether this is done under the banner of Liberation, Justice, Democracy, or Freedom is secondary and immaterial to the fact that it is done without any moral authority whatsoever and can rightly be considered the sole product of a self-serving greed.
I, through a conscientious will to do what I feel is right, have come to the conclusion that to pledge my allegiance to a nation that perpetrates such atrocities is impossible. I CANNOT and WILL NOT support any regime that refuses to carry out the most basic of governmental functions in the true interests of its own people. Any government that, through use of a standing army around the world, seeks to bend to its will the sovereignty of foreign nations has ultimately abandoned its purported function; and its folly, while largely lost on its own people - for their well-being is perceived to increase with such injustice - is not lost on the people of occupied nations, and any perceived well-being the occupying nation is securing for itself in the present will undoubtedly be compromised 7-fold in the future. For, people are not likely to forget any infringement upon their God-given right to decide their own destiny, be it by a totalitarian dictator or foreign 'liberator', particularly when that infringement has been the harbinger of the death and suffering of its countrymen and its ultimate result is the compromise of its own culture through assimilation with the culture of the liberating force. Furthermore, any intended benevolence of the liberating army will be invariably lost when their true motives are revealed as being self-serving.
It is the sour allotment of the wiseman that he is vexed with seeing the ultimate outcome of his actions and his influences upon the world. It is his sad misfortune that he is able to percieve how the ripple effects of his choices extend beyond the mere boundaries of his own personal struggle or that of his countrymen to all mankind. It is likewise unfortunate that such a man is forced to question the notion of his own betterment, and weigh that notion using more than the scales of material success.
That is why this year, I am refusing to pay my federal income taxes. I am giving that money, instead, to charity. Maybe they can do with it the kind of good that my government seems only capable of negating. If that means receiving punishment from an unjust government, then so be it.
When a democratic government uses its tax dollars to perpetrate preemptive war and regime change around the globe instead of homeland defense, when it stations a standing army around the globe even in times of peace to impose its will on sovereign nations, when it has become a liability to its people through its instigation of others in its persuit of temporary gain, it is time to stop supporting that government and start opposing it.
It is with my full conviction of conscience as a man that I pledge to never again support, with either money or approval, any government that perpetrates unjust, preemptive wars under false pretenses against sovereign nations, that promotes fear and disconnection from our fellow man, or that fails to represent the true will of the people in its elected bodies.
I also hereby declare my independance from the government of the United States of America until such time as they get back to doing what they're there to do, DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. That is, unless they keep defining 'enemies' as those people who still exercise a conscience.
User Reviews
Submitted by PeopleAreStrange (user info) at 2006-06-20 04:27:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Good for you ETS, I hope you have the courage to follow your convictions and that you realise that if you end up with a prison record it may be extremely difficult for you to reintegrate into society. You might be living off the grid for more than a year with no choice.
If you ever get the chance I recommend you buy a copy of Louis Theroux 'Weird Weekends'. Theroux has made a number of interesting documentaries, in some of which he put a new spin on British celebrities and in the Weird Weekends he explored subcultures. In the episode 'Survivalists' he goes to North West America to meet with a community of people who don't pay federal taxes. Read the interview with Amazon here which explains a bit more about the people he met:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/228350/ref%3Ded%5Fart%5F303890%5Ftxt%5F1/203-7080709-9520718
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-16 10:55:25 EDT (#)
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Whoever decided to found a city and nme it Troy was asking for trouble
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-15 06:26:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by fried-green-potatoes (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:30:23 (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:08:34 (#)
Ranking: 2
I'm not entirely sure how it works over there, but doesn't your income tax also pay for upkeep of roads and such? Public amenities? Law and order?
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Funny you should ask...
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9410862/
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This just came up on StumpleUpon. They break it down by state: http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=198&Itemid=61
Don't know how accurate it is but somebody might find it interesting.
Submitted by NerfHerder (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:54:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I don't understand why people hate you so much.
Oh well.
Submitted by RyuFu (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:54:08 EDT (#)
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Dude, if you could successfully defend my moral cause in the court of law, I'd gladly follow your cause. As it stands, I'll have to take the role of the farmers who stood around watching some patriots take down England's army. I'm pretty sure some of what I just wrote made sense.
Submitted by Martyn_Steiner (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:53:09 EDT (#)
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Good on you.
Submitted by PokeyPecker (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:20:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
FAGGOT
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:15:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
ETS is still convinced that he's a victim and a brilliant mind: http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1928457
But hey, he does NOT have an attitude problem!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-12 16:04:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:53:32 (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:44:42 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:43:34 (#)
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Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
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We know that, well at least I know that.
I don't think I am going to change him, I don't care.
It amuses me to see his stuff.
His claims of wisdom, of knowing the truth, of joining the peace corp, of living off the grid, even this post and his "act of defiance". It is the funniest shit on the web. The fact that he believes he is doing something (even though he doesn't have the balls or backbone to ask for his tax money back from uncle sam) is hilarious. The people who believe his shit, or think he is going to do something when he floats from cause to cause and never actually following through on what he says make my day.
Not only does it crack me up, it is an ego boost. I am an average joe. I am healthy, I own a house, I have a good job, I am engaged to the woman I love, I have lived in exotic countries I guess I am better that average, I am happy, but I am never going to be great outside my circle of friends and family. And I have accepted that. But when I see someone who believes they are going to be great and be involved in great struggles and then they fall so terribly short of their goals it makes me feel good about myself. When I see someone whose sworn arch enemy is a system they are living in and supporting, when I see them unwilling to make the slightest effort to fight it, that makes me feel good about the things I have struggled through.
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Haha
That is so cruelly hilarious.
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:53:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:44:42 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:43:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
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We know that, well at least I know that.
I don't think I am going to change him, I don't care.
It amuses me to see his stuff.
His claims of wisdom, of knowing the truth, of joining the peace corp, of living off the grid, even this post and his "act of defiance". It is the funniest shit on the web. The fact that he believes he is doing something (even though he doesn't have the balls or backbone to ask for his tax money back from uncle sam) is hilarious. The people who believe his shit, or think he is going to do something when he floats from cause to cause and never actually following through on what he says make my day.
Not only does it crack me up, it is an ego boost. I am an average joe. I am healthy, I own a house, I have a good job, I am engaged to the woman I love, I have lived in exotic countries I guess I am better that average, I am happy, but I am never going to be great outside my circle of friends and family. And I have accepted that. But when I see someone who believes they are going to be great and be involved in great struggles and then they fall so terribly short of their goals it makes me feel good about myself. When I see someone whose sworn arch enemy is a system they are living in and supporting, when I see them unwilling to make the slightest effort to fight it, that makes me feel good about the things I have struggled through.
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Haha
That is so cruelly hilarious.
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-04-12 12:44:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:43:34 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
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We know that, well at least I know that.
I don't think I am going to change him, I don't care.
It amuses me to see his stuff.
His claims of wisdom, of knowing the truth, of joining the peace corp, of living off the grid, even this post and his "act of defiance". It is the funniest shit on the web. The fact that he believes he is doing something (even though he doesn't have the balls or backbone to ask for his tax money back from uncle sam) is hilarious. The people who believe his shit, or think he is going to do something when he floats from cause to cause and never actually following through on what he says make my day.
Not only does it crack me up, it is an ego boost. I am an average joe. I am healthy, I own a house, I have a good job, I am engaged to the woman I love, I have lived in exotic countries I guess I am better that average, I am happy, but I am never going to be great outside my circle of friends and family. And I have accepted that. But when I see someone who believes they are going to be great and be involved in great struggles and then they fall so terribly short of their goals it makes me feel good about myself. When I see someone whose sworn arch enemy is a system they are living in and supporting, when I see them unwilling to make the slightest effort to fight it, that makes me feel good about the things I have struggled through.
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Haha
That is so cruelly hilarious.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-12 11:49:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
ets is like the borg...he wants to bring chaos to order.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-04-12 11:03:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Well done for getting on MVA, ETS.
Submitted by Lechuga (user info) at 2006-04-12 10:51:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
"That is why this year, I am refusing to pay my federal income taxes. I am giving that money, instead, to charity."
Enjoy going to Federal Prison for tax evasion you fucking idiot. I agree that the government sucks, BUT NOTHING YOU SAY OR DO WILL CHANGE THIS ADMINISTRATION'S MIND. Bush isn't sitting in the oval office going "PLEASE TELL ME BRAD LINZY IS GOING TO PAY HIS INCOME TAX THIS YEAR! HE'S NOT? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
He doesn't fucking care, the IRS certainly doesn't give a shit, and while the charity you choose to give to may thank you, doing this will accomplish NOTHING, except to get you in trouble.
Doing this doesn't make you a Martyr, or a hero, it just tells me that you're a dumbass. I see protests and mini-marches and stuff all the time at my university, and you know what, the smarter people on campus realize that they accomplish NOTHING as well.
So enjoy what little "stand" you're taking, because while the IRS might not get around to it immediately, they WILL notice that you didn't pay, and they WILL send you delinquient tax notices, and when you fail to pay, they WILL send you to Federal Prison.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-12 06:49:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
silly rabbit, trix are for kids.
Submitted by wetyourself (user info) at 2006-04-12 01:52:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
This post actually inspired me to start rating some of the garbage I read.
Now, then, despite the fact that I wholeheartidly disagree with what you said in this submission, all I really want to say is that you bore the fuck out of me with your pointless reiteration of an idea that was thouroughly described in the quote. All you needed to say (in addition to the quote) was, I'm not going to pay my taxes anymore because I hate the government, and I'm going to go to jail because of my views. That would've saved me a lot of reading time that I could've used perusing more interesting submissions about what really goes through people's heads when they are having sex, or itching their balls, or whatever.
oh, yeah, and since this is my first review... -2die
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 23:15:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Someone just came off of some sort of high.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 23:01:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:02:44 (#)
Ranking: 2
I love ya Bradley, I know you're a good person deep down, and I think in another life you and I could be good friends. I just wish you'd tone it down a bit, and not be such a cock face about things
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At this point, dude, even when I try to tone it down 'they' won't let me. You can read the reviews to most of my posts, you know... I start out with every single intention of having a productive and stimulating debate, and it just turns into a menagerie of hate and over-inflamed passions. The first few reviews I write are toned down, directed, concise, and for the most part cordial. Then, invariably, the shit wave hits the rocky shore of my temperament and it all pretty much falls apart.
What really sucks is, at this point, I really do think I have some things of value to say about the world, but the real message is lost in the ensuing catfight.
But, you know, I guess this is the world we live in today. I can argue with people from all over the world and threaten their lives from 5000 miles away in a way they know I will never carry out. I can insult them, and they me over nothing more than a perception stemming from communication purely in writing. I just hope that the freedoms and the wonders of the life we have on this earth at this particular time in human history is not lost on us and we can be grateful and appreciate it for what it is...truly extraordinary.
I know that seems a bit too grandiloquent for such a savage place as the internet, but much like the promise of a burgeoning frontier, the internet is STILL the way of the future, and one day, if we can manage to reign in the more destructive and greedy side of human nature, we can enjoy a world that's transparent to us, wherein people can share ideas and information without acting like monkeys at a monolith.
There are some brilliant minds that pass this way, and I believe in the power of that, of having such minds converging on the same place to communicate, relate, debate, and share ideas about everything around us. Such is the stuff of great movements. Such things have the power to change history. I know a lot of the people here scoff at that somewhat, but hell, look around, it's already happening! Let's not take such things for granted or leave them solely under the will of people in government bodies or corporate boardrooms and we'll be ok.
...and yea, I'll try to loosen up. ;)
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:47:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
What he said.
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 21:43:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
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We know that, well at least I know that.
I don't think I am going to change him, I don't care.
It amuses me to see his stuff.
His claims of wisdom, of knowing the truth, of joining the peace corp, of living off the grid, even this post and his "act of defiance". It is the funniest shit on the web. The fact that he believes he is doing something (even though he doesn't have the balls or backbone to ask for his tax money back from uncle sam) is hilarious. The people who believe his shit, or think he is going to do something when he floats from cause to cause and never actually following through on what he says make my day.
Not only does it crack me up, it is an ego boost. I am an average joe. I am healthy, I own a house, I have a good job, I am engaged to the woman I love, I have lived in exotic countries I guess I am better that average, I am happy, but I am never going to be great outside my circle of friends and family. And I have accepted that. But when I see someone who believes they are going to be great and be involved in great struggles and then they fall so terribly short of their goals it makes me feel good about myself. When I see someone whose sworn arch enemy is a system they are living in and supporting, when I see them unwilling to make the slightest effort to fight it, that makes me feel good about the things I have struggled through.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:58:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
tom i don't even read them anymore.
i just like to go where the action's at.
PARTY! Woo!
Submitted by shitfuck (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:57:13 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Congrats, you're on the MVA!!!
NOW GO GET SOME SUN!!!
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:51:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I'm not "bothered," Pen. Once I click the little X button in the top right of the screen I won't care, but while I'm here, I might as well talk about how ridiculous this is. Ever since ETS started this conspiracy theory "I'm a lunatic" style of posting, people have been ALL OVER his posts.
My point is, the people who flood to every post he makes to argue with him are dumping gallon after gallon of gasoline (petrol for you UK users) and pounds (kilograms) of wood on the fire. What started as a love note burning in a waste basket has grown into a fully engulfed office building. The funny thing is, if you all would ignore him, he's stop. It might take a month straight of seeing his psychotic ramblings dominating the front page, but it would eventually stop.
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:44:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:42:59 (#)
Ranking: -2
You people are pathetic. ETS probably masturbates to the hits he's getting.
"OH MY GOD, MY MESSAGE IS GETTING 'OUT THERE' TO THE MASSES! I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!"
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tom, stuff bothers you way to much.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:44:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Tom, I honestly could give a rats ass if he prints this out and papercuts his wrists with it for pleasure.
I enjoy this, and that's the only reason I need.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:43:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I am only glad that at some point some now-stone-dead bugger questioned Feudalism. I'm glad someone finally realized the folly of emperors and kings with their "Divine Right". I'm glad that people wrote and questioned and challenged and took to the streets through the course of history, otherwise we wouldn't have the freedom to follow the rules.
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The best form of government is an autocracy ruled by a benevolent leader. Like a well run business with no micro managing and committees, every decision is simplified.
But, unfortunatly, a Benevolent Autocracy has only been shown to work in small villages.
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:42:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You people are pathetic. ETS probably masturbates to the hits he's getting.
"OH MY GOD, MY MESSAGE IS GETTING 'OUT THERE' TO THE MASSES! I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!"
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:39:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
congrats on mva
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:07:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
So, Brad.
You think we need a new type of government?
We need a new form of leadership?
Suggestion?
What kind of government do *YOU* think we need?
Give it to me from the top down.
Leadership.
Lawmaking.
Law-ruling.
States.
Cities.
Big list.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:02:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I love ya Bradley, I know you're a good person deep down, and I think in another life you and I could be good friends. I just wish you'd tone it down a bit, and not be such a cock face about things
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 20:01:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:56:39 (#)
Ranking: 0
Is that a frech lady reference?
They really don't teach history in the US do they?
Well I'm off to bed.
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No Eddie Izzard. Cake or death?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:56:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Is that a frech lady reference?
They really don't teach history in the US do they?
Well I'm off to bed.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:54:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
But we would have plenty of cake.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:52:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:43:12 (#)
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If you don't like it you don't have to live there, if you want to live there you have to follow the rules.
It is a very simple concept.
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I am only glad that at some point some now-stone-dead bugger questioned Feudalism. I'm glad someone finally realized the folly of emperors and kings with their "Divine Right". I'm glad that people wrote and questioned and challenged and took to the streets through the course of history, otherwise we wouldn't have the freedom to follow the rules.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:50:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
HADUKEN by DCWoody!
We don't own jack shit in the government, and we haven't in a long long time.
Now, here's what I wish I'd be able to see in the future.
In November, the Republicans will be swept out of House of Reps and MAYBE the Senate.
In 2008, if the Senate is still righty, that will change, along with a Democrat into the White House.
Then watch ETS, as he turns into the government lover.
I would laugh at that, but sadly, ETS will die a few months into being "off-the-grid" because he misread the section in his Boy Scout handbook labeled "Poisonous Plants"
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:43:12 EDT (#)
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"No, sir, we have control over THEM."
Yeah obviously.
Its the WE part thats important, the government represents the majority of the we, and the majority of the we say pay your taxes.
The government has control over you. The government is decided by democratic means (sort of), but then they're in charge until the next election.
The government is chosen to be in charge, and then it is in charge.
The government was elected to run the country, and until the next election they have control over you. They are in charge. Not you.
You had your say at the election, you lost cos you were in a minority, and you have to accpet that cos thats how the US works. If you don't like it you don't have to live there, if you want to live there you have to follow the rules.
It is a very simple concept.
Submitted by Whiplash (user info) at 2006-04-11 19:19:10 EDT (#)
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how cute i'm feeding the fire
i'm technically retarded and even --I-- think every word you've ever said is jibberish
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:57:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:19:29 (#)
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ETS.
Democracy doesn't chancge anything, it lets you have a tiny tiny say in who your government is every now and again.
Right now its Bush and Co, later it'll be someone else, it still doesn't make any difference.
You are a citizen of the US and its government has control over you.
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No, sir, we have control over THEM.
This is the magic of that little 'Constitution' you seem to think is so overrated.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:53:40 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:37:22 (#)
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEehehehehehehehehe this is funny...
Democracy, ETS?
Dude, I thought you knew enough about "politics" and the like to not make that VERY common mistake.
We're not a DEMOCRACY. We never have been. We're a REPUBLIC.
---see previous review
We vote for the people who vote on the laws. (You know, the Senate? The House of Reps?)
---correct, you get a gold star
We vote for the people who vote for our leaders. (remember the Electoral College?)
---This varies by state, but somewhat correct. The political parties vote for them at their convention, not everyone.
Those people SHOULD listen to what the masses have to say, but they're not FORCED to do so. They sign no contract that says "I will poll my constituents and vote however the majority decides."
---technically they could be. We got pissed at Gray Davis and booted his ass out. the E.C. is elected every election year, so they could be black balled as well
In a democracy, popular vote of the people would decide EVERYTHING.
Every law in the Senate and House of Reps would go to a public vote.
The popular vote totals would determine the Presidential Elections.
---true, that's what makes us a democratic republic, not a true democracy. Could you imagine having to have 150,000,000 vote for every little bill, etc.? not realistic.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:46:17 EDT (#)
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The democratic part of "democratic republic" has been so watered down.
Seriously, the only laws that the individuals vote on are laws that the governing body allows. Even if an issue is placed on the abllot by petition, it has to be done legally, through the process set out by the governing body.
The best place to find a "democracy" is a small town that still decides everything during Town Hall meetings.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:45:54 EDT (#)
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goddamn, nitpicking.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:43:22 EDT (#)
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Democratic Republic
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:37:22 EDT (#)
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEehehehehehehehehe this is funny...
Democracy, ETS?
Dude, I thought you knew enough about "politics" and the like to not make that VERY common mistake.
We're not a DEMOCRACY. We never have been. We're a REPUBLIC.
We vote for the people who vote on the laws. (You know, the Senate? The House of Reps?)
We vote for the people who vote for our leaders. (remember the Electoral College?)
Those people SHOULD listen to what the masses have to say, but they're not FORCED to do so. They sign no contract that says "I will poll my constituents and vote however the majority decides."
In a democracy, popular vote of the people would decide EVERYTHING.
Every law in the Senate and House of Reps would go to a public vote.
The popular vote totals would determine the Presidential Elections.
I'm shocked you, the almighty politico, messed that up.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 18:19:29 EDT (#)
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ETS.
Democracy doesn't chancge anything, it lets you have a tiny tiny say in who your government is every now and again.
Right now its Bush and Co, later it'll be someone else, it still doesn't make any difference.
You are a citizen of the US and its government has control over you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 17:42:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 16:42:28 (#)
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You are a citizen of the US and its government has control over you.
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Apparently you missed Democracy 101.
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-11 17:28:09 EDT (#)
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"There are plenty of things america could boast about, but the main two are the constitution and single handedly defeating the Nazis"
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Your kidding about the nazis I hope?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 16:42:28 EDT (#)
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Okay, I'm gonna stop with tht arguing and write a response to the post again.
The 1st quote is great.
the line alter of convenience is great.
then theres a lot of pretensious crap in the middle.
then this
" also hereby declare my independance from the government of the United States of America until such time as they get back to doing what they're there to do, DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC."
Firstly, I think you guys are a little too prideful of your infamous constitution, its not that great, its too rigid and modern american governments basically ignore it.
There are plenty of things america could boast about, but the main two are the constitution and single handedly defeating the Nazis. It's like the worlds greatest long jumper keeping going on about how his hair is better than anyone elses. When hes ginger.
Secondly you CAN'T declare your independance of the government of the US.
Well thats not true, you can if you want, you can declare yourself to be a direct male line descendant of Jesus Christ if you really feel like it but it won't make any difference.
You are a citizen of the US and its government has control over you. The US government, unlike some, allows people to stop being citizens of the US and continue breathing.
But you can't eat your cake and have it. If you want to live in the USA then you must accept the law of the land and the law of the land IS the US government.
The US government owns the US, if you want to live their then you are a US citizen, if you don't want to be a US citizen then you can't live their.
Its as simple as that. You cannot choose to go live in the woods and stop being a citizen, because its their woods.
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2006-04-11 16:07:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:27:30 (#)
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ubmitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:21:18 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
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Is that pic for real?
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so it seems
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Jeebus that creeped me out. Where do you even get secret society rings? And why two? So that no matter what secret handshake you do they can see the ring?
Was Thoreau part of the Masons? I think not. In fact I think he would have disliked an such organization as a surrogate to true social responsibility and self actualization...
But then again, what do I know?
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 16:07:45 EDT (#)
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Couple of things, just in general...
1) I can get you the number of the department that will allow you to dissolve your citizenship if you'd like, ETS. It takes about 45 days to do the paperwork, and you must find a recognized country that will have you as a citizen.
2) No raise. We don't actually RUN the government, persey, we just kind of walk around all the time, and get a president elected or twelve. And we don't claim Dubbya, although we don't mind his pappy.
3) ETS playing himself off as brave for being willing to "drop off the grid" for a year is like me playing myself off as a "fitness guru" because my doctor put my fat ass on a diet.
4) Um... I guess 3 is all.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 15:57:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:37:29 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:34:07 (#)
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Too many people are chickenshit about doing the right thing these days. It's nice to know some people aren't.
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Here we have ETS saying he's brave...hahahahha
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But not brave enough to ask for his money back from Uncle Sam.
Way to make the laziest thing in the world, not filing taxes, seem like a courageous david vs goliath struggle against the system.
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2006-04-11 15:55:42 EDT (#)
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I also hereby declare my independance from the government of the United States of America until such time as they get back to doing what they're there to do
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If you hinder the actions of one side you inadvertantly bolster the actions of the other.
Activists think putting themselves on the line somehow makes their beliefs valid, newsflash: it doesn't.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:37:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:34:07 (#)
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Too many people are chickenshit about doing the right thing these days. It's nice to know some people aren't.
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Here we have ETS saying he's brave...hahahahha
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:16:48 EDT (#)
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i know. people actually believe it enough to buy the rings and wear them. like ETS in that picture.
anyway, i work for the govt, and you are a mason and we all know you guys run the govt. can i have a raise?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:15:55 EDT (#)
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Still no answer ETS?
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1927139
Go ahead and pretend I am asking you to lie again.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:12:33 EDT (#)
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Ah, sorry.
But you can imagine, since A&D came out, people have really started believing that kind of jibba jabba again. It's been odd, to say the least.
But I can say this, at least I'm not a Shriner.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-11 14:00:25 EDT (#)
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sorry, that was wrong of me. i was being sarcastic.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:59:39 EDT (#)
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NO SHIT YOU FAT BLOB. I WAS BEING FACETIOUS.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:58:28 EDT (#)
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Um, dude.
I'm a Mason.
My family has been Mason for... I wanna say 10 generations, now.
The Dan Brown thing is just about as untrue as anything I've read on the Onion.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:48:52 EDT (#)
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nice illuminati rings nutball. you must LOVE dan brown.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:27:30 EDT (#)
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ubmitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:21:18 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
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Is that pic for real?
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so it seems
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:22:56 EDT (#)
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W
T
F
Last time I saw this, there were like, 110 reviews.
SOMEONE WENT WACKO AGAIN, DIDN'T THEY?
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-04-11 13:21:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
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Is that pic for real?
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 12:45:45 EDT (#)
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"[Long thumbnails have a myriad of uses. They come in especialy handy in opening new CD packaging.] "
True.
"Please don't squish me.
[Heh. Aren't you English? Why are you afraid of the FBI?] "
Just being careful...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 12:37:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:57:11 (#)
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"I posted the pic on someone else's post to give them something to think about"
Bad move unfortunatly, quite ruined your credibility.
[It was just a joke. Nothing more. It doesn't define who I am. Besides, if I were a Mason and yet I'm still talking about the elite that rule the world, might it not stand to reason that I'd have some sort of inside information that I simply wasn't at liberty to discuss?]
"Plus, if I ever had to tear out a person's eyeballs, it would be much easier with a healthy set of thumbnails...I guess. "
Funny that, I keep a thumbnail long for precisely the same reason*. That and potentially slitting carotid arteries. But then I've just had chavs throw bricks at my building, all because what the flat downstairs had done.
[Long thumbnails have a myriad of uses. They come in especialy handy in opening new CD packaging.]
*Dear FBI, though we might share a similar pedicural philosophy, I do not share ETS's militancy. Personally I do dissagree with the present US administration, but I know that "two wrongs don't makea right".
Please don't squish me.
[Heh. Aren't you English? Why are you afraid of the FBI?]
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:57:58 EDT (#)
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I am pretty sure I asked you why you aren't asking for your money back for the reasons listed on this post
here http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1927076
and here http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1927027
and here http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1926588
and here http://www.ubersite.com/m/86432#1926105
and in none of them did I say to lie about dependents, or make up a scam.
I simply asked you to fucking back up what you say.
What is the problem ETS do you not believe what you say or are you too scared or too lazy or is it all three. This would take all of 15 minutes to do, an it wouldn't involve lying, but you won't do it, why is that?
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:57:11 EDT (#)
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"I posted the pic on someone else's post to give them something to think about"
Bad move unfortunatly, quite ruined your credibility.
"Plus, if I ever had to tear out a person's eyeballs, it would be much easier with a healthy set of thumbnails...I guess. "
Funny that, I keep a thumbnail long for precisely the same reason*. That and potentially slitting carotid arteries. But then I've just had chavs throw bricks at my building, all because what the flat downstairs had done.
*Dear FBI, though we might share a similar pedicural philosophy, I do not share ETS's militancy. Personally I do dissagree with the present US administration, but I know that "two wrongs don't makea right".
Please don't squish me.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:50:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:40:12 (#)
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I told you 1000 times, you non-listening PIECE OF SHIT.
I'm not going to lie. To get money back like you're suggesting I'd have to LIE TO DO IT. However, I can take what money I STILL OWE the federal government on my income tax return, which equals $178, and give it to charity instead and it will be honest and still effective to illustrate my point.
WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Oh that's right, you understand it, you just like acting like an idiot on my posts in an effort to confuse the point and mislead others into believing your bullshit.
FUCK. OFF.
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Where did I say lie? I mentioned about a hundred reviews ago about the dependents, you said you wouldn't lie and I dropped it.
How many times since then did I say you didn't have to lie?
Fill out your 1040 and ask for a tax credt because you believe you shouldn't pay federal taxes. How is that a lie? Yeah you might not get your money back, but at least it would be an "act of defiance", not an act of being to laxy to follow through with the bullshit you preach.
What don't you get about that? How difficult is it to understand? Where is the lie?
I am not misleading others, I am pointing out your bullshit.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:42:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:40:12 (#)
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I told you 1000 times, you non-listening PIECE OF SHIT.
I'm not going to lie. To get money back like you're suggesting I'd have to LIE TO DO IT. However, I can take what money I STILL OWE the federal government on my income tax return, which equals $178, and give it to charity instead and it will be honest and still effective to illustrate my point.
WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Oh that's right, you understand it, you just like acting like an idiot on my posts in an effort to confuse the point and mislead others into believing your bullshit.
FUCK. OFF.
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Another testimony of ETS's benevolence.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:40:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:20:38 (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:03:13 (#)
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i'm still wondering how to get money back by filing a 1040. i already did my taxes this year and broke even but if i could get the last few years back or something i'd love to know which boxes to check.
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Well you probably won't get it back.
But a few years ago a bunch of people filled out their tax forms and put in for a tax credit for their "40 acres and a mule". Some of them got it, of course the IRS eventually came after them.
ETS believes he is entitled to the money he has paid in federal taxes, if he really believes this, and he really wants to perform an act of defiance he should include his beliefs on his tax forms and ask for his tax money back. Like I said no guarantee he would get it back, but it would be an act of defiance instead of an act of apathy or laziness.
Any way to get your tax money back would be illegal, and I wouldn't advise it, of course ETS is prepared for that (or at least he says it is) so I don't understand why he isn't trying.
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I told you 1000 times, you non-listening PIECE OF SHIT.
I'm not going to lie. To get money back like you're suggesting I'd have to LIE TO DO IT. However, I can take what money I STILL OWE the federal government on my income tax return, which equals $178, and give it to charity instead and it will be honest and still effective to illustrate my point.
WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Oh that's right, you understand it, you just like acting like an idiot on my posts in an effort to confuse the point and mislead others into believing your bullshit.
FUCK. OFF.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:38:52 EDT (#)
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Leave your dungeon and get some sun, ya fucking nutjob.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:32:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:15:34 (#)
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Leave economics alone man...what did it ever do to you? You're "plan" for getting out of the hole is painfully laughable.
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And you can't tell me why. What a surprise that is.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:29:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:19:52 (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:20:01 (#)
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you're not paying attention to what Caul is saying. he's not disregarding those points with which he agrees. he's disregarding the attitude with which they're displayed.
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And where is the attitude?--cause I don't see it.
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Yes, it must be because you are a victim. Having zero admittance is great sign of introspection.
Assuming that you are intellectually superior to everybody and claiming that you own the Truth and the solution for the world's problem and that you're a misunderstood genius are signs of humility.
So is ignoring 90% of arguments only to select those that you can refute in order to promote your idea.
Getting mad and borderline psychotic when someone invalidates your conspiracy theories within seconds is also a great display of maturity.
Calling everybody brainwashed and sheeps because they don't cling to your six years old simplistic view of the world shows how open-minded you are.
I could go on and on and on but it's a waste of time since "you don't see it".
Just make sure you NEVER ever reflect on your blatant attitude problem. This way you can keep living under the illusion that you're the embodiment of perfection. Completly devoid of flaws and exempt from criticism.
After all, that's what crazy people do. And it is kinda entertaining. :-)
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:20:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:03:13 (#)
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i'm still wondering how to get money back by filing a 1040. i already did my taxes this year and broke even but if i could get the last few years back or something i'd love to know which boxes to check.
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Well you probably won't get it back.
But a few years ago a bunch of people filled out their tax forms and put in for a tax credit for their "40 acres and a mule". Some of them got it, of course the IRS eventually came after them.
ETS believes he is entitled to the money he has paid in federal taxes, if he really believes this, and he really wants to perform an act of defiance he should include his beliefs on his tax forms and ask for his tax money back. Like I said no guarantee he would get it back, but it would be an act of defiance instead of an act of apathy or laziness.
Any way to get your tax money back would be illegal, and I wouldn't advise it, of course ETS is prepared for that (or at least he says it is) so I don't understand why he isn't trying.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:15:34 EDT (#)
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Leave economics alone man...what did it ever do to you? You're "plan" for getting out of the hole is painfully laughable.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 11:03:13 EDT (#)
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i'm still wondering how to get money back by filing a 1040. i already did my taxes this year and broke even but if i could get the last few years back or something i'd love to know which boxes to check.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:55:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:45:05 (#)
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so this is a serious comment and a serious question. in that picture, you really do look like you're plotting bombings from an abandoned missile silo left over from 1956 in south dakota or something. do you actually like that image?
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Of course he does. He like to project an image of being a defiant badass on the edge.
Although he doesn't have the balls or motivation to do any real acts of defiance. Like filling out a 1040 and asking for his money back because of the reasons he listed here. He is only defiant enough to not send in a check to the govt.
Just like he doesn't believe in his ideas of helping those less fortunate by joining the Peace corps.
Just like he won't believe in living off the grid once it comes down to it.
He is all talk, actually not even talk he is all posts and bad camwhores.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:52:01 EDT (#)
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How'd you know where I was! What do you know! Who sent you!?
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:45:05 EDT (#)
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so this is a serious comment and a serious question. in that picture, you really do look like you're plotting bombings from an abandoned missile silo left over from 1956 in south dakota or something. do you actually like that image?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:27:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 05:43:17 (#)
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Oh my God, what a picture. Didn't read the whole post, I'm in enough trouble without none payment of taxes. Personally I feel that acknowledging the possibilities of conspiracies by keeping your head down and gathering wealth, power and a good woman; to be the best policy.
But what in the hell where you doing with that pic, that's just irresponsible. You are doing your side an injustice by looking like such a loony.
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I posted the pic on someone else's post to give them something to think about. Caul saw fit to bring it here for some reason. His obsession with me knows no bounds.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:22:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:16:26 (#)
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ya know he says he's a finger picker and that explains the obscenely long nails but that doesn't really fit. if he was using his nails to pick only one hand would have long nails, makes me wonder if he's right or left handed because if he's right handed that also means he's growing the wrong nails too long and playing chords properly would actually be harder not easier.
hey method how long can you live off that pic?
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I'm right handed. The only nail on my left hand that is long is my thumb nail. That has nothing to do with guitar and more to do with symmetry.
Plus, if I ever had to tear out a person's eyeballs, it would be much easier with a healthy set of thumbnails...I guess.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:19:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:20:01 (#)
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you're not paying attention to what Caul is saying. he's not disregarding those points with which he agrees. he's disregarding the attitude with which they're displayed.
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And where is the attitude?--cause I don't see it.
What the hell did I say on this one that was TOO MUCH for you people? As I recall, I was attacked over and over again pretty much from the get go.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-11 10:16:26 EDT (#)
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ya know he says he's a finger picker and that explains the obscenely long nails but that doesn't really fit. if he was using his nails to pick only one hand would have long nails, makes me wonder if he's right or left handed because if he's right handed that also means he's growing the wrong nails too long and playing chords properly would actually be harder not easier.
hey method how long can you live off that pic?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-11 07:15:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:48:29 (#)
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If I were too lazy to pay taxes I wouldn't have actually gone to Turbotax and filled out my entire return only to turn around, not file it, and give it to a reputable charity instead.
Why is it really that hard to believe that a man can still have conviction over something? Is the world really that far gone?
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How do you have conviction if you can't even say this to the Govt? How do you have conviction if you can't take the 15 minutes it takes to fill out a 1040 by hand and send in a letter explaining why you want all your federal tax back?
Once again the only reasonable conclusion I can draw is that you are full of shit and lack the balls to practice what you preach. If you believed what you wrote you wouldn't be happy with the fed keeping the lions share of your federal taxes. You wouldn't be afraid, or too lazy to send this statement to the IRS and ask for your money back.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 06:27:52 EDT (#)
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dont you DARE argue with him, his tactics are infallible!
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 06:15:35 EDT (#)
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Erm, don't know what to say really, surely there must be smarter ways to fight "the Man".
Personally I would have joined the Republican party, get on the dirt on the inside and shafted them properly. Should have started that at 16 - 18 years of age.
Actually that's not a bad idea ETs, change your name and infiltrate; come back with the facts.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 05:46:36 EDT (#)
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Hey Jimmo, you must have missed these gems then
http://nymethod.com/ets.html
http://www.nymethod.com/ets_live_video.html
Submitted by Jimmo (user info) at 2006-04-11 05:43:17 EDT (#)
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Oh my God, what a picture. Didn't read the whole post, I'm in enough trouble without none payment of taxes. Personally I feel that acknowledging the possibilities of conspiracies by keeping your head down and gathering wealth, power and a good woman; to be the best policy.
But what in the hell where you doing with that pic, that's just irresponsible. You are doing your side an injustice by looking like such a loony.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-11 05:10:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
OH MAN am I ever gonna have fun with THAT picture
hoooooooooooooooly fuck
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-11 04:43:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 04:10:13 (#)
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"If/when I get caught I'm gonna have my lawyer print out this page and read it to the media at a press conference."
Press conference? what fucking press conference? you think people who don't pay their taxes get given a press conference?
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-11 04:10:13 EDT (#)
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"If/when I get caught I'm gonna have my lawyer print out this page and read it to the media at a press conference."
Press conference? what fucking press conference? you think people who don't pay their taxes get given a press conference?
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:35:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:20:01 (#)
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you're not paying attention to what Caul is saying. he's not disregarding those points with which he agrees. he's disregarding the attitude with which they're displayed.
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I know, but I like getting on my high horse. Apparently he's rubbing off on me, and not in an enjoyable, sticky way.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:20:01 EDT (#)
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you're not paying attention to what Caul is saying. he's not disregarding those points with which he agrees. he's disregarding the attitude with which they're displayed.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 03:04:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:26:21 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
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Are you explain why or are you just gonna sit there and root for your boyfriend like a dumb cunt with pom-poms?
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Dude, you could have addressed that statement to anyone on uber and I would have said exactly the same - there's no need to assume that my criticism of you is a defence of him. The attitude you just displayed is, to my mind, pathetic. Put that statement in a vaccuum and I'd still feel the same.
And if I have to explain why you declaring that you feel compelled to disregard valid points that someone makes simply because you don't like them is pathetic, then you're nowhere near as intelligent as I thought you were.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:35:35 EDT (#)
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p.s. you are the next Roch Thériault...wildboy!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:32:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:11:24 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
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No shit it is.
Hey Kathy, you wanna see what I'm talking about when I say that the military are fucking brainwashed?
Check this shit out: http://www.ubersite.com/m/86470
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hahaha...you two make a great pair! On a cyber mission for better or for worse!
See you tomorrow for yet another installment of ETS aberrations!
Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:28:23 EDT (#)
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I'm surprised you haven't given up yet ETS, but good on you man.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:26:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
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Are you explain why or are you just gonna sit there and root for your boyfriend like a dumb cunt with pom-poms?
In case you misunderstood me, regardless of how right or wrong I think you are, I cannot stand people who try to cram down their beliefs down people's throat just because they convinced themselves they are geniuses. As I've said trillion times already, perhaps when Bradley here learns to get over himself, people will be ready to listen to his "prophecies". Until then, this portentous piece of shit can get bent.
That might be pathetic...OK. But may I add that your devotion to some Internet nobody with illusions of grandeur really leaves you no room to comment on what is or isn't pathetic.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:11:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:13 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
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No shit it is.
Hey Kathy, you wanna see what I'm talking about when I say that the military are fucking brainwashed?
Check this shit out: http://www.ubersite.com/m/86470
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 (#)
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I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
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My god caul, that's pathetic.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 02:07:09 EDT (#)
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you are not normal http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/masonic_ets.jpg
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 01:56:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 01:33:12 (#)
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Don't you ever consider that it's caustic, acrid comments like that that make me react the way I do to you people?
I extend an olive branch and you smack it away with your short-sighted bullshit.
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"Chat échaudé craint l'eau froide"
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 01:33:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:40:49 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:32:18 (#)
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Look, man, I understand that I might remind you of your fucking roommate whose ideas and manner you obviously hate, but can't you for an instant understand that I am not him? Can you not give me the benefit of the doubt?
This shit we're talking about here is too important to let such bullshit as our personal feelings toward one another stifle creative debate. That's all I'm asking for here - creative debate.
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I know you're not him. Otherwise you'd be writing blogs titled "I'm a Ferrari without gas" (<- I'm not kidding) and such. I just see similarities.
Creative debate? YOU want motherfucking creative debate?
There must have been a hundred people by now who pointed out your blatant attitude problem and just about the entire palette of mental issues.
If you can't see why by now, if you still think it's not your fault, you need to complete what you started in 1995 and pull that trigger.
The gene pool won't miss you.
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Don't you ever consider that it's caustic, acrid comments like that that make me react the way I do to you people?
I extend an olive branch and you smack it away with your short-sighted bullshit.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:37:27 (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:31:14 (#)
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Then I suppose you won't mind that I, among others, informed the FBI on your various physical threats toward your state representative along with your name and adress.
After all, you're a man of convicton :-D
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Dude, do what you feel you gotta do. I really don't give a shit. I have an excellent case if it's taken to court simply because what I said, while vile and hateful, was in no way a death threat.
Besides, the man is a fucking Senator. Don't you think he can decide for himself whether he wants to inform on me to the FBI? Furthermore, I'm sure the FBI must be fully aware of me by now. If they're not, they're not doing a very fucking good job.
If I gave a FUCK about repercussions, I wouldn't have said what I said in the first place. That's just the kind of crazy son-of-a-bitch I am. I say, LET THEM COME.
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Or maybe the FBI realized by now that you're all talk, no action (as we have seen a number of times already)
Your temper tantrums must be filed under the "Pussies" folder at the NSA.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:40:49 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:32:18 (#)
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Look, man, I understand that I might remind you of your fucking roommate whose ideas and manner you obviously hate, but can't you for an instant understand that I am not him? Can you not give me the benefit of the doubt?
This shit we're talking about here is too important to let such bullshit as our personal feelings toward one another stifle creative debate. That's all I'm asking for here - creative debate.
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I know you're not him. Otherwise you'd be writing blogs titled "I'm a Ferrari without gas" (<- I'm not kidding) and such. I just see similarities.
Creative debate? YOU want motherfucking creative debate?
There must have been a hundred people by now who pointed out your blatant attitude problem and just about the entire palette of mental issues.
If you can't see why by now, if you still think it's not your fault, you need to complete what you started in 1995 and pull that trigger.
The gene pool won't miss you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:37:27 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:31:14 (#)
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Then I suppose you won't mind that I, among others, informed the FBI on your various physical threats toward your state representative along with your name and adress.
After all, you're a man of convicton :-D
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Dude, do what you feel you gotta do. I really don't give a shit. I have an excellent case if it's taken to court simply because what I said, while vile and hateful, was in no way a death threat.
Besides, the man is a fucking Senator. Don't you think he can decide for himself whether he wants to inform on me to the FBI? Furthermore, I'm sure the FBI must be fully aware of me by now. If they're not, they're not doing a very fucking good job.
If I gave a FUCK about repercussions, I wouldn't have said what I said in the first place. That's just the kind of crazy son-of-a-bitch I am. I say, LET THEM COME.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:32:18 EDT (#)
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Look, man, I understand that I might remind you of your fucking roommate whose ideas and manner you obviously hate, but can't you for an instant understand that I am not him? Can you not give me the benefit of the doubt?
This shit we're talking about here is too important to let such bullshit as our personal feelings toward one another stifle creative debate. That's all I'm asking for here - creative debate.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:31:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:24:33 (#)
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Caul, allow me to direct you to the response I left below:
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:40:54 (#)
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You know what, ETS? I find it funny that you believe immigrants should be punished for breaking the law and coming here illegally when you're planning to break the law and do something illegal yourself on this very post.
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And I'm fully prepared to accept whatever consequences that entails. So should they.
Breaking the law and expecting punishment is one thing....
Breaking the law and expecting amnesty is a different thing altogether.
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Then I suppose you won't mind that I, among others, informed the FBI on your various physical threats toward your state representative along with your name and adress.
After all, you're a man of convicton :-D
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:27:34 EDT (#)
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Neither one of you, Jonny or Caul, bothered to consider fully what I said. That's because you, like Wardy are doomed and determined to write me off as nothing more than a quack...a charletan. You simply will not accept the idea that I might have a point. """
I never said that you didn't have a point. I happen to agree with some things you say but I'll never do a narcissistic piece of shit such as yourself the favor of conceding him a point.
I think I have mentionned plenty of times that I don't mind the message, I just fucking hate the messenger.
In my view, you embody absolutely everything that I cannot stand in my generation. I explained why so many times already, I don't even know how to phrase it anymore.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:24:33 EDT (#)
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Caul, allow me to direct you to the response I left below:
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:45:13 (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:40:54 (#)
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You know what, ETS? I find it funny that you believe immigrants should be punished for breaking the law and coming here illegally when you're planning to break the law and do something illegal yourself on this very post.
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And I'm fully prepared to accept whatever consequences that entails. So should they.
Breaking the law and expecting punishment is one thing....
Breaking the law and expecting amnesty is a different thing altogether.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:17:11 EDT (#)
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ETS arguments against illegal immigrants (who are doing jobs no fat lazy american would never do anyway) is that they MUST enter the country the LEGAL way .
But then ETS will do illegal acts to oppose his government.
He'll even wish death upon his representatives!
ETS is a walking contradiction. It must be his misunderstood genius.
Or a hypocritical douchebag...take your pick.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:16:28 EDT (#)
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2) Any company that decides to relocate outside the country as a result of this tariff will have a harder time reaching the American market. If, for instance, a company such as Microsoft decided they wanted to jump ship to Europe (which, by the way, wouldn't happen because they employ mostly Americans in their business ventures) because of the tariffs, they would have a harder time selling their products back on the American market, and it would open the door for other companies such as Linux to close the market gap.
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I wanted to go ahead and say upfront, Europe was a bad example. I meant to say China or some such country. The labor laws in Europe are pretty much on par with those here in the U.S., so relocating there would't pose much of a strategic advantage to a U.S.-based company.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:11:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:53:06 (#)
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We can't afford ILLEGAL Immigration. ILLEGAL Immigrants don't pay taxes, and suck of the taxpayer's teet, while they take most of their money that they earn back to...ahem...Mexico. Why do you think that Vincente Fox isn't doing anything about it?
I'm all for Immigration, the legal kind. Like my Great Grandparents did in the late 19th cent. Their name is on a plaque at ellis Island. They did it the legal way, the right way.
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I agree 100%.
See below.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-11 00:10:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:11:18 (#)
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Someone else will be glad to take their place.
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actually, no, there won't be anybody. All that wealth will go with them - I'm sure you'd love to see that, America reduced to an agrarian, pre-industrial society.
Which is what's gonna happen when those nukes go off in NYC, DC, LA, SF, ATL, ChiTown, etc, etc.
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You're not thinking this through. Here's what happens in a nutshell...
1) Impose tariffs on foreign goods from places where wages are next to nothing (China, Indonesia, India, etc...) until such time as they change their policies to raise worker wages through labor reform.
2) Any company that decides to relocate outside the country as a result of this tariff will have a harder time reaching the American market. If, for instance, a company such as Microsoft decided they wanted to jump ship to Europe (which, by the way, wouldn't happen because they employ mostly Americans in their business ventures) because of the tariffs, they would have a harder time selling their products back on the American market, and it would open the door for other companies such as Linux to close the market gap.
3) Refusing to grant general amnesty on all illegals in the country and imposing stiffer penalties on those that hire them can do nothing but drive up American wages overall as well as gainful employment for Americans. Of course this is also going to push inflation upward somewhat, but as many of you have argued, this is even better for us if we're hoping to pay down the debt.
4) Get our troops out of Iraq, stop this unjust war once and for all, and let's start policing our OWN GODDAMN COUNTRY for once instead of policing the world. This will cut the defense budget, help us balance the overall budget, and free up more cash for the kinds of services I think all people of a civilized and wealthy society should enjoy, such as free universal healthcare. This will take time, but it can be done.
5) Tariffs would get us back in the black again. Here's why.... The whole reason we're in the red right now is because we're buying excess goods on credit from countries such as China because they are cheap. Electronics, textiles, decorative goods, paper products, furniture, and even some software...virtually every item you might buy in a Wal-Mart or equivalent outlet is made in China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Taiwan...any thrid world country with lax labor laws is open season for the super rich business owners based in our country to move their labor force and peddle their wares right back to us at massive profits, thus killing American average wages and shifting our available workforce from one of engineering and industry to something more service-based. The illegal immigrants in this country further complicate the matter by their willingness to work for much less without workman's compensation or unemployment, without insurance coverage or legal recourse against unlawful exploitation. It's a bad deal all around.
If you want the real answers, there they are. That's how to get America back in the black again. That's how to make her a productive country again, instead of a pushy, consumer-driven, debt-driven, destructive force in the world.
Neither one of you, Jonny or Caul, bothered to consider fully what I said. That's because you, like Wardy are doomed and determined to write me off as nothing more than a quack...a charletan. You simply will not accept the idea that I might have a point.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:53:06 EDT (#)
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We can't afford ILLEGAL Immigration. ILLEGAL Immigrants don't pay taxes, and suck of the taxpayer's teet, while they take most of their money that they earn back to...ahem...Mexico. Why do you think that Vincente Fox isn't doing anything about it?
I'm all for Immigration, the legal kind. Like my Great Grandparents did in the late 19th cent. Their name is on a plaque at ellis Island. They did it the legal way, the right way.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:48:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:45:10 (#)
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If/when I get caught I'm gonna have my lawyer print out this page and read it to the media at a press conference.
That's the plan, at least.
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Once again you are full of shit.
If you believed in this statement you would fill out your 1040 and send this in with it. As it stands right now you are another degenerate who is too lazy to pay taxes, only you write posts about how you being lazy is defiance of the govt.
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If I were too lazy to pay taxes I wouldn't have actually gone to Turbotax and filled out my entire return only to turn around, not file it, and give it to a reputable charity instead.
Why is it really that hard to believe that a man can still have conviction over something? Is the world really that far gone?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:45:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:40:54 (#)
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You know what, ETS? I find it funny that you believe immigrants should be punished for breaking the law and coming here illegally when you're planning to break the law and do something illegal yourself on this very post.
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And I'm fully prepared to accept whatever consequences that entails. So should they.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:38:45 EDT (#)
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right, i understand that. i guess i was assuming we were talking about these things being in order, at which point i didn't understand ets' claim that we couldn't "afford" mexican immigration.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:21:51 EDT (#)
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It doesn't solve the problem, it enforces breaking the law. Until they can control the border and prevent/stop more Illegal immigration, you can't grant amnesty. If/When they're able to control the borders, I'm all for amnesty, as long as they haven't committed a felony. We got plenty of those as is, no need to import them.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:14:27 EDT (#)
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i'm saying that by making them legal.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-10 23:10:32 EDT (#)
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Wardy:
"please explain to me why we can't afford to allow mexicans to immigrate into the united states."
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Think of it as a roomate that doesn't pay rent.
Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2006-04-10 22:59:51 EDT (#)
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for the cause brother!
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 22:58:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:09:47 (#)
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Wardy, you don't even know what I'm arguing for or against anymore. You're just doomed and determined to oppose whatever that is. Keep running in cirlces, dickcheese.
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maybe not, but whose fault is that? it seems as if no one here can follow your pattern of logic, which is sporadic at best. sometimes you actually have good ideas. these are usually followed by either no solution or a solution which has no bearing in the society we live in today. you want us to use alternative energy sources -- great. now if you could only explain to me the cost of doing this? you want us to bring all of our troops home -- awesome plan, mr. man. but what about our allies that count on our military presence? what about the iraqis that want us in iraq (yes, there are plenty, i know people over there.) You want us to improve the economy but your solutions contradict what you've got planned for other situations. basically, it's impossible to keep up with you, so i'm sorry if i misinterpreted something you said.
please explain to me why we can't afford to allow mexicans to immigrate into the united states.
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:52:25 EDT (#)
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my poop taste like cherries.
red, round and B-E-A_Utiful!
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:45:41 EDT (#)
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ZURG
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If/when I get caught I'm gonna have my lawyer print out this page and read it to the media at a press conference.
That's the plan, at least.
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Once again you are full of shit.
If you believed in this statement you would fill out your 1040 and send this in with it. As it stands right now you are another degenerate who is too lazy to pay taxes, only you write posts about how you being lazy is defiance of the govt.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:40:54 EDT (#)
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You know what, ETS? I find it funny that you believe immigrants should be punished for breaking the law and coming here illegally when you're planning to break the law and do something illegal yourself on this very post. I know they're two different subjects but I don't think you've got room to talk here. It makes you sound like a hypocrite if you slam the government, the country, and the laws of our country but then turn around and say "Oh no! They broke the law! Off with their heads!"
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:11:18 EDT (#)
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Someone else will be glad to take their place.
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actually, no, there won't be anybody. All that wealth will go with them - I'm sure you'd love to see that, America reduced to an agrarian, pre-industrial society.
Which is what's gonna happen when those nukes go off in NYC, DC, LA, SF, ATL, ChiTown, etc, etc.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:10:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:05:14 (#)
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If you really wanna know what the solution is, it's get our industrial jobs back in this country by placing tarrifs on anything from China, etc.
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You think you're the first person to think of that? This solution was quickly ruled out because the U.S. would be hit by so many countermeasures by foreigners and considering you consume much more than produce, you'd end up even worse. Congratulations on that "solution".
You're either competitive or you're not. It's the foreigners fault if you can't position your industry on the international market.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:09:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:43:52 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:31:17 (#)
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Ok, so what you're saying is we CAN afford to support Mexico.
Smart.
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for a number of reasons it becomes a necessity to allow them to become citizens. for starters, with you not paying your taxes, we'll need at least a few to contribute to that pot. the other is security. don't you think it's a little worrisome that we have millions of people living here illegally that we have no record or control over? try not to wet yourself with excitement, it's really not as awesome as you'd think...
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Wardy, you don't even know what I'm arguing for or against anymore. You're just doomed and determined to oppose whatever that is. Keep running in cirlces, dickcheese.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:05:34 EDT (#)
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NOT TO MENTION THAT THEY CHANGED SCHEDULE Q THIS YEAR, 'DEPRECIATION ON TIN-FOIL HATS'
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:05:14 EDT (#)
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If you really wanna know what the solution is, it's get our industrial jobs back in this country by placing tarrifs on anything from China, etc. Then we can start paying Americans a decent wage to produce these things again.
We need to reign in our budget deficit by reducing military spending and pork barrel spending and basically getting our fucking governement under control. We can start by getting the Republicans out of office.
Then we need to take some of that money we save on military spending and dedicate it to building up our alternate energy sector to become more self-reliant.
Bring the troops home from all these bullshit, nation-building, foreign wars and put them on the borders to protect them. This way they'll actually BE THERE when a disaster strikes here at home, you know...doing the American people that pay their wages some real good.
Kick the Mexicans out so we can have a real competitive job market again.
Self-reliance is the key. No more of this globalization crap. We have the natural resources and skilled labor force here to be self-sustaining AND philanthropic at the same time. If American companies don't wish to operate here, then so be it. Let them leave...tough fucking titty. Majority rules, NOT those with the most money. Don't like it? Get the fuck out. Someone else will be glad to take their place.
Submitted by matnotharry (user info) at 2006-04-10 20:01:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:58:03 (#)
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Grats on the MVA.
You're far too smart for this crowd.
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:58:03 EDT (#)
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Grats on the MVA.
You're far too smart for this crowd.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:50:54 EDT (#)
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That is why this year, I am refusing to pay my federal income taxes.
YEAH, THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO MISS THAT $2.67
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:43:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:31:17 (#)
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Ok, so what you're saying is we CAN afford to support Mexico.
Smart.
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for a number of reasons it becomes a necessity to allow them to become citizens. for starters, with you not paying your taxes, we'll need at least a few to contribute to that pot. the other is security. don't you think it's a little worrisome that we have millions of people living here illegally that we have no record or control over? try not to wet yourself with excitement, it's really not as awesome as you'd think...
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:39:46 EDT (#)
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1. I see what your point is about the ego thing, but I don't think I agree. Admittedly, I don't read a lot of posts here, but it has been my impression that there are more than enough people watching out for any possible ego inflation.
2. Now, "Kung Fu Killer," THAT would have been a name. Way more bad ass.
(See wasn't this mature and thoughtful interaction better than throwing insults and trying to make me cry (which I did)? No? Ok. Fair enough.)
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:33:11 (#)
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Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:12:13 (#)
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"I am giving my honest opinion and being nice in the process. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think its the best way to communicate and make progress."
-Maybe but this guy's ego is big enough. Don't add to the problem. It's not helping him at all.
"But if this is just your way of validating the "badass[ness]" that you have so powerfully promised in your user name, please continue with the ingenious and scathing remarks."
-I'm not even the one who chose my user name, my dear. I had a friend choose it when he showed me with this site and he chose one of my nicknames. It was either that or Kung Fu Killer.
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:35:23 EDT (#)
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First, I certainly agree that we consume more than we produce. But is the solution to this addressing illegal immigration, which - at worst - puts a small drain on the economy after you add the labor they contribute? Or, is the solution addressing the great concentration of wealth that exists and explains a far larger percentage of the overconsumption in the U.S.?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:29:37 (#)
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No, it's based solely on the fact that they didn't go through the proper channels, which is what you're doing right now. They don't pay taxes, they are here illegally, yet they use our public resources.
I think you're forgetting the fact that my country is about $9 TRILLION in the hole. No, we CAN'T support ourselves, unless you think supporting ourselves in buying on credit and getting paid less and less partly because of competition from illegal immigrants.
Any economist who tells you illegal immigrants are good for society want them here because it's cheap labor.
What it boils down to is, this country is pretty much bankrupt. The only thing sustaining it is foreign investment. We don't produce enough to compensate for what we consume.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:33:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:12:13 (#)
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"I am giving my honest opinion and being nice in the process. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think its the best way to communicate and make progress."
-Maybe but this guy's ego is big enough. Don't add to the problem. It's not helping him at all.
"But if this is just your way of validating the "badass[ness]" that you have so powerfully promised in your user name, please continue with the ingenious and scathing remarks."
-I'm not even the one who chose my user name, my dear. I had a friend choose it when he showed me with this site and he chose one of my nicknames. It was either that or Kung Fu Killer.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:31:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:03:18 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:41:18 (#)
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Why is it surprising to hear it from me?
I'm all for helping people, but if we're going to do that, we might as well make Mexico the 51st state.
We can't afford to even support ourselves right now, let alone all of Mexico too.
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holy shit and i thought what i said earlier was dumb. you are an imbecile.
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Ok, so what you're saying is we CAN afford to support Mexico.
Smart.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:29:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:56:43 (#)
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Whoah there, what's all this about immigrants?
"We can't afford to even support ourselves right now, let alone all of Mexico too."
The richest country in the world can't even support itself? Come ON dude.
We're all immigrants if you stretch the line back far enough. Denying opportunities to people based solely on where their parents fucked is pretty ridiculous.
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No, it's based solely on the fact that they didn't go through the proper channels, which is what you're doing right now. They don't pay taxes, they are here illegally, yet they use our public resources.
I think you're forgetting the fact that my country is about $9 TRILLION in the hole. No, we CAN'T support ourselves, unless you think supporting ourselves in buying on credit and getting paid less and less partly because of competition from illegal immigrants.
Any economist who tells you illegal immigrants are good for society want them here because it's cheap labor.
What it boils down to is, this country is pretty much bankrupt. The only thing sustaining it is foreign investment. We don't produce enough to compensate for what we consume.
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:21:54 EDT (#)
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Two last remarks to Ms. Badass...
#1 Ok, if you just mean my messages trying to explain that I like what he is doing are on the overly sensitive side, I agree. They do a little overdone in retrospect. However, since everyone else seems to be in full attack mode, I think they added effort isn't a bad thing.
#2 I'm not going to internet fight you. There are no winners in an internet fight. Only two losers.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:06:10 (#)
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Mono_blanco, please remove your lips from ETS' ass.
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:14:14 EDT (#)
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I actually think ETS has enough people to debate, without having an alter to add more, albeit more well-intentioned criticisms. But I suppose its possible.
PS Damn it, I meant "it's" in the last email. Stupid grammar.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:08:59 (#)
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julie, it probably IS ets. god knows he's almost as many alters as method.
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:12:13 EDT (#)
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I am giving my honest opinion and being nice in the process. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think its the best way to communicate and make progress. But if this is just your way of validating the "badass[ness]" that you have so powerfully promised in your user name, please continue with the ingenious and scathing remarks.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:06:10 (#)
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Mono_blanco, please remove your lips from ETS' ass.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:08:59 EDT (#)
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julie, it probably IS ets. god knows he's almost as many alters as method.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:06:10 EDT (#)
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Mono_blanco, please remove your lips from ETS' ass.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 19:03:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:41:18 (#)
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Why is it surprising to hear it from me?
I'm all for helping people, but if we're going to do that, we might as well make Mexico the 51st state.
We can't afford to even support ourselves right now, let alone all of Mexico too.
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holy shit and i thought what i said earlier was dumb. you are an imbecile.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:56:43 EDT (#)
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Whoah there, what's all this about immigrants?
"We can't afford to even support ourselves right now, let alone all of Mexico too."
The richest country in the world can't even support itself? Come ON dude.
We're all immigrants if you stretch the line back far enough. Denying opportunities to people based solely on where their parents fucked is pretty ridiculous.
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:55:38 EDT (#)
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PS ETS, please don't take my comments as disencouragement. Like I have said before, I think you mean well and have important ideas. I only offer constructive criticisms because I believe that you care enough to give them consideration. Although I always hope to come to consensus, whether we ever agree on these points is irrelevant to my appreciation for your commitment to taking steps towards change.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:49:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:41:18 (#)
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Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:33:38 (#)
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I know everyone is giving you a hard time, so I hate to add to it. But complaining about (the recent wave of) immigrants? I'm not going to list all the economic and moral reasons why this is problematic, I'm just surprised to hear it from you :(.
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Why is it surprising to hear it from me?
I'm all for helping people, but if we're going to do that, we might as well make Mexico the 51st state.
We can't afford to even support ourselves right now, let alone all of Mexico too.
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Why do you give to World Vision then?
Will you ever make any sense?
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:48:33 EDT (#)
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Here are my thoughts, off the top of my head. First, even if immigrants were an economic drain, my understanding is that we have more than enough wealth (simply concentrated in the hands of a few) to take care of all the poor in our country - undocumented or not (if not sufficient resources to take care of all the poor in the world). Second, my understanding is that it is misleading to say "taking care" at all: there is much debate as to whether immigrants are in fact an economic drain on our resources. Interestingly, those who suggest that undocumented immigrants contribute more than they take is supported by a number of economists on both the left and the right (even the Cato institute, for instance). Finally, I do think we have some unique obligations to Mexico in light of the history of land-taking, but I think this a far less important point and a more fairly debatable point - also I would be disingenuous to say I am any less in support of undocumented immigrants from other counties.
Some of our most profitable land and economies in the Southwest were taken from Mexico relatively recently
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:41:18 (#)
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Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:33:38 (#)
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I know everyone is giving you a hard time, so I hate to add to it. But complaining about (the recent wave of) immigrants? I'm not going to list all the economic and moral reasons why this is problematic, I'm just surprised to hear it from you :(.
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Why is it surprising to hear it from me?
I'm all for helping people, but if we're going to do that, we might as well make Mexico the 51st state.
We can't afford to even support ourselves right now, let alone all of Mexico too.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:41:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:33:38 (#)
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I know everyone is giving you a hard time, so I hate to add to it. But complaining about (the recent wave of) immigrants? I'm not going to list all the economic and moral reasons why this is problematic, I'm just surprised to hear it from you :(.
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Why is it surprising to hear it from me?
I'm all for helping people, but if we're going to do that, we might as well make Mexico the 51st state.
We can't afford to even support ourselves right now, let alone all of Mexico too.
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:33:38 EDT (#)
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I know everyone is giving you a hard time, so I hate to add to it. But complaining about (the recent wave of) immigrants? I'm not going to list all the economic and moral reasons why this is problematic, I'm just surprised to hear it from you :(.
Submitted by RonArtestPunch (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:28:44 EDT (#)
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you are such a pussy
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:23:37 EDT (#)
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AM I TAKING THE CRAZY PILLS???? IS THIS GUY SERIOUS?????
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:23:22 EDT (#)
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this is too fucking funny, I swear to god, this has gone beyond just arguing valid points to "Im moving to the woods with my tin foil hat and trusty swiss army knife, who wants to come with me?"
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:19:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:02:50 (#)
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If/when I get caught I'm gonna have my lawyer print out this page and read it to the media at a press conference.
That's the plan, at least.
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Do you seriously think you're important enough for them to hold a press conference regarding your case? Dude, you probably wouldn't even be in the obituaries in your local paper if you died let alone be in the news accross the US for something like this. You don't matter, you're no one to the rest of the world. No one would care except for your family maybe. Oh, and your internet girlfriend.
You're all about the truth aren't you? Well, sorry if that sounds mean but it's the truth.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:15:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:02:50 (#)
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If/when I get caught I'm gonna have my lawyer print out this page and read it to the media at a press conference.
That's the plan, at least.
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PAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Stop the madness! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 18:02:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:26:26 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:17:55 (#)
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when he gets caught now he is just going to cry for leniency and pretend he forgot. there will be no grand speeches, no proclimations, no explination of his noble reasons for not paying just begging for forgivness.
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I really hope someone from the IRS reads this site because then he can't say he forgot. Do you think he'll cry when he gets caught? I'd love to see that.
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If/when I get caught I'm gonna have my lawyer print out this page and read it to the media at a press conference.
That's the plan, at least.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:53:47 EDT (#)
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there you go, l'hermitte: http://www.ubersite.com/m/86468
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:53:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:31:02 (#)
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julie,
are you mad that i called you VAPID HOSE BEAST that time. you had said earlier you wanted to argue and so i tried. but you and your chill, so-cal personality just laughed. anyways, i dont know you but i dont think your a VAPID HOSE BEAST. just a hose beast..
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Awww, thanks retro. Yep, my feelings were hurt even though I laughed it off. I was just trying to play it cool but I cried myself to sleep that night. I became an alcoholic and a cocaine addict shortly after and ended up crashing my car into and uprooting four big palm trees in a drunken rage. I was sent to rehab for a while and now I have to attend AA and NA meetings regularly. I can never drive again but I feel much better about the whole thing now that you've cleared it up.
Grilled fish tacos are the greatest invention ever! Just thought I'd share that with you.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:31:02 EDT (#)
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julie,
are you mad that i called you VAPID HOSE BEAST that time. you had said earlier you wanted to argue and so i tried. but you and your chill, so-cal personality just laughed. anyways, i dont know you but i dont think your a VAPID HOSE BEAST. just a hose beast..
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:26:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:17:55 (#)
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when he gets caught now he is just going to cry for leniency and pretend he forgot. there will be no grand speeches, no proclimations, no explination of his noble reasons for not paying just begging for forgivness.
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I really hope someone from the IRS reads this site because then he can't say he forgot. Do you think he'll cry when he gets caught? I'd love to see that.
Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:21:03 EDT (#)
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Denying an organization as big as the government their money is generally a terrible decision.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:17:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:51:15 (#)
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he'll get caught. i see people that have owed taxes from 1972 get their federal payments garnished all the time. just because they aren't beating your down doesn't mean they forget.
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he knows that.
that is why he isn't filing, if he does and refuses to pay that would be defiance, and could get him jail.
when he gets caught now he is just going to cry for leniency and pretend he forgot. there will be no grand speeches, no proclimations, no explination of his noble reasons for not paying just begging for forgivness.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:17:30 EDT (#)
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For a long time I thought you were just taking the piss, look at the filename on my 11/9 post, I was expecting some sort of april fools thing from you, and when that passed something when you
made MVA.
But you're just stupid.
Really really really fucking stupid.
Is there anybody you would pay attention to if they tried talking some sense into you?
Live in the woods. Shit even I wouldn't be confident about surviving truly off the grid for a couple of years, how long you last would depend entirely on how long your city bought supplies lasted.
But it wont cos its not gonna happen.
Cos you never actually DO anything.
Name me one thing you've done Brad. Not something you didn't do, or something you wrote or something you planned to do or thought about.
Name me one single thing you have done to stand up for your beliefs.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:16:55 EDT (#)
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haha I was actually thinking about that in the mall yesterday.
"Should I be looking over my shoulder? ETS might be trying to kill me."
And then I remembered that he weighs all of 70 pounds, and he doesn't have enough money to eat, let alone come to NY, and I would ruin his shit even if he was armed.
Then I started laughing that I even considered it.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:14:49 EDT (#)
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imagine you walked out of your apartment one day and a crazed ETS was standing there?
"hello. method."
and then you slap him silly?
that would be great!
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:13:56 EDT (#)
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who else tried method? thats just crazy
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:12:52 EDT (#)
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I see you tried to find out my personal information (name, address, phone number, etc.) by doing a Whois search for the registration info of my website, huh, you fucking creepy bastard
You're not the only one who tried, though.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:11:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:52:20 (#)
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I'm not filing.
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In that case, everything I said still applies. Do you refuse to respond because you know I'm right and there's nothing you can say? Typical ETS.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:11:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:52:20 (#)
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I'm not filing.
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Because you are full of shit.
Because this isn't an act of defiance, it is just you being lazy.
You write a big game about standing up to the govt, but you don't even have the balls to file and try to get your money back and explain to uncle sam why you aren't paying.
just like you didn't have the balls to join the peace corps.
just like you don't have the balls to live out in the woods on your own.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:03:59 EDT (#)
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plywood shanties(sp) have doors, dont they?
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-10 17:02:01 EDT (#)
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I heard Ted Kazyinski's place is for sale.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:56:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:51:15 (#)
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he'll get caught. i see people that have owed taxes from 1972 get their federal payments garnished all the time. just because they aren't beating your down doesn't mean they forget.
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But he'll be in the woods! hahahahhaha...I have nothing witty to say...this guy is too much of a joke to make a joke out of him.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:52:41 EDT (#)
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*door* down. beating your door down.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:52:20 EDT (#)
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I'm not filing.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:51:15 EDT (#)
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he'll get caught. i see people that have owed taxes from 1972 get their federal payments garnished all the time. just because they aren't beating your down doesn't mean they forget.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:42:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:29:40 (#)
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Julie, I'm not even going to dignify anything you just said with a response as you obviously didn't read the fucking post.
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No, I read it. The only part I'm not clear on is are you actually refusing to file or are you filing but not paying? I'm assuming you're just going to skip filing because why file and not pay? That's just asking for trouble. At least if you don't file, you may not get caught.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:42:47 EDT (#)
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who's dependent of ETS?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:40:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:38:15 (#)
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Indo:
I said "dependents, my write offs, etc."
Next time, read what you're responding to.
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I read it. You don't have to lie.
Fill out the form and say you want a tax credit because you don't agree with how the Govt spends its money. They probably won't give it back to you, but at least it will be defiance, not just doing nothing.
In future years you can claim you want none taken out because you will pay it all at the end, or because you are going to prepay (which isn't lieing if you plan on paying none).
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:38:15 EDT (#)
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Indo:
I said "dependents, my write offs, etc."
Next time, read what you're responding to.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:34:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:29:40 (#)
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Julie, I'm not even going to dignify anything you just said with a response as you obviously didn't read the fucking post.
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classic ets response. how's the ramen?
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:33:40 EDT (#)
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wait a minute! i work for the govt. do i have to tell on him?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:33:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:29:40 (#)
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Julie, I'm not even going to dignify anything you just said with a response as you obviously didn't read the fucking post.
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You know what's funny, every time ETS says that, I'm reminded of Jewtoast, he used to say the SAME exact thing all the time, "Im not going to diginify that with a response", and then responded anyway, just as ETS does. And he was a snobby rich Jew lawyer alter.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:29:53 EDT (#)
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haha that guy on the Howard Stern show, Crazy Cabbie, was bragging live on the radio that he didn't pay his taxes.
Guess where he is now? Federal pound-me-in-the-ass pridon.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:29:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:10:47 (#)
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If illegal immigrants can come into this country and not pay taxes on the wages they make (and send back to Mexico) and the INS does nothing about them, all the while I'm sitting here on my hands waiting patiently while the paperwork comes through so someone I love can immigrate here LEGALLY, paying taxes so that illegal immigrants can have medicare and other social benefits...even STUDENT AID...then fuck 'em.
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So is FA going to live in the woods with you, or is she going to be stuck in some town working two jobs to pay off your tax debts?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:29:40 EDT (#)
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Julie, I'm not even going to dignify anything you just said with a response as you obviously didn't read the fucking post.
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:27:57 EDT (#)
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ETS you are so goddamn stupid it's unbelievable. Yeah, you're really "sticking it to the man" with this one aren't you? What, are you saving $100 or so by not filing your taxes? You could even do it yourself for free if you're not lazy. I'm assuming you're not working under the table and you're paying taxes whether you file or not. Since you're so into saving the world, I'm assuming you've got a lot of deductions for charitable donations and all that, unless of course you're all talk and don't back it up with your actions and/or money. After all words speak louder than actions, right ETS? Anyway, if you go about it correctly, you may get some money back.
Ok now lets weigh your options:
-"Sticking it to the man" by not filing
-Saving $100 or nothing at all
-Still paying taxes whether you file or not
-Penalty fees that cost you a hell of a lot more than filing and paying your taxes would
-Possible jail time(up to five years for refusing to file)
-A felony on your record(refusing to file is a felony my dear)
-Having the IRS up your ass for a loooong time after
VS.
-Filing your taxes like everyone else for free or a small fee
-Possibly getting money back instead of letting the government you hate so much keep it
-No penalties
I think the best choice is obvious. Don't file your taxes! Dumbass. By the way, if you really aren't going to file your taxes, do you honestly think it's a good idea to announce it to the whole world over the internet? Did you ever consider the fact that some IRS and other government employees may read this site and are obligated to report this or look into it? Did you consider the fact that there are a lot of people here who don't like you who know your full name and the state you live in and would love to report you to the IRS? Just something to think about.
Someone's probably mentioned all this already but I'm not reading all those reviews to find out.
Submitted by retrospect (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:23:39 EDT (#)
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dont pay uncle sam all you want. its not like you and your 2 friends who may or may not play along are going to make a difference. and if you haven't died by the time you are 62 and since you were too stupid to save/invest any money and you need your social security retirement, the govt will garnish your piddly little retirement checks. enjoy!
god forbid you have children and they depend on you and you cant provide for them through your social security because of your awesomely rebellious (read: stupid) decision to stiff the govt when you were an idealistic young man.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:21:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:14:48 (#)
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This is the last time I'm answering you Indoninja. If you can't accept this answer then I'm sorry, I have nothing more for you.
I wasn't thinking when you said 1040. Now I know what you're talking about.
But like I said, I'm not going to LIE. In order to get my money back, I would have to LIE about my dependents, my write offs, etc. In other words, what you're talking about is subversively lying to cheat the system. I'm not doing that. Instead I choose to OPENLY DEFY THE SYSTEM ON MORAL PRINCIPLE.
It's really that simple.
I'm done with this particular question.
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How many times do I have to say this, you don't have to lie.
Fill out the form and ask for all of your tax money back because you don't like how the govt is spending it. The IRS is filled with lazy idiots, sometimes they give the money back.
That would be an act of defiance. What you are doing now is NOTHING.
In the future it wouldn't be a lie to change your tax paperwork so they don't take any out week to week, dependents isn't the only way to pay less taxes. If you spent half as much time learning about tax as you did writing this post you would know that.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:20:14 EDT (#)
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hahaha hey caul check this guy out for some more entertainment
http://www.ubersite.com/m/86435
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:17:28 EDT (#)
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Jesus, this is too much!
I can't take it anymore. Living in the woods, indeed.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:16:21 EDT (#)
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LOL!
This guy is too much!
I'm in tears here.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:15:32 EDT (#)
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good thing you left that bit out about the immigration, ets. clearly you have no grasp on the situation at all. i thought you were for the good of all humanity? you know, that whole we are ONE and the same? nice one, ball licker.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:14:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:06:44 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:02:11 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:49:30 (#)
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You can't see how full of shit you are? You don't see a problem with someone who will write a post about not paying taxes then spend all day defending it, but won't put forth the tiniest effort to get the tax they paid back?
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I can't do more right now. I wish I could, but I can't. I'm not going to get into explaining why with you because it's none of your business.
I share a lot of my personal life with you people, but there is a limit, and this is it. Take it or leave it, I don't care. Either way, you're gonna have to deal with it.
Besides, filing for what you're suggesting would undoubtedly be a lost cause. I'm not hoping to get arrested, but I am prepared to be. There is a difference.
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You can't fill out a 1040 and ask for a full refund on your federal taxes?
Bullshit.
If you are going to break the law by not paying what you owe, if you think paying them money is wrong, why not ask for the rest back?
Because you would have to lift a finger, and we all know that is too much work for you.
Good luck with living out in the woods when filling out the smallest tax form in the world is too much work for you. You won't be in the wilderness for more than 48 hours.
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This is the last time I'm answering you Indoninja. If you can't accept this answer then I'm sorry, I have nothing more for you.
I wasn't thinking when you said 1040. Now I know what you're talking about.
But like I said, I'm not going to LIE. In order to get my money back, I would have to LIE about my dependents, my write offs, etc. In other words, what you're talking about is subversively lying to cheat the system. I'm not doing that. Instead I choose to OPENLY DEFY THE SYSTEM ON MORAL PRINCIPLE.
It's really that simple.
I'm done with this particular question.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:12:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:10:47 (#)
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My government is the biggest fucking joke on the planet.
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Perhaps, but it is only second to you...wildboy! hahah
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:10:47 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:01:46 (#)
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Why haven't you written a post about the 100's of thousands of people protesting our immigration laws? They're marching around demanding amnesty, and promoting criminal behavior, while at the same time calling anyone who apposes them racist.
If there's a good reason to stop paying taxes, it would be to show the gov't we want them to inforce our preexisting laws of sovereignity.
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That is actually one of my peripheral reasons. Glad you brought it up.
I had written a whole paragraph about just that when composing this post. I took it out because it distracted from the focus of it, which I felt should be about the over-appropriations to the 'defense' budget, and how our country is misusing its 'defense' for offense.
If illegal immigrants can come into this country and not pay taxes on the wages they make (and send back to Mexico) and the INS does nothing about them, all the while I'm sitting here on my hands waiting patiently while the paperwork comes through so someone I love can immigrate here LEGALLY, paying taxes so that illegal immigrants can have medicare and other social benefits...even STUDENT AID...then fuck 'em.
My government is the biggest fucking joke on the planet.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:06:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:02:11 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:49:30 (#)
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You can't see how full of shit you are? You don't see a problem with someone who will write a post about not paying taxes then spend all day defending it, but won't put forth the tiniest effort to get the tax they paid back?
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I can't do more right now. I wish I could, but I can't. I'm not going to get into explaining why with you because it's none of your business.
I share a lot of my personal life with you people, but there is a limit, and this is it. Take it or leave it, I don't care. Either way, you're gonna have to deal with it.
Besides, filing for what you're suggesting would undoubtedly be a lost cause. I'm not hoping to get arrested, but I am prepared to be. There is a difference.
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You can't fill out a 1040 and ask for a full refund on your federal taxes?
Bullshit.
If you are going to break the law by not paying what you owe, if you think paying them money is wrong, why not ask for the rest back?
Because you would have to lift a finger, and we all know that is too much work for you.
Good luck with living out in the woods when filling out the smallest tax form in the world is too much work for you. You won't be in the wilderness for more than 48 hours.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:06:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:53:07 (#)
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I don't need this grid to survive. Next year, I plan on proving that to myself by moving to the woods for a year or two. If they want to persue me, they can come find me there. If they want to garner my wages, there won't be a paycheck anymore to garner. Such is my determination.
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hahahaha... your ignorance of what it means to live in the wild is hilarious. i'd give you about three, maybe four days before you realized how much it sucked not having a computer with an internet connection.
even walden was about a mile from town.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:06:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:58:51 (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:53:07 (#)
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The thing about the fines and penalties...as long as we still have a policy in this country of preemptive war against nations that have done nothing to us, I will refuse to pay those as well. If it comes down to it, I will quit my job and move to the fucking woods. Such is my determination to do what I feel is right.
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Hahaha!!!!!
Your determination is enough to go live in the woods, but you can't be bothered to fill out a 1040 and ask for money back?
How can you even eat when you are so filled with shit?
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EXACTLY!!!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:05:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:57:09 (#)
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think Richard Preonneke
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I think there's a SLIGHT difference here.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:02:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:49:30 (#)
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You can't see how full of shit you are? You don't see a problem with someone who will write a post about not paying taxes then spend all day defending it, but won't put forth the tiniest effort to get the tax they paid back?
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I can't do more right now. I wish I could, but I can't. I'm not going to get into explaining why with you because it's none of your business.
I share a lot of my personal life with you people, but there is a limit, and this is it. Take it or leave it, I don't care. Either way, you're gonna have to deal with it.
Besides, filing for what you're suggesting would undoubtedly be a lost cause. I'm not hoping to get arrested, but I am prepared to be. There is a difference.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:01:46 EDT (#)
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Why haven't you written a post about the 100's of thousands of people protesting our immigration laws? They're marching around demanding amnesty, and promoting criminal behavior, while at the same time calling anyone who apposes them racist.
If there's a good reason to stop paying taxes, it would be to show the gov't we want them to inforce our preexisting laws of sovereignity.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-10 16:00:56 EDT (#)
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just cuz you went camping one summer doesn't mean you're ready to live off the land. at least take a boss course. on second thought. have fun, wet matches work best to start fires.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:58:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:53:07 (#)
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The thing about the fines and penalties...as long as we still have a policy in this country of preemptive war against nations that have done nothing to us, I will refuse to pay those as well. If it comes down to it, I will quit my job and move to the fucking woods. Such is my determination to do what I feel is right.
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Hahaha!!!!!
Your determination is enough to go live in the woods, but you can't be bothered to fill out a 1040 and ask for money back?
How can you even eat when you are so filled with shit?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:57:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:45:15 (#)
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You shameless piece of shit.
Crafting provocative titles for inflammatory posts that you know will rake in the hits as people bicker and push you onto the MVA.
I have NEVER sunk to such depths, sir, and I resent your shabby attempts at following in my footsteps to
I mean, not that I
Oh fuck it.
At least you never posted porn to get there. We are a select few, buddy-boy.
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Jack, I think you underestimate my seriousness here.
This isn't about hits or MVA. Hell, dude, at this point I don't NEED a provacative title, subject, or even a NEW POST for it to turn into a shitfest of bickering and hits. (This is evidenced clearly by my last post.)
This isn't about ubersite, this is about humanity and right and wrong.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:57:09 EDT (#)
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think Richard Preonneke
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:55:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:04:59 (#)
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Here's the thing, and I am dead serious here... Would anyone be interested in doing a real life experiment?
I have some land that I could go live on right now.... Prime Kentucky woodlands with a creek, plenty of woods, fields that could be sown, etc. If anyone might be interested in seriously attempting to drop off the grid for a year, just to see if you're capable as a human being, you're welcome to come along. """
These woodlands is either public or private. Either way, you'd need permits for just about anything you'd do there. You just can't hit the woods and claim it yours. I can't even do that in the wasteland that is north Canada, so I doubt it is feasible in Kentucky. In what kind of fantasy world do you live in? Unless you camouflage your little hermitage, it's just about impossible.
I seriously might be doing this for real very soon."""
Sure you are. Didn't you say you'd join the Peace Corp like real soon or something? If you want to do it, do it...but don't say "I might seriously consider to eventually start maybe thinking about it"...pussy.
We'll have to build shelter, learn about the local edibles, invent ways of catching fish, fowl, squirrels, etc."""
I catched squirrels (<- nice cliché...that's like eating mice, idiot) and partridges when I was fucking six. We grew pretty much the majority of our vedgetables on our shitty Canadian land, to which I participated to. I worked and pretty much lived in the forest during all my youth. Yet I'm pretty sure I would have a hard time surviving in the wild without ANY product of civilization.
You sound like every city pussy who came to my college and thought that living in the wild would be cool. That until they quickly realized that reality was much different and remained into their warm apartments to smoke pot and bullshit each others.
Besides, you are suicidal in the most comfortable society I can think of. You wouldn't last ten fucking seconds in there. "OMFG, I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE! I MUST WRITE DARK POETRY ON MYSPACE AND TEXT MESSAGE ANOTHER FAKE SUICIDE NOTE TO MY BRITISH GIRLFRIEND!"
p.s. you are a great source of entertainment.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:55:31 EDT (#)
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Lick my sac, nutball johnnie.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:53:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:35:07 (#)
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truthfully this is the biggest non-issue post I've seen people flock to in a long time.
ETS please forget any delusions that they might 'come and get you', your pay is not nearly enough for them to be concerned with.
People often skip filing taxes this year without consquence, sooner or later when there is someone in office that you can agree with and you decide to file again it will all catch up...along with some decent fines and penalties.
And you can choose to not pay then, and they will just garner your wages and put your name on the 'future audit' list.
In the end this will be likely one of the biggest non-happenings to ever...happen?
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Dude, I know perfectly well they're not gonna come get me. Or at least they shouldn't considering they've got much bigger fish to fry...or SHOULD have much bigger fish to fry. Who knows. They could surprise me. One can only hope.
The thing about the fines and penalties...as long as we still have a policy in this country of preemptive war against nations that have done nothing to us, I will refuse to pay those as well. If it comes down to it, I will quit my job and move to the fucking woods. Such is my determination to do what I feel is right.
I don't need this grid to survive. Next year, I plan on proving that to myself by moving to the woods for a year or two. If they want to persue me, they can come find me there. If they want to garner my wages, there won't be a paycheck anymore to garner. Such is my determination.
If they want to come to the woods to pluck me up and throw me in prison where they'll have to pay for my meals and room, cool! Free air-conditioning!
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:51:25 EDT (#)
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ok so wait how do i get all the tax i've paid in the last 8 years back. i'd really appreciate that link indo. shit i'm broke enough, i'll do it.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:50:42 EDT (#)
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yeah, I know a few people who skip years on their taxes, hell the guy I rent a room from hasn't filed in 5...um that's not a suggestion...and he's yet to be contacted.
but when he does...even then it won't really be a jail time type of thing...it'll be fines and payment plans and hassle.
in the end they want your money and they won't get it from you in prison but like surcharges and what not they will get it in the end.
so as much as I agree with your plight (read: I'm paying 9k to taxes this year) I don't see how it will help you or how it will make enough of a stink to matter.
now were you to get enough people to do this to cover the estimated 9billion over tax amount for the year then...maybe you'll get some notice. but by then the action would be taken over by conglomerats and media and will be the 'in' thing to do and your cool little rebellion will lose all of its true meaning.
sounds like a movie, you should call Lilly Tomlin...she was great in 9 to 5
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:49:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:39:56 (#)
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I didn't know you could do that. Maybe next year I will. We'll see where things stand. Right now, I'm starting with this baby step.
I think it's interesting how even when I do something that could potentially land me in a federal prison, you still ridicule it as not enough.
I decide what I do and don't do. If you think I should do more, I suggest you do it yourself.
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Next year? Why next year?
You are unbelievable. You write a huge fucking post justifying, sorry actually applauding your non-paying of federal tax and act like it is some noble protest that took time and effort, when in reality it is the easist fucking thing in the world.
I explain to you that you can go on-line and file for the rest of your money back, but you are too fucking lazy to do that. Nevermind that the booklets that explain how to do it are free, and I am sur eyou could swing the 37 cent stamp to mail in your 1040.
If you believed the bullshit you spewed you would do more. I am not the one posting about how paying taxes is wrong even though I won't go throught the minimal effort it takes to try and get the tax you already paid back.
You can't see how full of shit you are? You don't see a problem with someone who will write a post about not paying taxes then spend all day defending it, but won't put forth the tiniest effort to get the tax they paid back?
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:45:15 EDT (#)
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You shameless piece of shit.
Crafting provocative titles for inflammatory posts that you know will rake in the hits as people bicker and push you onto the MVA.
I have NEVER sunk to such depths, sir, and I resent your shabby attempts at following in my footsteps to
I mean, not that I
Oh fuck it.
At least you never posted porn to get there. We are a select few, buddy-boy.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:42:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:50:14 (#)
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"when we make up the military budget and pay the citizen's taxes towards it, it goes back -- get ready for this -- TO THE CITIZENS!! who do you think builds the fighter jets? it's not like dubya just calls up god from the oval office and says "hey there, need another plane for the air force guys. thanks." no, the military has contracts with various businesses, who employ people that build the plane, that get paid, that then buy shit, which stimulates the economy, and then they pay taxes. it's really quite circular, and somehow it manages to work."
Wardy that really is quite stupid.
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yeah, not my best work. my brain was fried from having to write three papers for today, sorry. what i was trying to get at is that by not paying his taxes, he's really just hurting his fellow citizens and not making any sort of statement. sort of like how shoplifting raises prices and that whole business.
does that make more sense? sorry for sounding like a retard...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:39:56 EDT (#)
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I didn't know you could do that. Maybe next year I will. We'll see where things stand. Right now, I'm starting with this baby step.
I think it's interesting how even when I do something that could potentially land me in a federal prison, you still ridicule it as not enough.
I decide what I do and don't do. If you think I should do more, I suggest you do it yourself.
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:35:07 EDT (#)
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truthfully this is the biggest non-issue post I've seen people flock to in a long time.
ETS please forget any delusions that they might 'come and get you', your pay is not nearly enough for them to be concerned with.
People often skip filing taxes this year without consquence, sooner or later when there is someone in office that you can agree with and you decide to file again it will all catch up...along with some decent fines and penalties.
And you can choose to not pay then, and they will just garner your wages and put your name on the 'future audit' list.
In the end this will be likely one of the biggest non-happenings to ever...happen?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:32:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:21:49 (#)
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This isn't about cheating the government, it's about openly defying the government by giving a small portion of my tax dollars to charity.
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I will go ahead and ask again. Are you going to file? Openly defying, to a sane person, would not be trying to cover it up by not filing.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:25:53 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:21:49 (#)
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Again, I'm not gonna lie.
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You don't have to lie.
If you believed in the govt not having your money you would file a claim and ask for all your federal tax money back, but that would take a tiny bit of your prescious time, and we all know that you only talk about shit you should do but never DO shit.
Fuck you can even do it online, it takes less than 5 minutes, but you can't be assed out to do it can you?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:21:49 EDT (#)
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Again, I'm not gonna lie.
This isn't about cheating the government, it's about openly defying the government by giving a small portion of my tax dollars to charity.
I know this is illegal, and I'm doing it anyway.
If they come to arrest me, they won't have a fight on their hands, I'll go willingly. But they're gonna have to deal with the repercussions of arresting a man who gives his tax money to charity on purely moral grounds. If they want to make a national debate of it, then so be it. I'll be ready when they decide.
I'm not a criminal. I have done some stupid things in my time. I've gotten some traffic tickets and the like. I was once arrested for hindering apprehension (which was a false charge by the way). But I've never hurt anyone. I don't have what one would call a rap sheet.
I work a steady job. It's decent pay, but not good pay. I drive the same shitty Toyota Tercel with the dents in the fenders I did 7 years ago. I pretty much live from month to month. I don't go out much, I try not to spend frivilously. I am able to save a little here and there, and when I do it usually disappears at some point due to some unexpected emergency and the like.
I don't have much, but what I do have I've gotten honestly. I take some measure of pride in that.
You can think of this like a Robin Hood type thing...except I'm not stealing from the rich and giving to the poor, I'm choosing not to give to the INCOMPETANT LEGISLATOR and am giving to the truly needy instead.
I hope more people join me in this defiance. If not, I'm quite content to stand alone on it in the knowledge that I am right.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 15:02:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 14:43:47 (#)
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I can't change what my employer takes out of my check in taxes. I already claim myself as a dependent. I'm not going to lie about my dependents, I'm not going to keep the money I save by not filing a return. I already said, that money is going to charity.
It my personal act of defiance, which I am doing in the interest of doing the right thing, nothing more.
Call me stupid if you want. I don't care.
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I am not calling you stupid (well at least not here) I think Method is right. You are just lazy. If you really wanted to stick it to the govt you wouldn't just not pay, you wouldn't have paid in the first place, you could file to try and get your money back. You are taking the path of least resistance in your "act of defiance".
It would be a much more respectable act if you actually DID something.
Submitted by leilani (user info) at 2006-04-10 14:59:04 EDT (#)
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did you know you are on mva now?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 14:43:47 EDT (#)
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I can't change what my employer takes out of my check in taxes. I already claim myself as a dependent. I'm not going to lie about my dependents, I'm not going to keep the money I save by not filing a return. I already said, that money is going to charity.
It my personal act of defiance, which I am doing in the interest of doing the right thing, nothing more.
Call me stupid if you want. I don't care.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 14:08:58 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:52:14 (#)
Ranking: 2
You are the enemy of rational thought.
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That's a nice way to sum it up!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 14:06:48 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:39:28 (#)
Ranking: 0
Yes, I'm a guy that wants to move to the woods and who believes there's more to success than material possessions or money, therefore I'm preoccupied with unlimited power and success.
I am always going on about how special I am and how we're all NOT one and the same NOR do we share in the outcome of humanity. Only some of us 'exclusive people' will.
I take advantage of EVERYONE! I manipulate and double-talk and lie and cheat and steal just so I can climb the ladder of success.
I lack the ability to empathize with people who are not like me. That's why I call, daily, for the death of Muslims.
I envy you people so much for what you have. You possess all the nice things I will one day own through my excessive use of power.
I relish in my own arrogance. It keeps me warm at night. That's why I constantly post pictures of myself, a-la Hidden101, and post stories of my many sexual conquests with varied hot women, a-la 1.21Gigawatts.
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That's YOUR [mis]interpretation:
- is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
> You see yourself as our shepperd. You think you are a revolutionary leader.
- believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by other special people
> You do think that you're special. You said that you are a crazy genius. You think you are a lone wolf crusading against the system. You think that you're the only one seeing the wrongs of this world because you're so fucking special. N'est-ce pas, Kurt?
- requires excessive admiration
> You have repeatedly shown your preference for praise. You are not happy when there is debate, you're happy when you're told that you're brilliant.
- strong sense of entitlement
> How many times have you retaliate on people's posts because you think you deserve nothing else than a +2?
- takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
> I can't tell about this one, but I'd be willing to bet. That's usually how losers who blame the world for their shortenings act.
- lacks empathy
> If you had any form of empathy, you wouldn't say that you suffer when as indoninja pointed out already: you live in the richest country in the world, you are white, male, healthy and single. You're a self-absorbed little douchebag.
- is often envious or believes others are envious of him or her
> I seem to remember you saying that we are jealous of your relationship with FilthyAssistant even though it's one of the most pathetic thing I ever heard of. That's only one example.
- arrogant affect """
> How many times have you told people that you are above them? How many times have you ignored arguments? How many times have you selected small parts of people arguments, misinterpret them and proceeded to call them stupid? How many...the list is fucking endless. You're arrogant attitude is pretty much what you get slammed over and over and over...
p.s. I love how you ignored my argument that you managed to pay tax with a shitty salary and yet, sermonize people on economics.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:55:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I really have to say, a much better idea would be to move to a different country.
Give me one good reason why what you're doing is a better idea than emmigrating to sweden or holland, hell even Britain, though I'd prefer if you didn't.
Actually give me, like, 20 good reasons
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:52:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You are the enemy of rational thought.
EDIT: I totally gave you the wrong rating.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:52:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
You are the enemy of rational thought.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:50:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"when we make up the military budget and pay the citizen's taxes towards it, it goes back -- get ready for this -- TO THE CITIZENS!! who do you think builds the fighter jets? it's not like dubya just calls up god from the oval office and says "hey there, need another plane for the air force guys. thanks." no, the military has contracts with various businesses, who employ people that build the plane, that get paid, that then buy shit, which stimulates the economy, and then they pay taxes. it's really quite circular, and somehow it manages to work."
Wardy that really is quite stupid.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:39:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:18:14 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:56:04 (#)
Ranking: -2
Are you going to respond to what I said, Bradley, or are you going to ignore it like everything else that you can't think of a good answer for? Caulaincourt was right, you're incredibly selective with your arguments.
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It took you all that time to notice that?
That guy doesn't want a debate, he's an egomaniac...he wants praise. Don't you remember his reaction when you told him he was intelligent? "Wow Method...you couldn't have said something better to me...finally someone who recognizes my superiority!!! "
He needs to feel above people so he's only gonna answer those he can belittle.
And now a small excerpt of an article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
""At least five of the following are necessary for a diagnosis to be made:
- is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
- believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by other special people
- requires excessive admiration
- strong sense of entitlement
- takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
- lacks empathy
- is often envious or believes others are envious of him or her
- arrogant affect """
WE GOT OURSELVES A WINNER!
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Yes, I'm a guy that wants to move to the woods and who believes there's more to success than material possessions or money, therefore I'm preoccupied with unlimited power and success.
I am always going on about how special I am and how we're all NOT one and the same NOR do we share in the outcome of humanity. Only some of us 'exclusive people' will.
I take advantage of EVERYONE! I manipulate and double-talk and lie and cheat and steal just so I can climb the ladder of success.
I lack the ability to empathize with people who are not like me. That's why I call, daily, for the death of Muslims.
I envy you people so much for what you have. You possess all the nice things I will one day own through my excessive use of power.
I relish in my own arrogance. It keeps me warm at night. That's why I constantly post pictures of myself, a-la Hidden101, and post stories of my many sexual conquests with varied hot women, a-la 1.21Gigawatts.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:18:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"A man is not a man unless his words are reflected in his actions."
volunteered for anything yet?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 13:01:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
i forgot = (
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:51:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:18:44 (#)
Ranking: 0
you KNOW you weren't going to respond. You never have before when people question your moral fibre or character, which to me is more important than what you're arguing about.
You just like to argue about facts on issues that people throw out to you. I've repeated the same thing a million times and you always ignore it. And you expect me NOT to be an asshole to you?
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So what's your question? I'll answer you, although I think the post speaks for itself.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:43:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:32:46 (#)
Ranking: -2
What he is too stupid to realize is that the fed takes money out of his paycheck every week. If he really wanted to stick it to the man he would have claimed 4 or five dependents all year so they would have take much less out and at the end of the year he would be making much more of a difference than not paying 178 dollars.
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And I agree with that. He's the kind of moron who thinks that he's fighting the system when he's really just wasting his time. Like protesters who think that getting arrested is helping anything.
Hey ETS, here are questions intelligent people ask themselves before they start a "fight":
- Is this fight a priority?
- Do I have the time and energy for it?
- Can I win?
If you do that exercise before you post, you will notice a rapid decrease of your shit posts on Uber and perhaps, an increase of productivity at work.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:36:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:32:46 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:24:47 (#)
Ranking: -2
So ETS, you who his omniscient of all that is economics, you who was giving us lessons on investments and such, how come are you paying taxes?
Not bright enough to get yourself tax shelters (which can be done by any fucking moron)???
You remind me more and more of my roomate. You talk big and talk loud because your existence is meaningless and completly devoid of action.
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He is going to coma back and say that it would be wrong to lie and cheat the system, especially since he wants to pay his state taxes.
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Who said anything about lying or cheating? There's plenty of deductions you can get legally. CHARITY FOR ONE!
What a fucking idiot.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:32:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:24:47 (#)
Ranking: -2
So ETS, you who his omniscient of all that is economics, you who was giving us lessons on investments and such, how come are you paying taxes?
Not bright enough to get yourself tax shelters (which can be done by any fucking moron)???
You remind me more and more of my roomate. You talk big and talk loud because your existence is meaningless and completly devoid of action.
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He is going to coma back and say that it would be wrong to lie and cheat the system, especially since he wants to pay his state taxes.
What he is too stupid to realize is that the fed takes money out of his paycheck every week. If he really wanted to stick it to the man he would have claimed 4 or five dependents all year so they would have take much less out and at the end of the year he would be making much more of a difference than not paying 178 dollars.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:24:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
So ETS, you who his omniscient of all that is economics, you who was giving us lessons on investments and such, how come are you paying taxes?
Not bright enough to get yourself tax shelters (which can be done by any fucking moron)???
You remind me more and more of my roomate. You talk big and talk loud because your existence is meaningless and completly devoid of action.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:18:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
you KNOW you weren't going to respond. You never have before when people question your moral fibre or character, which to me is more important than what you're arguing about.
You just like to argue about facts on issues that people throw out to you. I've repeated the same thing a million times and you always ignore it. And you expect me NOT to be an asshole to you?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:18:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:56:04 (#)
Ranking: -2
Are you going to respond to what I said, Bradley, or are you going to ignore it like everything else that you can't think of a good answer for? Caulaincourt was right, you're incredibly selective with your arguments.
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It took you all that time to notice that?
That guy doesn't want a debate, he's an egomaniac...he wants praise. Don't you remember his reaction when you told him he was intelligent? "Wow Method...you couldn't have said something better to me...finally someone who recognizes my superiority!!! "
He needs to feel above people so he's only gonna answer those he can belittle.
And now a small excerpt of an article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
""At least five of the following are necessary for a diagnosis to be made:
- is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
- believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by other special people
- requires excessive admiration
- strong sense of entitlement
- takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
- lacks empathy
- is often envious or believes others are envious of him or her
- arrogant affect """
WE GOT OURSELVES A WINNER!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:14:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:56:04 (#)
Ranking: -2
Are you going to respond to what I said, Bradley, or are you going to ignore it like everything else that you can't think of a good answer for? Caulaincourt was right, you're incredibly selective with your arguments. Then you expect people to respect you? Fuck off. Seriously.
You're not going to dignify what Wardy said with a response? It's beneath you? Who the holy fuck do you think you are? Get the fuck off of your self absorbed pedestal, because you look like a total asshole.
And now, NOW, you miserable motherfucker, if you EVER threaten my life again, I will personally come to Evansville, Indiana and fuck you up. That's my word. If you can't even dignify what I said with a response, even though it was civil and not nasty in the least, then you can go fuck yourself, you arrogant cocksucking piece of shit
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Dude, you gotta give me a minute. There's no rhyme or reason to the order in which I respond to people. I don't read straight up or down the page all the time. I just sorta mosey along and respond as I see 'em.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 12:12:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:47:20 (#)
Ranking: 2
I just thought that maybe you should subscribe to the fitting default quote up on the uberboard:
"We must become the change we want to see in the world" - Gandhi
Do something instead of preaching about things. What you're doing here isn't action, it's apathy. I've said it before, and you seem to not want to understand, but talking about shit will get you nowhere. Do something about it.
THAT'S why I don't take you seriously. That's why I think you're a fucking idiot. The wise man doesn't think he's wise. He can only aspire. Running around and calling yourself a genius and telling other people they're idiots because they don't agree with you makes you one of the ugliest people around here, in mind and in spirit. How can you expect other people to respect your opinion if you refuse to respect theirs?
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Method, to me, this is doing something. What I've described here, if practiced by a couple million people, would shake the country to its knees.
I've pretty much resigned myself to the knowledge that nothing I ever do is going to rid the world of evil. Evil men will always exist. Tragedy will always exist. But, I'm not here to try to control the uncontrollable.
I try to just do what I can when I can. Right now, that includes, (but is not limited to), posting my feelings on this website. That's because I have a stringent belief in the power of ideas to change people over the course of years, decades, and centuries. It is through such expression that ALL real change occurs in the world. That's because such ideas are timeless. If an idea should transcend all boundaries and cultures between people and penetrate right to the heart of something, then that idea is one that contains lasting merit and the potential to bring change.
It's like the butterfly effect of the collective unconscious.
I AM only human. I get mad. I get pissy. I get aggrevated by childish arguments, especially in print. The internet is not an easy place to debate because words without presence lose half their meaning. You can't highlight sarcasm, anger, sorrow, wit, forcefulness the same as when you're just talking to somebody face to face.
But what you see is what you get. At least I am honest.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:57:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
Good luck getting your employer to stop witholding.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:56:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Are you going to respond to what I said, Bradley, or are you going to ignore it like everything else that you can't think of a good answer for? Caulaincourt was right, you're incredibly selective with your arguments. Then you expect people to respect you? Fuck off. Seriously.
You're not going to dignify what Wardy said with a response? It's beneath you? Who the holy fuck do you think you are? Get the fuck off of your self absorbed pedestal, because you look like a total asshole.
And now, NOW, you miserable motherfucker, if you EVER threaten my life again, I will personally come to Evansville, Indiana and fuck you up. That's my word. If you can't even dignify what I said with a response, even though it was civil and not nasty in the least, then you can go fuck yourself, you arrogant cocksucking piece of shit
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:48:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
btw- for someone who claims to know everything about economy, how come are you even paying taxes? i'm pretty sure there are tax shelters in the U.S. too...fucking retard.
You're so full of shit.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:48:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
"i'll try to explain this to you again: when we make up the military budget and pay the citizen's taxes towards it, it goes back -- get ready for this -- TO THE CITIZENS!!"
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Wardy, you are such an idiot. I'm not even going to dignify anything else you say with a response. It's just too far beneath me. If people can't look at the stupid shit you say and see you're a moron, then they are just as sad as you are.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:47:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
But now, I have THE most pressing question of the day.
How did he do those cool question mark thingies?
</kidding>
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:43:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
i'm dropping off the grid in may for a month long stint in the new mexican wilderness. it can be done. long term might turn you feral though :-)
the best way to stick it to the gov't legally is to OWE them money at the end of the tax year. by paying more than you need to, you are giving the gov't an interest free loan!! i always crack up when people tell me they opt for more taken out of their pay to get more back in their refund. they would be better owing the gov't, and taking the extra money they would have overpaid and investing in a decent yield savings account like ING or something that they could withdraw from easily if needed.
remember ETS that you will most likely be fined a ton of money for not paying taxes, and possible jail time. is it worth it? if you think so, then good luck and i hope they don't find you.
also local and state taxes are important for schools and road repair, etc.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:41:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
and by the way, $178 dollars really isn't that much anyways. good luck with all that extra chicken-flavored ramen and easy mac you'll have around the apartment.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:40:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:28:41 (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:06:28 (#)
Ranking: 2
I'm giving you this +2 not because I agree, but because you believe what you believe so fervently that you're willing to do this.
I honestly think that you do not possess the will to do something like this. I feel that you're all talk and no action.
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Watch me.
If it makes you feel any better about it, I'll send you a screenshot of my contribution of $178 to World Vision.
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"Watch me"...you think you're such a revolutionaire...it's pathetic.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:36:01 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:44:22 (#)
Ranking: 0
Williamson...did you not understand me? I think you and some of the other people here are missing the point.
My FEDERAL government spends over $0.50 out of every dollar I give them on fighter jets, warships, laser-guided missiles, and spy sats.
They're spending in the enterprise of meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations, NOT building roads and schools. In fact, they're CUTTING funding for schools. The funding for new roads are being left to the states, which is why my state of Indiana, for instance, is now resorting to LEASING its highways to foreign investors now to offset cost.
Any road that's not leased to foreign investors from countries such as yours, Williamson, is made into a toll road, so motorists are forced to pay even more of their hard-earned wages.
I already said I'd pay my state taxes. I don't mind funding my state and a militia for that state, in fact, I am OVERPAYING them this year by $100, but I am NOT helping fund the federal government as long as they're more employed in war than in peace.
I am giving that money to organizations that concern themselves with peace and wellbeing of the people of this planet, not exploitation and destruction and meddling in their affairs.
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look mr. jiggy pants, i'll try to explain this to you again: when we make up the military budget and pay the citizen's taxes towards it, it goes back -- get ready for this -- TO THE CITIZENS!! who do you think builds the fighter jets? it's not like dubya just calls up god from the oval office and says "hey there, need another plane for the air force guys. thanks." no, the military has contracts with various businesses, who employ people that build the plane, that get paid, that then buy shit, which stimulates the economy, and then they pay taxes. it's really quite circular, and somehow it manages to work.
your ignorance is really quite infuriating sometimes.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:30:17 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:43:30 (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:14:39 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:10:47 (#)
Ranking: 0
You want pure selflessness? Be a mother.
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A single mother, at that.
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Quite right - how dare men be so selfish! Their refusal to fly in the face of medical science by simply growing a womb astounds and disgusts me.
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hahahah
Submitted by alragusa (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:25:29 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
ETS: What have the Romans ever done for us?
ME: Aqueducts.
ETS: Well, apart from the aqueducts.
ME: Roads.
ETS: Apart from the roads.
ME: Public baths.
ETS: Apart from the public baths.
ME: Law and order: it's quite safe in the streets.
ETS: Apart from law and order.
ME: Wine?
ETS: Apart from the wine. Apart from aqueducts, roads, law and order, wine, public baths — apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2006-04-10 11:01:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
No Comment
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:54:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
And FA, I should rephrase that, then.
He should talk to a few single mothers.
How's that?
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:53:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
"FIGHT THE POWER!"
"To fight the power, we need to like, you know, find the power."
"How do we do that?"
"Well, I think we can call someone, like the operator."
"I gotta pick up a phone?"
"Well yeah."
"Too much work, man."
"What happened to 'FIGHT THE POWER'?"
"Fuck dude, I'm baked."
"Look at your hand, dude!"
"What were we talking about?"
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:48:38 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
You seem to only do things, like not paying your taxes, that take ZERO effort on your part. Sure the consequences are harsh, and you're taking a risk, but you're only doing it because your initial investment of time and effort is zero. You're the laziest rebel I've ever seen.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:47:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I just thought that maybe you should subscribe to the fitting default quote up on the uberboard:
"We must become the change we want to see in the world" - Gandhi
Do something instead of preaching about things. What you're doing here isn't action, it's apathy. I've said it before, and you seem to not want to understand, but talking about shit will get you nowhere. Do something about it.
THAT'S why I don't take you seriously. That's why I think you're a fucking idiot. The wise man doesn't think he's wise. He can only aspire. Running around and calling yourself a genius and telling other people they're idiots because they don't agree with you makes you one of the ugliest people around here, in mind and in spirit. How can you expect other people to respect your opinion if you refuse to respect theirs?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:44:22 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-10 06:04:44 (#)
Ranking: -2
$10 says that if a president that you really like gets into power and some right-wing southern hicks decide to pull off what you're proposing, you would bitch and whine that they are not playing their part in democracy, yadda yadda.
If it has come to this, either leave America or change it through force.
As for me, I want my roads, my schools and my hospitals. Pay your fucking taxes. Be as loud as you fucking want about it, but pay them.
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Williamson...did you not understand me? I think you and some of the other people here are missing the point.
My FEDERAL government spends over $0.50 out of every dollar I give them on fighter jets, warships, laser-guided missiles, and spy sats.
They're spending in the enterprise of meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations, NOT building roads and schools. In fact, they're CUTTING funding for schools. The funding for new roads are being left to the states, which is why my state of Indiana, for instance, is now resorting to LEASING its highways to foreign investors now to offset cost.
Any road that's not leased to foreign investors from countries such as yours, Williamson, is made into a toll road, so motorists are forced to pay even more of their hard-earned wages.
I already said I'd pay my state taxes. I don't mind funding my state and a militia for that state, in fact, I am OVERPAYING them this year by $100, but I am NOT helping fund the federal government as long as they're more employed in war than in peace.
I am giving that money to organizations that concern themselves with peace and wellbeing of the people of this planet, not exploitation and destruction and meddling in their affairs.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:43:30 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:14:39 (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:10:47 (#)
Ranking: 0
You want pure selflessness? Be a mother.
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A single mother, at that.
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Quite right - how dare men be so selfish! Their refusal to fly in the face of medical science by simply growing a womb astounds and disgusts me.
Submitted by alragusa (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:37:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
I couldn't agree with domenad more.
ETS, your ignorance is astounding. You keep quoting a man who lived in a much different time. The world is A LOT smaller today and the actions of foreign nations (especially those who support terrorism) are a very real threat to us. Is the government corrupt? Of course. Am I a Kool-Aid drinker? Of course not. But, I do understand that if you want a society that you need people in charge. Unfortunately, due mostly to corporate interests and the need to secure votes by pandering, there is corruption in our government. I've learned to accept that and move on because the American people don't care enough to change it.
Another thing - you talk about morals. Well, even if we are only looking after our own interests, we still liberated a nation from a dictator. No human being with any sense could possibly think that he was good for anything. The man was Stalin reincarnated. Also, as the world's only super power, that also eliminates a threat (not that Hussein would attack us, but I'm sure he would finance it).
God bless you, but you need to take a step back and look at the whole picture.
Submitted by congo (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:18:03 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Maybe you should change your name on MVA to "Al Capone."
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:16:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I'm still paying off 3 grand to the IRS from 2004, and they just hit me with another 2 grand. The explanation? My job was undercharging me on taxes last year when they took them out of my pay check.
Soooo......if I make $1200 a week clean, they take out 600 (1800 a week before taxes) and THEN have the nerve to tell me at the end of the year that I owe 2 grand MORE on top of that?
Those motherfuckers.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:14:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:10:47 (#)
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You want pure selflessness? Be a mother.
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A single mother, at that.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:11:55 EDT (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/86456
You're going down.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2006-04-10 10:01:37 EDT (#)
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You know what's wrong. You know what's right.
Do what's right.
Submitted by nrduncan (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:30:40 EDT (#)
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STFU
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:28:32 EDT (#)
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Dude, do what I plan on doing, work wit te system for a while, be a bastard, get rich.
Then go set up somewhere self sufficient and take about 1000 people with you.
Its been done, it never changes the world for most people, but it sure changes it for you and 999 others.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:28:19 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:07:48 (#)
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For instance, you don't care that the reason why we supported Hussein was as a hedge against the Iranians, the Iranians that were angry at us because of our support for the Shah, who we supported as a hedge against the Russian communists."
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And tell me, oh almighty domenad...WHO PUT THE SHAH IN POWER IN THE FIRST PLACE?
That's right, we did. What was it...1953?"
Didn't he just say that the Shah was put there to stop Russia? Yeah we put him in power, but it didn't happen in a vaccuum.
"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:13:54 (#)
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You remember them, right? The ones that killed 100 million people? That starved 20 million Russians? Your rationale is analogous to finding me, standing over the body of a dead man with blood on my hands.
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"Ok, when did the Russians do this killing? Tell me. Because I seem to recall the United States of American ARMY wiping out an ENTIRE population of Native American Indians, not to mention the fact that we practically stole half the country of Mexico. Not to mention we stole the soverign kingdom of Hawaii.
Dude, the blood is on everyone's hands. This has nothing to do with blood. Blood is cheap to the men who don't shed any. They can sit in their mansions and dictate the sword to do what they will. This is about MONEY, my friend. MONEY.
Don't ever forget that. I don't care what your superior officers told you going through boot camp to brainwash your ass, this is the fucking truth, and the sooner you learn it, the better off we'll ALL be."
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Well there weren't 20 million Native Americans.
Look nobody said America's hands were clean, but most native americans were wiped out by disease, and that had been going on since Columbus came. A lot of it happened before the US was even a country. A lot of it happened when people thought it was ok to own slaves, when the rest of the western world was doing the same thing to native people everywhere. I am not saying it is ok, but you can't look at it from todays perspective.
America isn't perfect, but you are an idiot if you think it is worse than communist russia.
If you are really not paying federal taxes, which I doubt, are you filing a return? I would guess you probably aren't, but if you really believe in your protest and you believe in not supporting the govt shouldn't you have the balls to let them know you aren't supporting them?
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:22:22 EDT (#)
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Vote ETS for president in 2008.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:16:36 EDT (#)
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and another for alter of convenience, even if its only a quote
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:16:12 EDT (#)
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Wow. goodness
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:10:54 EDT (#)
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congrats on MVA, can't say you haven't worked for it.
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:10:47 EDT (#)
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You want pure selflessness? Be a mother.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2006-04-10 08:00:23 EDT (#)
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Good for you. Though I do feel there are better ways of protesting.
If every Tom Dick and Harry started holding back %'s of their various taxes due to personal beliefs (I don't know.... abortion? road maintenance? education? healthcare?) wouldn't you country start to crumble?
Surely paying your tax and then changing the way the government spend that money is wiser?
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-10 06:35:29 EDT (#)
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oh, all that and probably some significant red flags placed against your tax returns for years to come
Submitted by badassmofo (user info) at 2006-04-10 06:34:24 EDT (#)
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noble notion
but, you're not realy required to pay your taxes yearly. sure there are some fees attached to not doing it but in the end they aren't going to arrest you for it.
you can hold your taxes for a few years...what does Bush have left 3?...and then you'll pay them and in the end you really didn't do much...no great movement or rebellion.
nope as a matter of fact all you're going to get out of it are some fines, some additional accountants fees, the inability to itemize as you will likely not be able to maintain records properly for those years, and another futile knotch in your Belt of Injustice
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-10 06:12:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-10 06:04:44 (#)
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$10 says that if a president that you really like gets into power and some right-wing southern hicks decide to pull off what you're proposing, you would bitch and whine that they are not playing their part in democracy, yadda yadda.
If it has come to this, either leave America or change it through force.
As for me, I want my roads, my schools and my hospitals. Pay your fucking taxes. Be as loud as you fucking want about it, but pay them.
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Even Ubersite's resident pinko-leftist-Aussie told you off!
HA!
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-04-10 06:04:44 EDT (#)
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$10 says that if a president that you really like gets into power and some right-wing southern hicks decide to pull off what you're proposing, you would bitch and whine that they are not playing their part in democracy, yadda yadda.
If it has come to this, either leave America or change it through force.
As for me, I want my roads, my schools and my hospitals. Pay your fucking taxes. Be as loud as you fucking want about it, but pay them.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:31:51 EDT (#)
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Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-04-10 01:40:18 (#)
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To get you on MVA because, honestly, you deserve it...
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Thank you, but honestly, MVA is the furthest thing from my mind right now.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:28:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:06:28 (#)
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I'm giving you this +2 not because I agree, but because you believe what you believe so fervently that you're willing to do this.
I honestly think that you do not possess the will to do something like this. I feel that you're all talk and no action.
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Watch me.
If it makes you feel any better about it, I'll send you a screenshot of my contribution of $178 to World Vision.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:27:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-09 23:27:35 (#)
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I mean, Henry David Thoreau DID do it first...
And I've always been an anarchist sympathizer, so nothing new, but...
I have an English teacher who calculates what percent of government spending goes to "defense" and refuses to pay that percent of his taxes. He sends is a 30-someodd page essay he wrote eight years ago in with his papers and he has yet to be audited, somehow.
I give him two more years.
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Good, give me his phone number and we'll make it a class action lawsuit against the government.
I guess this would be a good time for me to join the ACLU.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:13:54 EDT (#)
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You remember them, right? The ones that killed 100 million people? That starved 20 million Russians? Your rationale is analogous to finding me, standing over the body of a dead man with blood on my hands.
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Ok, when did the Russians do this killing? Tell me. Because I seem to recall the United States of American ARMY wiping out an ENTIRE population of Native American Indians, not to mention the fact that we practically stole half the country of Mexico. Not to mention we stole the soverign kingdom of Hawaii.
Dude, the blood is on everyone's hands. This has nothing to do with blood. Blood is cheap to the men who don't shed any. They can sit in their mansions and dictate the sword to do what they will. This is about MONEY, my friend. MONEY.
Don't ever forget that. I don't care what your superior officers told you going through boot camp to brainwash your ass, this is the fucking truth, and the sooner you learn it, the better off we'll ALL be.
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:07:55 EDT (#)
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Grammar Nazi says: Maiorano! You wrote "whose" instead of "who's"! YOU MUST DIE NOW!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:07:48 EDT (#)
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For instance, you don't care that the reason why we supported Hussein was as a hedge against the Iranians, the Iranians that were angry at us because of our support for the Shah, who we supported as a hedge against the Russian communists.
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And tell me, oh almighty domenad...WHO PUT THE SHAH IN POWER IN THE FIRST PLACE?
That's right, we did. What was it...1953?
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2006-04-10 02:06:28 EDT (#)
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I'm giving you this +2 not because I agree, but because you believe what you believe so fervently that you're willing to do this.
I honestly think that you do not possess the will to do something like this. I feel that you're all talk and no action. I think that you lack everything it takes to make an example out of yourself, and I truly feel that you are going to be a coward in the end, after realizing that the American government probably doesn't give a shit about you or your taxes. I also think that any support you drum up will be crushed under similar circumstances, and anybody whose left will probably end up as a blurb on page A5 of your local paper.
In all honesty, I want you to prove me wrong. It would be a refreshing change from watching just another average prick break in the end. Either way, prepare your cavities for the collective raping you'll be getting in the future from the IRS and (dare I say?) whatever court you'll be sent to.
In other news, I just saw V For Vendetta. Unlikely heroes are always cool.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-10 01:40:49 EDT (#)
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ok, finished. grandiose, but that is your style, which is fine. i quite like the post, because it is your opinion over anything else. you are stating your displeasure at an action of the government and your intended reaction against that. it makes for an interesting conversation that doesnt have to descend into the usual mire, which is good. personally i couldnt give a shit what my government does with the money i give it in taxes. taxes are just a part of my income that i dont get to spend. the things my and your governments do are in very real ways essential to the continued comfort in which i swan through life. if some brown people have to punished for this to happen, then im afraid i can accept that. i dont think its fair, and i dont celebrate it, but its a sad truth that i can go to sleep at night not worrying about.
its a matter of choice. i am happy to make the choice to accept what my governments do with my money.
unless of course it is when they use it to go on holidays and travel rorts and shit like that. THAT pisses me off.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2006-04-10 01:40:18 EDT (#)
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To get you on MVA because, honestly, you deserve it...
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-04-10 01:31:09 EDT (#)
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havent finished reading yet, but interestingly, i used this exact same quote in a post a while ago
[Jesus Christ said, "what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" ]
my answer was YOU GAIN THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD. the world is a big place with lots in it. id say its a pretty deent prize for ones soul. people sell their souls for far, far less - materially speaking.
Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-04-10 00:18:02 EDT (#)
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Last week you were going to overthrow the governemnt. Now you'd gonna skip out on $178 in taxes?
I bet the gubment is REAL scared, cheese-for-balls.
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-09 23:27:35 EDT (#)
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I mean, Henry David Thoreau DID do it first...
And I've always been an anarchist sympathizer, so nothing new, but...
I have an English teacher who calculates what percent of government spending goes to "defense" and refuses to pay that percent of his taxes. He sends is a 30-someodd page essay he wrote eight years ago in with his papers and he has yet to be audited, somehow.
I give him two more years.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-04-09 22:37:07 EDT (#)
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"If I am arrested for this, so be it. I will take solace in the fact that I am on the side of right and not just another pawn in the game."
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I've got $50 bail money for ETS. Anyone else?
Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2006-04-09 22:36:28 EDT (#)
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Well...MVA.
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-09 22:35:22 EDT (#)
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You should find your name on MVA any moment now... 10:35 PM EST
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-09 22:13:39 EDT (#)
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thanks domenad. he's not going to get it, though.
sopranos rocks.
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-04-09 21:38:25 EDT (#)
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No, I am listening, and believe me, I do understand, and it is a dilemma for me. Saddam Hussein might not have been the best man for the job of running Iraq. Yes, he probably murdered his fair share of dissenters and their families. But he is what worked. When the time came that high-minded Iraqis got together and said "enough is enough", they could have had their revolution.
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alright, put the brakes on here buddy.
Mass murder, genocide and he was what worked?
Stalin "worked" for the soviet union, hitler "worked" for Germany, and yet we decry these men as maniac and bloodthirsty.
but saddam just "worked" for Iraq? The man who gassed the kurds, used chemaical weapons against the iranians, invaded a sovereign nation and had really bad taste in clothes; this is the man who worked for his people?
There was no civil unrest because he killed anyone who dared speak against him, the kurds had no chance against him in a civil war. The iraqis could not have stood against him, if he had no problem gassing the Kurds, who's to say he wouldn't unleash a chemical hell on his own people?
but hey, he "worked" for iraq.
I find civil unrest to be a sign of burgeoning freedom. I see protests as people excercising their right to tell the government to sit the fuck down and listen.
I see the iraqi people doing this, and I view it as a sign of a nation on the road to something better than a totalitarian state that they existed under for decades.
and I think that's better than whatever saddam did any day.
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2006-04-09 21:37:05 EDT (#)
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I should apologize for the comment I made earlier; I don't think you're an idiot, I just find it difficult to watch somebody with so much passion squander it such a on meaningless protest. The woods thing is good though; best of luck with it.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-04-09 21:36:02 EDT (#)
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ETS, I really don't mean any offense, but you sound like a two-year old child. You man know WHAT happened during the course of history, but you don't seem to know or care WHY they happened. For instance, you don't care that the reason why we supported Hussein was as a hedge against the Iranians, the Iranians that were angry at us because of our support for the Shah, who we supported as a hedge against the Russian communists. You remember them, right? The ones that killed 100 million people? That starved 20 million Russians? Your rationale is analogous to finding me, standing over the body of a dead man with blood on my hands. You want to run intot he street, screaming that I'm a murderer. You don't care that he was breaking into my house. In the end, you're simply upset because the scenario in which the US wears the white gloves hasn't been followed. You save the criticism for your own country. Where is the criticism for the communist murderers with whom the genesis of this resides? Your naivete is really astounding, but has nothing to do with a lack of ability or intelligence. You don't see, because you don't want to see.
Submitted by rockdocc (user info) at 2006-04-09 21:28:40 EDT (#)
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This was well written, your point was made, in all honesty I can find no actual reason to -2 this post. Do I agree with it? meh. but, not poorly written.
now, I'm going to go put my aluminum hat back on and hope big brother doesn't see me.
wait a minute, I work for him.
and what's this shit about not paying taxes?! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET PAID?! You know, hookers and liquor do not come cheap these days.
oh yeah, one more thing.
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I also hereby declare my independance from the government of the United States of America until such time as they get back to doing what they're there to do, DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. That is, unless they keep defining 'enemies' as those people who still exercise a conscience.
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it's my job to defend the constitution damnit, and we're doing a damn good job, at least I like to think so.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-09 21:14:22 EDT (#)
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So seriously, since I can't seem to read this without laughing, is he using the outdated argument of "The amendment wasn't properly ratified" because some states had spelling errors in their ballots and such?
Even though every time that argument has been brought up in court, in ANY court, it's been laughed out?
And also, wouldn't that also mean alcohol is still illegal, because the 18th had spelling errors, and the VP isn't the defacto 2nd in line because the 22nd amendment had spelling errors?
Just wondering and all...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 21:02:19 EDT (#)
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Time to go home now. I'll check back later.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:58:05 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:30:40 (#)
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Ever try "The Sound and the Fury" by Faulkner? Kinda tough reading
for the first 75 or so pages...
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Never read that one. When I move to the woods I'll have more time to read.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:53:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:35:58 (#)
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D'ju already pay your taxes this year?
If not, y'gonna?
If not, y'gonna make a big deal out of not paying them like trying to get on the news with your refusal to support a government you don't believe represents you?
If not, you're just talking shit for the ubercrowd and don't really believe what you post.
You can certainly preach - let's just see how you practice.
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I'm not gonna make a big deal about it unless they come after me, in which case I will, through my lawyer, alert the media and point them to this post. I'm not looking to get famous or raise a stink with this, I'm just trying to do what I know is right.
If I am arrested for this, so be it. I will take solace in the fact that I am on the side of right and not just another pawn in the game.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:49:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:20:35 (#)
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So you think you understand the ins and outs of Thoreau? I take it you haven't heard the somewhat less refined maxim about the fellow who learns to use a hammer and suddenly everything looks like a nail? You're on the wrong side of history ace. You oppose the removal of a man who threw people to lions and dropped them, alive into woodchippers. You call "enemy" the man who deposed him. Your whole existence is a solenoid of self-righteousness wrapped around a core of guilt and self-loathing. The fact that your protest will do absolutely nothing to further your cause means nothing to you. The fact that there are things you could actually do in lieu of this meaningless protest escapes you. And the fact that, as a progressive, you stand shoulder to shoulder with men who stick women in bags, rape women who do not conform to their ideals, murder men who change their mind about religion, and strap bombs onto their children while humming hymns of praise is an irony so vicious it cuts to the bone of even a cynical conservative.
But I'm the biggest idiot, because I'm talking and talking, all the while knowing you're not listening.
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No, I am listening, and believe me, I do understand, and it is a dilemma for me. Saddam Hussein might not have been the best man for the job of running Iraq. Yes, he probably murdered his fair share of dissenters and their families. But he is what worked. When the time came that high-minded Iraqis got together and said "enough is enough", they could have had their revolution.
It would be awesome if the many countries around the world that exist in similar dictatorships could be liberated as well. We could have chosen from a long list of places that could have used but a little of the $2 TRILLION we've spent in 'liberating' Iraq so far. But the fact of the matter is, we do nothing for those countries because they have nothing to offer us in return.
Sudan, Somalia, Rawanda... The list goes on and on of places in which we could do much good and could sincerely use our help, but we turn our backs on them in favor of overthrowing a dictator for our own selfish ends under the banner of 'liberation' when everyone with half a brain knows it's only for American strategic interest that we're there.
Here's the thing. If we were wise in our expenditure of money, if we REALLY wanted to make a positive impact on the world by helping redistribute just a portion of our wealth to disadvantaged countries, I'd be all for it. In fact, I'd be the first to step off the boat.
There are places in the world where just a little aid to help farmers with irrigation, or medical supples, or books for education, or even just a herd of goats for a village would help so much, but instead we give $2 TRILLION to moguls of the military industiral complex, some of the most heartless killers in the world, to go after Saddam Hussein (who we now know was not a military threat to us or his neighbors).
If Saddam was lining people up in the streets on January of 2003 and shooting them for nothing, then yes, we should have gone in there, but we're holding him accountable now for things he did in the early 80s WHEN WE WERE FUNDING HIM TO FIGHT THE IRANIANS!
Let us not forget where Saddam's military came from in the first place. Let us not forget who helped him become what he became. Let us not forget that he was once an ally and that before going into Kuwait our own CIA gave him indications that such an action wouldn't even raise the eyebrow of the United States.
I don't want tyranny in the world as much as you, Domenad. But most important to me, I want to know that I am not helping to fund tyranny. I want to know that I am not in any way lending my support to tyrannical regime (B) in their overthrow of tyrannical regime (A).
As a student of American history, I am sad to say our government has been responsible for some of the most unspeakable tyranny of the last 200 years. Only we have been underhanded and slimy enough to pay others to do our dirty work most of the time, which always gives us a clear scapegoat when they've outlived their usefulness.
Submitted by mono_blanco (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:46:20 EDT (#)
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Particularly nice and inspiring. I respect the intent even if you don't follow through. It's a really tough call, and probably comes down to weighing the duty you feel to not pay taxes that will be used in a certain manner against the possible utilitarian costs - for instance, if you do go to prison, which may be relatively unlikely, there would be the cost of the time you might have used to do other things to promote change (although, on the other hand, what is to say you could not promote change while in prison?). Ok, I'll stop rambling. Keep up the good work.
Submitted by AlwaysAnEagle (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:39:16 EDT (#)
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Ahh. I heart "Civil Disobedience."
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:39:08 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:26:44 (#)
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Dude, I got to, like, page 5 or something before going "fuck this shit!" :P
All I know is, I want some of whatever that man was on."
whiskey, potatoes, and depression? hey, go for it
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:35:58 EDT (#)
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D'ju already pay your taxes this year?
If not, y'gonna?
If not, y'gonna make a big deal out of not paying them like trying to get on the news with your refusal to support a government you don't believe represents you?
If not, you're just talking shit for the ubercrowd and don't really believe what you post.
You can certainly preach - let's just see how you practice.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:30:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Ever try "The Sound and the Fury" by Faulkner? Kinda tough reading
for the first 75 or so pages...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:26:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:14:24 (#)
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were you actually able to finish Ulysses? i find it's something i could only read if i had absolutely nothing else going on in my life for about 3 or 4 weeks, it's just too heavy and attention-demanding
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Dude, I got to, like, page 5 or something before going "fuck this shit!" :P
All I know is, I want some of whatever that man was on.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:26:19 EDT (#)
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Hey, ets, Thoreau was a dolt! Respond, dammit!
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:20:35 EDT (#)
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So you think you understand the ins and outs of Thoreau? I take it you haven't heard the somewhat less refined maxim about the fellow who learns to use a hammer and suddenly everything looks like a nail? You're on the wrong side of history ace. You oppose the removal of a man who threw people to lions and dropped them, alive into woodchippers. You call "enemy" the man who deposed him. Your whole existence is a solenoid of self-righteousness wrapped around a core of guilt and self-loathing. The fact that your protest will do absolutely nothing to further your cause means nothing to you. The fact that there are things you could actually do in lieu of this meaningless protest escapes you. And the fact that, as a progressive, you stand shoulder to shoulder with men who stick women in bags, rape women who do not conform to their ideals, murder men who change their mind about religion, and strap bombs onto their children while humming hymns of praise is an irony so vicious it cuts to the bone of even a cynical conservative.
But I'm the biggest idiot, because I'm talking and talking, all the while knowing you're not listening.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:17:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:49:15 (#)
Ranking: -2
You have a lot of anger in you.
Try going for a jog in the park.
Get some alone time.
Listen to a recording of the ocean and burn some candles.
Something.
Just fucking relax.
I mean, do you think about anything besides how everyone is screwing you?
Why don't you stop bitching and actually do something besides bitching, uselessly mind you, on Uber.
Dumbass.
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Yo, MockPerson, try READING WHAT THE MAN WROTE!!! If you can't see what he's saying,
try drinking bleach. Go for your jog and say, "Lalalalalalala, I can't hear you!"
Fucking fool....
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:14:24 EDT (#)
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were you actually able to finish Ulysses? i find it's something i could only read if i had absolutely nothing else going on in my life for about 3 or 4 weeks, it's just too heavy and attention-demanding
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 20:12:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:57:48 (#)
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it's still a little drama-queenish, and unnecesarily wordy, but this rating is sincere
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Yea, sorry about the wordiness. Kinda hard to escape when you've been reading Thoreau. Just be glad it wasn't James Joyce. :P
Thanks for the sincerity, dude. It's appreciated.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:57:48 EDT (#)
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it's still a little drama-queenish, and unnecesarily wordy, but this rating is sincere
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:56:03 EDT (#)
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Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:45:58 (#)
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I'm not even reading this, based on the subject matter.
You're a citizen? You should pay taxes.
Don't want to pay taxes? Don't be a citizen.
Just that simple.
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How can you comment on something if you don't know what that something is?
You want your comment to have any weight, read the post before you pass judgement on it.
Just that simple.
Submitted by mockidol (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:49:15 EDT (#)
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You have a lot of anger in you.
Try going for a jog in the park.
Get some alone time.
Listen to a recording of the ocean and burn some candles.
Something.
Just fucking relax.
I mean, do you think about anything besides how everyone is screwing you?
Why don't you stop bitching and actually do something besides bitching, uselessly mind you, on Uber.
Dumbass.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:45:58 EDT (#)
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I'm not even reading this, based on the subject matter.
You're a citizen? You should pay taxes.
Don't want to pay taxes? Don't be a citizen.
Just that simple.
So when are you building your compound? I thought it was radical neo-cons who did that...
Submitted by Genko (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:27:33 EDT (#)
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I thought about writing a big reply to this post. I've decided instead to dismiss you as a reactionary and an idiot who wrote this on whim after reading too much Thoreau on a Sunday afternoon.
My bet is that you're going to be paying your taxes in full this year because you're an armchair activist who doesn't have the fortitude to go to jail for his convictions.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:01:14 EDT (#)
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I'm going to take this time to add "dolt" to the list.
Submitted by G-prime (user info) at 2006-04-09 19:00:39 EDT (#)
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Thoreau was an idiot and a hack.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:56:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:34:57 (#)
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I am torn between utter indifference and outrage and indignation at your hypocrisy. I wrote about this just after the election, and this just illustrates it all over again. You cannot pick and choose when you will pay your share. My tax dollars one year went to the purchase of a missile that President Clinton launched into the Sudan and blew up an aspirin factory. My tax dollars went one year to the purchase of police APCs that assisted in burning 74 Americans to death. This manner of protest is not only pointless, it is futile. You would be far more effective by simply donating to an anti-war Senator's campaign. These issues are decided at the ballot box, as they were when GWB was elected and reelected (and if you have any recount ridiculousness to spout, shove it sideways).
When you're arrested, when you're in jail, and when I finally don't have to read your whiny screeds any more, I won't have any satisfaction in the slightest. But I will shake my head just slightly in disappointment before moving on with my life.
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I'll let Mr. Thoreau answer that for me:
"All voting is a sort of gaming, like checkers or backgammon, with a slight moral tinge to it, a playing with right and wrong, with moral questions; and betting naturally accompanies it. The character of the voters is not staked. I cast my vote, perchance, as I think right; but I am not vitally concerned that that right should prevail. I am willing to leave it to the majority. Its obligation, therefore, never exceeds that of expediency. Even voting for the right is doing nothing for it. It is only expressing to men feebly your desire that it should prevail. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority. There is but little virtue in the action of masses of men." - Civil Disobedience
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:37:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:21:31 (#)
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Why would I do that? I pay taxes every year, yet I still had to pay 2 Grand this year anyway on TOP of all that.
I admire you Bradley, I don't understand why you think I would call the IRS on you?? You're my hero
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Jesus. I was disappointed at having to pay in $178. I was getting $100 refund from Indiana, but I'm not filing for that. I don't mind so much giving to my state. Let them keep the $100. I hope they use it for education.
As for the Feds' $178, they can suck it. That money is going to World Vision instead. If they want to imprison me for it, so be it. It's the right thing to do.
http://worldvision.org/
By the way, thanks for being cool today. It's hard to tell if you're serious or not, but thanks anyway. I'm not tryin' to be a hero here. I just think it would be nice if we all did a little soul-searching and managed to get together enough to send Caesar a message.
You guys are always talking about how I should do something. Well, this is it. I'm risking prison for it. And it has nothing to do with any of you either, it has everything to do with the Thoreau I've been reading the last couple days. He really made me think about my own moral obligations and my own idea of what makes a man.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:34:57 EDT (#)
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I am torn between utter indifference and outrage and indignation at your hypocrisy. I wrote about this just after the election, and this just illustrates it all over again. You cannot pick and choose when you will pay your share. My tax dollars one year went to the purchase of a missile that President Clinton launched into the Sudan and blew up an aspirin factory. My tax dollars went one year to the purchase of police APCs that assisted in burning 74 Americans to death. This manner of protest is not only pointless, it is futile. You would be far more effective by simply donating to an anti-war Senator's campaign. These issues are decided at the ballot box, as they were when GWB was elected and reelected (and if you have any recount ridiculousness to spout, shove it sideways).
When you're arrested, when you're in jail, and when I finally don't have to read your whiny screeds any more, I won't have any satisfaction in the slightest. But I will shake my head just slightly in disappointment before moving on with my life.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:31:19 EDT (#)
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This is old news now, but I forgot to bring it to your attention at the time - America has only coughed up 38% of the tsunami aid it pledged over a year ago.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/business_tsunami_aid/html/1.stm
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:21:31 EDT (#)
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Why would I do that? I pay taxes every year, yet I still had to pay 2 Grand this year anyway on TOP of all that.
I admire you Bradley, I don't understand why you think I would call the IRS on you?? You're my hero
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:20:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by fried-green-potatoes (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:30:23 (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:08:34 (#)
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I'm not entirely sure how it works over there, but doesn't your income tax also pay for upkeep of roads and such? Public amenities? Law and order?
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Funny you should ask...
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9410862/
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That link right there is a perfect illustration why we have a moral duty to stop supporting our federal government. MORE THAN HALF of all our money is spent in 'defense'. I use the term 'defense' loosely for obvious reasons, namely because mine is the single most meddlesome country on the face of the planet, and with our current president's policy of 'preemptive war', thanks but no thanks... He can fucking keep it. But he's not getting my money for it. Let him borrow it from the Chinese.
Respect for the law should NEVER outweigh respect for what's right, and I choose to stand on that premise till the day that I die.
Submitted by SPECIALk (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:18:10 EDT (#)
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I would live off the land with you, but unfortunately I'm not built to survive in the wilderness :( I'd be dead within a day. hahah
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:11:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:48:46 (#)
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you are a better man that me, Bradley. I can only aspire to be half as amazing as you
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I suppose that means you'll be contacting the IRS?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:08:46 EDT (#)
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!! NO I WILL NOT JOIN YOUR CULT!!!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 18:04:59 EDT (#)
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Here's the thing, and I am dead serious here... Would anyone be interested in doing a real life experiment?
I have some land that I could go live on right now.... Prime Kentucky woodlands with a creek, plenty of woods, fields that could be sown, etc. If anyone might be interested in seriously attempting to drop off the grid for a year, just to see if you're capable as a human being, you're welcome to come along.
I seriously might be doing this for real very soon. We'll have to build shelter, learn about the local edibles, invent ways of catching fish, fowl, squirrels, etc.
I am very serious here. There are no natural predators like bears there, so we won't be needing or bringing guns. This isn't David Koresh of anything, I'd just like to have an experience of a lifetime if nothing else. I've been reading some Thoreau lately, and the thought is seeming more and more appealing to me, particularly since I hate my job, I hate where I live, I hate the thought of contributing to the demise of a society I think has lost all direction and lost its roots, and, to quote, H.D.T. not when I come to die discover I have not lived.
The only thing holding me back right now is my lease on my apartment. I can't leave that for someone else to pay. As of February of 2007, I will be free of it. It is then I'm thinking of doing it.
If anyone's interested, or just wants to talk about the possibility, email me: electrictoothsyndrome.at.gmail.com
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:59:46 EDT (#)
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You are now 600+ posts away from MVA. Good work, Ace! (Gives thumbs up and a smile)
Submitted by ConorJS (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:58:40 EDT (#)
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You're gonna get arrested! HA! hahahaaaahhhhfuck. I think that if you don't want to pay taxes, you shouldn't have to, but you get 0 government benefits and when someone steals your shit/kills you, the police have no obligation to protect you or find out who it was.
It'd be sweet, huh?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:54:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:28:17 (#)
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In that case you also have the moral obligation not to call the police if you are being robbed, not to call an ambulance if youve been injured and not to call the fire department if your house is on fire.
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Fire department, police, and ambulances are not paid for using federal income taxes. They are paid for through state and local taxes.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:48:46 EDT (#)
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you are a better man that me, Bradley. I can only aspire to be half as amazing as you
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:46:54 EDT (#)
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I've been working very hard to drop off the American grid for good, just $16k left to go and I am gone.
Submitted by GGG (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:44:58 EDT (#)
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+2 on faith that you're actually going to stick to this.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:38:42 EDT (#)
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wrong on pretty much everything once again, but fuck it. here's your soap.
Submitted by fried-green-potatoes (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:30:23 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:08:34 (#)
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I'm not entirely sure how it works over there, but doesn't your income tax also pay for upkeep of roads and such? Public amenities? Law and order?
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Funny you should ask...
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9410862/
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:28:17 EDT (#)
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In that case you also have the moral obligation not to call the police if you are being robbed, not to call an ambulance if youve been injured and not to call the fire department if your house is on fire.
Submitted by Call911 (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:13:01 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:08:34 EDT (#)
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I'm not entirely sure how it works over there, but doesn't your income tax also pay for upkeep of roads and such? Public amenities? Law and order? You'd have to be living completely off the grid or you'd be forcing other people to pay for the shit that you use, surely?
"...I pledge to never again support, with either money or approval, any government that perpetrates unjust, preemptive wars under false pretenses against sovereign nations, that promotes fear and disconnection from our fellow man, or that fails to represent the true will of the people in its elected bodies."
That's all governments dude. Yours gets away with more than most because it's the biggest kid on the block, but put any other state in that position and the result would be the same.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:05:54 EDT (#)
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Also, you have a moral right not to pay taxes, but legally you will be fucked.
There was an amendment to the Constitution that leaglized income taxes, but I
don't remember the number. . .
Submitted by IkesApt (user info) at 2006-04-09 17:00:23 EDT (#)
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remember though, you can't accept any services from the government either.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-04-09 16:56:39 EDT (#)
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+2 because this post will get you on MVA.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2006-04-09 16:56:15 EDT (#)
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You will likely receive shit for this, as always. I agree that the U.S.
needs to stop pushing its will onto other countries.
If Bush invades Iran, as it appears he may, he needs to be IMPEACHED
or whatever it takes. He looks like an idiot.
Submitted by Serious_Melvin (user info) at 2006-04-09 16:54:56 EDT (#)
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Thoreau = auto +2