Debunking the Debunkers (A look at the Popular Mechanics article on 9/11) (3720 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2006-03-29 03:18:45 EST
This response was way too long to include on my other post, unfortunately. This post is addressing those who think that the Popular Mechanics article, which purports to debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories, is even worth reading.
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-28 18:42:31 (#)
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IF ETS WOULD JUST READ THE PM ARTICLE, IT WOULD ANSWER ALL HIS QUESTIONS.
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Now, I want you to pay a little bit of attention because I'm only gonna show you this once... OK? The Popular Mechanics article (that I just got finished reading and you think debunks all these claims) is an utter joke for several reasons.
I don't mean to sound condescending or anything, I just want you to read all this review and consider what I'm saying. Ok? Cool. Let's get started...
1: Go here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y
Scroll down to the part about WTC7 and the official FEMA story. Notice how they reiterate the government's story AGAIN, as if that's somehow debunking what another person has said who has called their competency and/or honesty into question. Notice how they continue to claim that fire and structural damage brought down building 7?
Now look at this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4429289437231286745&q=9%2F11 Open the video file and go to timecode 23:45. If nothing else whould debunk the "DEBUNKERS", it should be that clip right there! It shows the OWNER of WTC, Larry Silverstein ADMITTING he told officials to "pull it", meaning to demolish the building with explosives. So, obviously, something's amiss here in the PM article if they think they can go back to the EXACT SAME SOURCES that are in question for their investigative integrity and use their testimony to 'debunk' the 'crazy conspiracy theorists' who have questions about building 7. It is also worth noting that Mr. Silverstien's statement is all the more telling since it would be IMPOSSIBLE for demolition crews to work in the building that, accoring to FEMA's own report, was engulfed in fire capable of causing structural damage, especially to wire and destroy the building by 5:20 PM ON 9/11. Any demolition expert will tell you that that kind of demolition would require weeks of planning and execution.
2: The article starts out from the beginning, not presenting skeptics of the official story as reasoned individuals with valid questions based on simple misinformation or misunderstanding, instead they are portrayed thus:
"""Go to Google.com, type in the search phrase "World Trade Center conspiracy" and you'll get links to an estimated 628,000 Web sites. More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published; many of them reject the official consensus that hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda flew passenger planes into U.S. landmarks.
Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media."""
How can they jump to this conclusion on page 1 of an article, in essence trying to mold reader opinion from the outset, calling these skeptics "paraniod" and saying they're "peddling" this crazy idea in the media? How about suggesting that people who believe any of these claims domestically are "extremists"? This smacks of an article with a clear agenda of backing up the official story and pitting readers against the skeptics (aka "extremists"), NOT an article that is seriously considering legitimate questions. Toward the end of the first page, they go on to suggest that these questions and alternate explanations are filled with "animosity" and call them a "poison". How can you combat animosity then, instead of diplomatically offering supporting evidence of the official story or explaining how misinformation has clouded the issue, make a windfall declaration that these ideas are a "poison"? (i.e. The article is politics. Not science. In fact, there is very little information of scientific value in the entire article. There is only "who would you rather believe...us or them".)
3: All the article does is take the claims of the 'conspiracy theorists' and then reiterate the official story of FEMA and other government officials like it's going to be any more true the second time we hear it. They use quotes from the SAME PEOPLE involved in the initial investigations and use that as some kind of corroborating evidence.
For instance, in 'debunking' the claims made by someone from one particular website that in one of the photos of the 9/11 planes, it appeared to have a mysterious pod attached to the underbelly. Now, I haven't seen this particular photo, so I am not sure what they're even talking about here, but they reportedly sent the original high resolution picture to Arizona State University's Space Photography Laboratory to be analyzed. The lab concluded that the pod in the photo was an abberation due to lighting and digital pixel limitations.
Sure, I can buy that... No problem. I really don't care, because that's not even part of reasons *I* believe the government was behind it, so it doesn't affect me either way. BUT....
What IS unfortunate is that they sent the pictures to a lab that is mainly funded by the Department of Defense: http://www.aaas.org/spp/cstc/pne/pubs/regrep/arizona/highlights.htm
"""Arizona State University (ASU) received $33 million in federal R&D funding in FY 1995. The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching classified ASU as a Research I university in 1996. ASU received $41 million in federal funding for total S&E in FY 1995, placing it 96th in the nation."""
"""The Department of Defense (DOD) supplies over two-thirds of Arizona's federal R&D funds. Defense obligations to the state, which totaled $657 million in FY 1995, account for 1.9 percent of DOD's total R&D funds."""
"""Federal laboratories in Arizona received $178 million in FY 1995, almost one-fifth of the state's federal R&D funds. Three-quarters of these funds come from DOD.
Federal support for R&D, particularly DOD support for industrial R&D, in Arizona has been on the rise for the past several years, despite a downward trend in federal R&D funding for the nation as a whole."""
That was in 1995. I couldn't find updated information on ASU funding on the web, so who knows what it's up to now. But then....
That page went on to quote Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, who gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching."
Turns out, the California Institute of Technology is a Federal Lab: http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/CIT_funding.jpg
I'm not saying the conclusions were biased or even necessarily 'wrong', I'm just saying that they used the same sort of questionable sources here that they did throughout the article - the same sort of questionable sources they contend the 'conspiracy theorists' are using, and, even if this particular photo was found to be in no way indicitive of a 'pod' aircraft, that doesn't do ANYTHING in debunking the many other questions or even the theory of government involvement as a whole. I'm sure we can at least agree on that much at this point.
Moving on...
4: The next page is ridiculous in the sense that Popular Mechanics does EXACTLY what it accused the 'conspiracy theorists' of doing on page two when it said, "conspiracy theorists seize on a handful of "facts" to argue a very different scenario". They take one quote from one part of one website out of context and use that as a platform to bash the opposition using none other than quotes from Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD...
That's like using a company accused of pollution's PR representative and taking them at their word when they say, "we're not polluting the community". Oh, you've convinced me! CASE CLOSED!
See what I mean? It doesn't make sense, and it is no way the "irrefutable evidence" the article claims to present. Again, surely we can at least agree on that much.
On the same page, the PM article attacks the 'pod' theory again, this time from the angle of debunking a witness from Fox News who stated he didn't see any windows on the aircraft that struck the south tower. Then they go on to give us a nicely framed photo taken by the head FEMA investigator from the roof of WTC5 showing a clear picture of a piece of aircraft fuselage with windows on it. The investigator said he tracked the trajectory of the debris to the location and took the photograph.
Don't you find it odd that if a piece of fuselage was found on that roof, why wasn't more of the plane found there? Or even bodies of passengers for that matter? It seems that if the entire plane had the same sort of trajectory, there would have been more wreckage on that spot, including passenger body parts. Just a thought.
But ok, fair enough. They've debunked that part of the theory. But what have they really debunked here? That the plane had windows? Ok, sure, why not...the plane had windows. Again, that goes nowhere toward debunking the theory of a government coverup. It only gives a small piece of (still questionable) evidence to refute just one claim from one eyewitness among the hundreds of other pieces of contrary evidence.
It's also interesting to note that this FEMA investigator had made it to the roof of WTC5 all the while FEMA was not allowed near ground zero. They were relegated to collecting their evidence for their investigation from the landfill.
But I'll give it 'em. Let 'em have this one.
5: This Popular Mechanics article is laughable. It presents a handfull of claims by the 'conspiracy theorists' and presents them in such a way as to infer that they represent the whole of the cover up theory, when, in fact, many are just peripheral footnotes in the entire body of the widers claim that the government was behind the cover up.
This website probably summed it up best: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.html
"The article's approach is to identify and attack a series of claims which it asserts represent the whole of 9/11 skepticism. It gives the false impression that these claims, several of which are clearly absurd, represent the breadth of challenges to the official account of the flights, the World Trade Center attack, and the Pentagon attack. Meanwhile it entirely ignores vast bodies of evidence showing that only insiders had the means, motive, and opportunity to carry out the attack."
This site also brings to my attention the fact that Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corporation, who, as anyone aware of the Hearst name will know, is one of the largest media conglomerates on the planet.
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So, I think a reasonable person who critically reads and understands all the core questions by the so-called 'conspiracy theorists' will see that this Popular Mechanics article some of you hold so high as 'irrefutable evidence' is nothing more than a smear campaign based on reiterated positions of federal investigators, military officials, and DOD-funded labs, which is put forth by a magazine from a corporation with lobbying ties in Washington, and that doesn't prove or disprove anything.
Everyone knows, especially with all the attention on lobbying of late, that it is the common practice of corporations and government to scratch one another's backs. If a company like, say, Heart Corporation wants FCC degregulation to go through, they will simply pad the campaign coffers of people in Washington. However, companies like Hearst are in the unique position to offer contributions of another kind, contributions that are in many ways far more valuable than just money...favorable stories.
Here is a site detailing Hearst Corporation's lobbying activities: http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom/analysis/CompanyProfile.aspx?HOID=8037#Lobby
They're contributions, while fairly equally distributed between the parties, take a mysterious dive after 2000. Why?
Why would a company who had contributed an average of $172,000 over the previous 3 years suddenly reduce that amount to $24,000 in 2001 and an average of $29,000 over the next 4 years?
Something to consider, doncha think?
What you're doing is your taking the word of people with clear financial interests in maintaining the government's version of events over independent people, many of which have much more to lose than to gain by speaking out, and I think that's pretty sad.
What I'd like to know is, what is a magazine whose target readership are mechanics and gearheads from middle America - you know, men's men - doing making articles like this?
Aren't they supposed to be talking about cars or something?
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Submitted by gravitas (user info) at 2006-05-29 16:09:22 EDT (#)
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"Aren't they supposed to be talking about cars or something?"
seriously, what DOES that article have to do with engineering mechanics? furthermore, how would popular mechanics have more knowledge about 9/11 than cosmo? don't even bother with it.
Submitted by KindaLikeJesus (user info) at 2006-05-29 15:52:39 EDT (#)
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Just shut up what does the government gain by attacking the towers certainly not oil like would say there is plenty of oil in somewhere in Canada, if i remember the source i'll put a link up to but just shut up 9/11 was a terrorist attack that the governmentwas not involved in its planning or execution. so Fuck you
Submitted by nrduncan (user info) at 2006-04-10 09:31:56 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-04-03 06:17:54 EDT (#)
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MERDE ALORS! ÇA DÉBONK TOUJOURS AUTANT ICI!
LA DÉBONKATION FUT DÉBONKÉE PAR LES DÉBONKEURS DONT LA DÉBONKISME SEMBLE PEU DÉBONKIFIEUX EN CETTE JOURNÉE DE DÉBONKEMENT!
I CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THAT FUCKING WORD!!1
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-02 01:22:53 EST (#)
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Oh, and you forgot to mention that the man you're talking about had twice sued the company he worked for for injuries sustained on the job. One was dismissed because he was at fault in the accident, the other was a total forgery.
So yeah, he's credible.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-02 01:21:46 EST (#)
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So, ETS.
Scraped together enough cash at the commune to off me yet?
I'm sure others here would willingly do it on the cheap for you.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-04-02 00:44:51 EST (#)
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Some guy just recieved a 30 year sentence for threatening to asassinate W.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-04-01 23:02:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jesus_Loves_TwEE (user info) at 2006-04-01 08:59:48 (#)
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The last man pulled from the rubble
"William moved to New York, but beyond some gigs at Mostly Magic, his career did not take off. He started working for a cleaning company in the World Trade Center. He'd stay there twenty years.
On 9/11, William was late. Instead of mopping the stairwells on the 110th floor, where he almost certainly would have died, he was chatting with the maintenance crew on level B-1 in the basement. "I heard this massive explosion BELOW, on level B-2 or 3. I saw this guy come up the stairs. The skin on his arms was peeled away . . . hanging. Then I heard another explosion, from above. That was the first plane, hitting the building.
In possession of one of the few master keys in the building, William led firemen up the stairwells. He was responsible for getting at least a dozen people out of the towers. Trying to escape as the North Tower fell, he found himself beneath a half-buried fire engine.
"I told myself this is going to be a slow death, but I should make it last as long as I could. My training as an escape artist helped me. I knew to be calm. They found me just in time. I understood my whole life had been pointing to this moment."
Acclaimed as "the last man pulled from the rubble," William became a hero of 9/11. "I was at the White House. They took my picture with President Bush."
Four years later, after repeatedly being rebuffed in his attempts to tell officials his story about the basement explosion, William is suing the U.S. government under the rico statute, legislation drafted to prosecute Mafia families. The suit reads like an Air America wet dream, with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, John Ashcroft, George Tenet, Karl Rove, and others (the Diebold Company is thrown in for good measure) listed as defendants.
"They say I'm a conspiracy theorist; I call them conspirators, too," William says."
http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/index.html
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They should throw in all the families of those firefighters and victims of the towers as plaintiffs. I want to see these motherfuckers hanged.
I will live to see the day.
Submitted by Sphagnum (user info) at 2006-04-01 09:06:30 EST (#)
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I want to Rape, sodomize and then kill you.
All in the name of love, of course.
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The last man pulled from the rubble
"William moved to New York, but beyond some gigs at Mostly Magic, his career did not take off. He started working for a cleaning company in the World Trade Center. He'd stay there twenty years.
On 9/11, William was late. Instead of mopping the stairwells on the 110th floor, where he almost certainly would have died, he was chatting with the maintenance crew on level B-1 in the basement. "I heard this massive explosion BELOW, on level B-2 or 3. I saw this guy come up the stairs. The skin on his arms was peeled away . . . hanging. Then I heard another explosion, from above. That was the first plane, hitting the building.
In possession of one of the few master keys in the building, William led firemen up the stairwells. He was responsible for getting at least a dozen people out of the towers. Trying to escape as the North Tower fell, he found himself beneath a half-buried fire engine.
"I told myself this is going to be a slow death, but I should make it last as long as I could. My training as an escape artist helped me. I knew to be calm. They found me just in time. I understood my whole life had been pointing to this moment."
Acclaimed as "the last man pulled from the rubble," William became a hero of 9/11. "I was at the White House. They took my picture with President Bush."
Four years later, after repeatedly being rebuffed in his attempts to tell officials his story about the basement explosion, William is suing the U.S. government under the rico statute, legislation drafted to prosecute Mafia families. The suit reads like an Air America wet dream, with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, John Ashcroft, George Tenet, Karl Rove, and others (the Diebold Company is thrown in for good measure) listed as defendants.
"They say I'm a conspiracy theorist; I call them conspirators, too," William says."
http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/index.html
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-01 03:06:53 EST (#)
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Just wondering, who is Mr. Tyler?
I haven't kept up much until dipshit threatened me...
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-01 02:51:18 EST (#)
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"Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-03-31 13:45:52 (#)
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I'm all for Razor and the real writers taking back Uber... but man, watching ETS continue his trip away from sanity is amusing in the mean time."
agreed, uber hasn't been this much fun in ages. ironic that the kid doesn't even understand the meaning of the word.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-01 02:49:40 EST (#)
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you know all the pain a woman goes through during childbirth? yeah, your mother went through all that for NOTHING
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2006-04-01 02:48:59 EST (#)
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"Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-31 05:34:47 (#)
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By the way, Mr. Tyler.... I just thought you should know.... I know where you live now and we'll be seeing each other very fucking soon.
And I'll put my fist through your fucking jaw, and rip your sinus cavity out of your head. Yea....you like that you smug little fuck?
I'd fucking kill you, you snot-nosed little punk. Don't you ever forget it.
You have no idea how serious I can be."
hahahahaha this just gets better and better
do me next? please???
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-04-01 02:26:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-31 05:36:29 (#)
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That goes for you too, Greening, you fucking faggot. Closet case motherfucker. You need to die.
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Get back on your meds you fucking whackjob.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-03-31 19:15:41 EST (#)
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still?
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2006-03-31 15:42:10 EST (#)
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This has probably all been covered already, but I finished my proposal and have the time to reply now...
First off, can you stop telling people that I'm a physicist so you only want to debate with me? That's really quite foolish, because an argument doesn't validate or invalidate any arguments, and I've seen several people argue similar points, or clarify points, or correct things that I had a poor understanding of, including (off the top of my head) DCWoody, Oxymoron, and indoninja. I do astrophysics, so if you're looking for technical expertise, come back and ask me when the temperature reaches 15 million K. All I can offer is critical thought and some experience, which is really all anyone should need.
Re: the new video, there's nothing on the bottom of the 767. There is a distinct bulge in the fuselage of a passenger jet where the wings are anchored. Spend some time hanging out at an airport watching takeoffs and landings and you'll see what I mean. You can google image search for 767s and sort of see the same thing, although there's no *perfect* pic you should see what I'm talking about. You're seeing the shadow of that wing/fuselage fairing thingy in the video.
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 20:24:15 (#)
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I can't even get Coyote to admit B7 was fishy, and he's a physicist, Williamson. He insists the fires were raging due to a 1200 gallon tank of fuel (which by the way should have exploded like Hiroshima, leaving a huge ball of fire coming out the building on live TV at some point).
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What you can't get me to admit is that the evidence eliminates the official explanation as a possibility-- which was the original claim that was made. I never actually claimed that the fuel tanks were the cause of the fire, merely that they could exacerbate the fire that was (clearly) started after the collapse of WTC1/2, and contribute to the structural weakening of the building. It's already been pointed out elsewhere that the tanks would not probably have exploded in a fireball.
But, you know what? WTC-7 is virtually irrelevant. The conspiracy hangs on WTC-1/2, and it fails there. Anything about WTC-7 is then, necessarily, a footnote. It's like saying "If the Sun had a core of pure neutrons and was powered by their decay, then we can exactly explain the meteoritic abundances of xenon and iodine"-- the claim about the sun's core fails on helioseismological tests, and so whatever the true explanation for odd abundances of xenon in the solar system, it doesn't make the sun's core anything other than what it is. Maybe WTC-7 was fishy, but that can't be used as any kind of an argument about WTC 1/2.
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I'm not buying any of that shit. I look at a picture of molten steel that's DRIPPING...VISIBLY DRIPPING...off the clean up crew's back hoe, and he doesn't see anything but a material that has retained its shape after 6 weeks, regardless of the laws of entropy.
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Look at the thing! You can see its rough edges, you can see it holding together as the machinery holds it by one corner-- it's not being scooped up in a bucket. It's sparking and flaming, that's not the same as melting (leaving aside the issue of whatever might be coating the surface that could be melting at much lower temperatures).
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If I can't get a scientist to see these things and couple them logically with all the other bits of evidence refuting the official story of that day, I'd say there's nothing else I could say here to convince anyone.
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That's simply not true. What you're failing to appreciate is that not all evidence is equally credible.
Submitted by DavyJones (user info) at 2006-03-31 13:45:52 EST (#)
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I'm all for Razor and the real writers taking back Uber... but man, watching ETS continue his trip away from sanity is amusing in the mean time.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-31 11:43:01 EST (#)
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because it's bullshit.
Submitted by Bizdorph (user info) at 2006-03-31 11:06:54 EST (#)
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How is this -0.39?
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-31 09:41:20 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2006-03-31 08:45:22 EST (#)
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And I'll put my fist through your fucking jaw, and rip your sinus cavity out of your head. Yea....you like that you smug little fuck?
I'd fucking kill you, you snot-nosed little punk. Don't you ever forget it.
You have no idea how serious I can be.
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I was bored as shit of flicking through all your bollocks, but this really made me laugh.
Video the fight, put it onto Google video and then we can start something about how it's all a conspiracy and you were really too busy trying to pull your knob out of your computer to have a fight.
That'd be great.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-31 08:36:04 EST (#)
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*missed
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-31 08:35:48 EST (#)
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I miss another ETS temper tantrum :-/
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-31 08:17:09 EST (#)
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Hey ETS, aren't you going to kill me too? Come on over to Toledo, tough guy. When I see some crazy-eyed psychopath who looks like Jesus weilding a knife, I'll know it's you.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-31 05:36:29 EST (#)
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That goes for you too, Greening, you fucking faggot. Closet case motherfucker. You need to die.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-31 05:34:47 EST (#)
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By the way, Mr. Tyler.... I just thought you should know.... I know where you live now and we'll be seeing each other very fucking soon.
And I'll put my fist through your fucking jaw, and rip your sinus cavity out of your head. Yea....you like that you smug little fuck?
I'd fucking kill you, you snot-nosed little punk. Don't you ever forget it.
You have no idea how serious I can be.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-31 05:31:11 EST (#)
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Eric
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-31 05:26:02 EST (#)
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Little fucking boy.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-31 05:25:20 EST (#)
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Go find your 'coolness' people.
Aren't you so fucking cool.
I'd fucking kill every one of you if you were in front of me right now. Especially Wardy. Wardy's curly head is first on the list.
I'd like to see your fucking brainssssss on my fingerssssssss, Wardy.
One day....
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-30 23:04:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-30 22:31:39 (#)
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I'm emailing Mr. Dobbs now to ask him why he's buying into this crap and urge him to do more to expose the psychological warfare that is ruining the moral fabric of our society.
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Here's how that went down:
**ETS types furiously for an hour...sends e-mail to CNN...office help receives e-mail...reads two lines...sees that it's insane reamblings written by a lunatic...presses delete key...mentions to coworker that some people have waaaay too much time on their hands**
Congratulations on wasting more time with your lunacy.
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-30 23:01:49 EST (#)
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Charlie Sheen must read Uber, because he just had an interview where he said that 9/11 was a conspiracy also.
Fucking celebrities, like anyone cares.
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-30 22:31:39 EST (#)
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I'm emailing Mr. Dobbs now to ask him why he's buying into this crap and urge him to do more to expose the psychological warfare that is ruining the moral fabric of our society.
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Here's how that went down:
**ETS types furiously for an hour...sends e-mail to CNN...office help receives e-mail...reads two lines...sees that it's insane reamblings written by a lunatic...presses delete key...mentions to coworker that some people have waaaay too much time on their hands**
Congratulations on wasting more time with your lunacy.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-30 22:13:11 EST (#)
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Please Wardy.
Please stop.
He only feels self important when someone argues with him.
If you leave him alone, he'll start on another post of nonsense, thereby taking him out of circulation for a few hours...
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-30 22:06:14 EST (#)
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i'd rather not. that's what i've got you for, remember? and last i checked, my rights are still in tact, thank ya very much...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:34:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:30:03 (#)
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so who are we supposed to get our news from, oh great free thinker?
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SEARCH FOR IT. Don't be a lazy fuckhead, and seek out your news for ALL SIDES of the story. Don't just visit CNN and think that's the end of the fucking story.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:33:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jesus_Loves_TwEE (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:22:34 (#)
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Americas boarders are left wide open and a fraction of the cargo that is shipped into it is checked, if Americas "enemies" want to nuke America, its not going to be the bullshit war on terror thats going to stop them.
how to spot a terroist
A training manual for Virginia state employees on how to spot a terroist
The people they list as potential terroists?
those who
"are in any anti-government and militia movements;
are property-rights activists;
are in any racist, separatist and hate groups;
are an environmental and animal rights activist;
are a religious extremist;
[or] are in a street gang."
It also declares that "video cameras, binoculars, sketch pads, and notebooks" are all possible "terrorist tools."
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=10351
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Sounds to me like they're more interested in limiting our first and fourth amendment rights to petition our government for grievances and our right of free speech than they are interested in stopping terrorism.
When are we gonna learn that WE CREATE TERRORISM with our actions?
Goodwill abroad, NOT WAR, is the only way to effectively limit terrorism. This Bush Doctrine of preemptive war is akin to Naziism, plain and simple.
The cold war ended and the companies that manufacture military equipment needed an enemy. 'Terrorism' offers a renewable source of fear necessary to wage war indefinitely without Americans saying a fucking word about it.
That's all this is about.... MONEY.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:30:03 EST (#)
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so who are we supposed to get our news from, oh great free thinker?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:28:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:07:19 (#)
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did you ever think there's a possiblity we SHOULD be afraid of countries that are getting nukes if their leaders have said they plan on USING them on our allies?
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Perfect example of misinformation. Iran has stated repeatedly that its nuclear program is for civilian purposes, which is a far cry from saying "we're developing nuclear bombs to use against Israel".
Fuck Israel. Let them fend for themselves. Bring our troops home and let's focus on the problems HERE.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:26:05 EST (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv/
I urge the rest of you to send them your letters of disapproval and to boycott all cable news networks until they right their ship and start giving us the information we need to make informed decisions about our government and issues which effect our way of life.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:24:12 EST (#)
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Sent to CNN:
This comment is for Lou Dobbs and the rest of the CNN staff, including editors and writers.
I'm sick of you buying into the phychological warfare tactics that the leaders of our country are clearly perpetrating on the American people.
This whole idea of a "global war on terror" is specifically designed to keep people afraid and keep people voting on the basis of paranoia. I expect more from a news organization such as yours than to constantly support these fallacious ideas to average Americans like myself.
With the proliferation of the internet, your ways of bringing the news are dying, and unless you change your ways to stay ahead of the curve, and start asking the right questions, I envision a time when you will be out of business because of your softness.
For instance: why aren't you urging our leaders to reopen the obviously flawed 9/11 investigation? Why aren't you creating exposes on the worldwide crisis of our climate? Why are you continually hopping from one political ruse to another, while forgetting and in some cases ignoring the real problems which face our society, namely the erosion of our rights in the name of security?
As one middle American, I am thoroughly disappointed in your organization and I know from first hand experience that more and more Americans are waking up to the fact that cable news networks are nothing more than another tool of a swelling and morally-depreciating state.
With the spread of broadband internet, more and more people are going to be moving away from getting their news from television, particularly when you're being viewed as dropping the ball in nearly every instance of late.
I applaud your exposure of our government's botched Katrina effort, I applaud any coverage of the two falsely-perpetrated wars we have in progress right now, but I and a growing number of people like me are thoroughly disappointed that you seem to be content with following the news wherever our government leads you, instead of doing your real job, which is to act as a source of transparent information to the general public.
For instance, you seem quite content to cover the Iranian nuclear debate, but you are unwilling to cover such important components of Iranian relations such as its oil boarse and it's threat on dollar dominance.
I just want you to know that the minute you keep dropping the ball on components of the real story, your lose viewers...viewers like me and the people I talk to about these issues every day.
Submitted by Jesus_Loves_TwEE (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:22:34 EST (#)
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Americas boarders are left wide open and a fraction of the cargo that is shipped into it is checked, if Americas "enemies" want to nuke America, its not going to be the bullshit war on terror thats going to stop them.
how to spot a terroist
A training manual for Virginia state employees on how to spot a terroist
The people they list as potential terroists?
those who
"are in any anti-government and militia movements;
are property-rights activists;
are in any racist, separatist and hate groups;
are an environmental and animal rights activist;
are a religious extremist;
[or] are in a street gang."
It also declares that "video cameras, binoculars, sketch pads, and notebooks" are all possible "terrorist tools."
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=10351
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:07:19 EST (#)
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did you ever think there's a possiblity we SHOULD be afraid of countries that are getting nukes if their leaders have said they plan on USING them on our allies?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 20:04:36 EST (#)
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Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-30 19:49:55 (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/30/dobbs.cancun/index.html <-------- is this a member of your corrupt media? i bet they're gonna black bag him for sure...
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How ironic...
As a matter of fact, I was just in the process of reading that very same article. Mr. Dobbs' opinions are usually very in line with my own, however, in this article he is buying into the same "global war on terror" megalomania being pushed on us by our leaders as a means of keeping us paranoid and keep us voting on the basis of fear.
I'm emailing Mr. Dobbs now to ask him why he's buying into this crap and urge him to do more to expose the psychological warfare that is ruining the moral fabric of our society.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-30 19:56:00 EST (#)
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ets, how is that baby steps to justice? how does that help what you propose? the courts ruled in favor of letting some tapes be made public, what's your point? the government had the interest of the victims and their families in mind, dumbass.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-30 19:49:55 EST (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/30/dobbs.cancun/index.html <-------- is this a member of your corrupt media? i bet they're gonna black bag him for sure...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 19:47:41 EST (#)
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Submitted by Jesus_Loves_TwEE (user info) at 2006-03-30 19:39:47 (#)
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Theres a $1 million reward for proof that the trade towers' steel structure was broken apart WITHOUT explosives ...... http://reopen911.org/Contest.htm
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That's one prize that will never be claimed.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 19:46:01 EST (#)
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/30/attacks.911.calls.ap.ap/index.html
Baby steps to justice...
Still not enough.
Submitted by Jesus_Loves_TwEE (user info) at 2006-03-30 19:39:47 EST (#)
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Theres a $1 million reward for proof that the trade towers' steel structure was broken apart WITHOUT explosives ...... http://reopen911.org/Contest.htm
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 16:43:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-30 12:44:22 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-30 09:37:40 (#)
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Indo:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html
I've had enough on these 9/11 posts. What's needed to be said has been said and people have picked their sides... I'm not commenting on these anymore.
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Thanks for the link, that is impressive.
But it takes into account no impact damage or stress that a 747 flying full speed into a building would cause.
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Which doesn't matter a lick when you're looking at building 7.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2006-03-30 13:04:06 EST (#)
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Dont you have anything better to be doing with your life? Get a girlfriend. Buy a fucking dog and take it for a walk.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-30 12:58:56 EST (#)
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If I can't get a scientist to see these things and couple them logically with all the other bits of evidence refuting the official story of that day, I'd say there's nothing else I could say here to convince anyone. """
Why would you want to convince anyone?
Why not just share the information and let people make up their own mind?
Do you think you are fit to decide for others, huh?
Do you think people are too stupid and that they need you to lead them?
If you think so (and you probably do), have you not realized by now that despite your self-acclaimed superiority, you have ZERO charisma, zero credibility and a stinking personality? That your efforts to cram your opinions down people's throats only contributes to further marginalize your ideas, which apparently are the Truth.
You talk big. You tell people they should wake up. That it's time for Revolution.
How about you start by sacrificing your fucking ego for the cause? Everytime you get into an argument you only dissuade people to believe you. It's having the reverse effects so what's the use?
Paste links all you want but please stfu because you are clearly way too emotionally stable to induce any kind of reflexion.
Veuillez obéir à ma demande dans les plus brefs délais!
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-30 12:44:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-30 09:37:40 (#)
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Indo:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html
I've had enough on these 9/11 posts. What's needed to be said has been said and people have picked their sides... I'm not commenting on these anymore.
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Thanks for the link, that is impressive.
But it takes into account no impact damage or stress that a 747 flying full speed into a building would cause.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-30 12:24:22 EST (#)
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If I were to rebel, I'd pick a very blue, and very pissed-off state and push for seccession from federal government powers. Domino effect. """
The U.S. constitution doesn't allow seccession, which is why Vermont (a close example) seperatist party will always be marginal.
Why do you think they had a war over secession...to free niggers?
Australians are silly.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-30 09:37:40 EST (#)
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Indo:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html
I've had enough on these 9/11 posts. What's needed to be said has been said and people have picked their sides... I'm not commenting on these anymore.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-30 09:31:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 00:31:51 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 21:52:53 (#)
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Did you look at the link I posted? ( http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html )
The fire wasn't small. Almost the entire side was billowing out smoke, and no it wasn't dust from thetowers. If the outside was made of anything remotely flammable it would have been engulfed. Those buildings are made to fall inwards if everything goes to shit.
Unprecedentedly? Find me a case where a building of similiar size and "modern" safety design has been subjected to a similiar fire? Been subjected to a similiar fire without firemen to fight it and stood?
If there were explosives, how did they keep them from going off sooner? If it was thermite and the fire wasn't hot enough to set it off, the fire still would have been hot enough to melt any of the trigger devices, and if you look at the picture you will know that the fire covered a lot of the building.
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I'm not going to go over this yet again. You can look at my many reviews on this and DCWoody's post.
There are other modern highrise buildings that have burned and NOT ONE has ever collapsed becaue of fire. Not one.
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Find me a modern high rise that had a fire as extensive as this one.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-30 09:17:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 19:34:33 (#)
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Anyway, the point is Can you believe that WTC7 was knocked down naturally? Does anyone here really believe that that building fell down naturally? I, personally, believe in the conspiracy and I can tell you that even I am skeptic of much of the evidence about the 2 towers being laden with explosives, but not about B7...
A call to all here who refute ETS: WHO BELIEVES B7 fell down naturally? Who believes that a fire (that wasn't even that bad) unprecedentedly knocks down a building that size? Who here believes that a building will fall like that because of (by almost definition) random, chaotic fire?
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85978#1908829
Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-03-30 09:04:29 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 19:34:33 (#)
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Anyway, the point is Can you believe that WTC7 was knocked down naturally? Does anyone here really believe that that building fell down naturally? I, personally, believe in the conspiracy and I can tell you that even I am skeptic of much of the evidence about the 2 towers being laden with explosives, but not about B7...
A call to all here who refute ETS: WHO BELIEVES B7 fell down naturally? Who believes that a fire (that wasn't even that bad) unprecedentedly knocks down a building that size? Who here believes that a building will fall like that because of (by almost definition) random, chaotic fire?
And don't forget the structural stress that 2 giant fucking towers collapsing would put on all buildings in the area....
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-30 08:50:12 EST (#)
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"I, for one, demand a fully release of all 9/11 documentation to the public."
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Pffffft. Why not just "demand" the release of all UFO documentation and the truth behind all covert ops into other countries?
Stop being naïve.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-30 06:24:04 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 00:40:52 (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 22:19:31 (#)
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ETS, watch south park tonight, it's about hybrid cars
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Brilliant as usual.
I think the smug cloud in San Francisco is caused by Jack McCallum.
In all seriousness, the problem with people is that they can't just make their own decisions about how they treat their planet independent of what some other asshole is doing.
Our cars don't define who we are. I can drive a hybrid and still go shoot Bambi, and be a perfectly happy, red-blooded American. Look, as long as there are black people and and long as there are idiots in the world like Carlos Mencia, the prototypical W.A.S.P. in America will always have a reason to feel smug, regardless of what he drives. And now that his beloved GM has moved its operations out of America, the Natty-Light-drinkin' grease-heads will be able to buy a Toyota without feeling like he's betrayin' the red, white, and blue...
Now if I can only get them to turn their muskets against their own government, we'll be in business. Well, that, or in flames. But nothing that was ever won was done so without killin' a few innocent kids along the way.
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Forget rebellion against the government... To organise and lead a ntional force against the government armies would be impossible. Getting states to declare independence from the government is where it's at.
If I were to rebel, I'd pick a very blue, and very pissed-off state and push for seccession from federal government powers. Domino effect.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 00:40:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 22:19:31 (#)
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ETS, watch south park tonight, it's about hybrid cars
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Brilliant as usual.
I think the smug cloud in San Francisco is caused by Jack McCallum.
In all seriousness, the problem with people is that they can't just make their own decisions about how they treat their planet independent of what some other asshole is doing.
Our cars don't define who we are. I can drive a hybrid and still go shoot Bambi, and be a perfectly happy, red-blooded American. Look, as long as there are black people and and long as there are idiots in the world like Carlos Mencia, the prototypical W.A.S.P. in America will always have a reason to feel smug, regardless of what he drives. And now that his beloved GM has moved its operations out of America, the Natty-Light-drinkin' grease-heads will be able to buy a Toyota without feeling like he's betrayin' the red, white, and blue...
Now if I can only get them to turn their muskets against their own government, we'll be in business. Well, that, or in flames. But nothing that was ever won was done so without killin' a few innocent kids along the way.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-30 00:31:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 21:52:53 (#)
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Did you look at the link I posted? ( http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html )
The fire wasn't small. Almost the entire side was billowing out smoke, and no it wasn't dust from thetowers. If the outside was made of anything remotely flammable it would have been engulfed. Those buildings are made to fall inwards if everything goes to shit.
Unprecedentedly? Find me a case where a building of similiar size and "modern" safety design has been subjected to a similiar fire? Been subjected to a similiar fire without firemen to fight it and stood?
If there were explosives, how did they keep them from going off sooner? If it was thermite and the fire wasn't hot enough to set it off, the fire still would have been hot enough to melt any of the trigger devices, and if you look at the picture you will know that the fire covered a lot of the building.
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I'm not going to go over this yet again. You can look at my many reviews on this and DCWoody's post.
There are other modern highrise buildings that have burned and NOT ONE has ever collapsed becaue of fire. Not one.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 22:19:31 EST (#)
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ETS, watch south park tonight, it's about hybrid cars
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 21:59:47 EST (#)
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have you read the 9/11 report?
http://www.9-11commission.gov/
maybe it has answers for what you're looking for. But if you still don't believe it, I guess no amount of evidence will sway your opinion.
I respect the way you stick to your guns, but
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 21:52:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 19:34:33 (#)
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Anyway, the point is Can you believe that WTC7 was knocked down naturally? Does anyone here really believe that that building fell down naturally? I, personally, believe in the conspiracy and I can tell you that even I am skeptic of much of the evidence about the 2 towers being laden with explosives, but not about B7...
A call to all here who refute ETS: WHO BELIEVES B7 fell down naturally? Who believes that a fire (that wasn't even that bad) unprecedentedly knocks down a building that size? Who here believes that a building will fall like that because of (by almost definition) random, chaotic fire?
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Did you look at the link I posted? ( http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html )
The fire wasn't small. Almost the entire side was billowing out smoke, and no it wasn't dust from thetowers. If the outside was made of anything remotely flammable it would have been engulfed. Those buildings are made to fall inwards if everything goes to shit.
Unprecedentedly? Find me a case where a building of similiar size and "modern" safety design has been subjected to a similiar fire? Been subjected to a similiar fire without firemen to fight it and stood?
If there were explosives, how did they keep them from going off sooner? If it was thermite and the fire wasn't hot enough to set it off, the fire still would have been hot enough to melt any of the trigger devices, and if you look at the picture you will know that the fire covered a lot of the building.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2006-03-29 21:46:23 EST (#)
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SUCCESS!
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 21:32:05 EST (#)
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I think what you're seeing are sparks(if you are referring to the pic that you linked to earlier). I had to look at it again to make sure of what I was seeing, but it was definately sparks. When stel reaches a cherry red stage like that, it doesn't take much for it to shoot sparks off.
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Sparks woud be white hot, not red hot. Look at the material around the very bottom of the material...see it globbing off like magma? http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/hotSlag.jpg
That's what I see. Unfortunately....GUESS WHAT! We don't have other photographs except for the aerials I linked to earlier because...oops....the government wouldn't let anyone with an unsanctioned camera near ground zero, and they won't release the evidence they DO have to the public...
WHY?
WHY!
WHY WHY WHY!?!?!?
You don't keep the evidence to the largest attack in US history - the selfsame attack that was used as the basis for TWO foreign wars secret. You just don't do it. I don't care if you ARE the fucking government, you are NOT God. These people work for US, not the other way around, and I, for one, demand a fully release of all 9/11 documentation to the public.
If there is something there to refute the things I'm accusing my government of, it should be in their best interest to release it, otherwise, I have no problem asserting that these officials should be publicly hanged for treason.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 20:52:37 EST (#)
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Caul:
"There are a few hundreds of them compared to an insurgency that numbers in tens of thousands. It's not only an inaccuracy, it kinda invalidates your point that it's the foreign fighters that are making the Iraq war look bad.
And the reason they're there is not all that simple. Not as much as you are anyway.
Et Tu Retarded all of a sudden?"
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Yeah, I had a bit of a brain fart. I didn't have time for lunch today and was suffering from that a bit. Other than that, I made a classic ETS mistake by not really researching something and writing down something I had heard.
Puts gun to head...wait one more thing
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ETS:
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 20:24:15 (#)
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I can't even get Coyote to admit B7 was fishy, and he's a physicist, Williamson. He insists the fires were raging due to a 1200 gallon tank of fuel (which by the way should have exploded like Hiroshima, leaving a huge ball of fire coming out the building on live TV at some point).
I'm not buying any of that shit. I look at a picture of molten steel that's DRIPPING...VISIBLY DRIPPING...off the clean up crew's back hoe, and he doesn't see anything but a material that has retained its shape after 6 weeks, regardless of the laws of entropy.
If I can't get a scientist to see these things and couple them logically with all the other bits of evidence refuting the official story of that day, I'd say there's nothing else I could say here to convince anyone.
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I think what you're seeing are sparks(if you are referring to the pic that you linked to earlier). I had to look at it again to make sure of what I was seeing, but it was definately sparks. When stel reaches a cherry red stage like that, it doesn't take much for it to shoot sparks off.
Even if it were molten steel, the fact that it was buried under tons of pressure could elevate the temperature inside the rubble pile to exceed that required for melting(2700F)
The generator tank wouldn't have exploded, large generators like that run on diesel fuel. Diesel is cruder than gasoline(don't mistake diesel for kerosene) and needs either pressure or a hot fire to ignite. It's not going to explode like gasoline would. I've seen guys throw their lit cigarettes into cans of diesel before with no result other than a soggy cigarette.
ps are you Nobb's alter, or was that another result of no lunch?
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And now Caul, I do the honorable thing...pulls trigger, falls to floor lifeless.
Submitted by FallenZer0 (user info) at 2006-03-29 20:48:27 EST (#)
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you're brilliant
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 20:24:15 EST (#)
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I can't even get Coyote to admit B7 was fishy, and he's a physicist, Williamson. He insists the fires were raging due to a 1200 gallon tank of fuel (which by the way should have exploded like Hiroshima, leaving a huge ball of fire coming out the building on live TV at some point).
I'm not buying any of that shit. I look at a picture of molten steel that's DRIPPING...VISIBLY DRIPPING...off the clean up crew's back hoe, and he doesn't see anything but a material that has retained its shape after 6 weeks, regardless of the laws of entropy.
If I can't get a scientist to see these things and couple them logically with all the other bits of evidence refuting the official story of that day, I'd say there's nothing else I could say here to convince anyone.
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I accidentally stumbled onto this while fucking around on the web and thought it was worth mentioning here.
«Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1.5 tons.»
Popular Mechanics, March 1949.
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What does that prove, beyond the fact that they were right? Now, a mere child like yourself wouldn't know it, but it did reach the point where computers had around 1000 vacuum tubes and only weighed 3000 pounds (after 1949 but well before you were born). Just because a statement looks ridiculous NOW based on current computers doesn't mean it was never true. But who could possibly expect a child to be bothered with facts?
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When someone makes a prediction they predict how great it will eventually become at it's hayday. If I predicted in 1905 that a plane could one day fly to 50 miles I would technically be correct by your logic but we all know that I was amazingly below what the real answer should be (which is how far planes will eventually fly). I'm arguing the implication and inference of what was said, your arguing a technicality.
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So....you fault Popular Mechanics for not predicting the invention of the silicon chip? Gee, I bet they had a hard time predicting the hybrid car in the 40's too. OMG THEY ARE A TOOL OF THE GOVERNMENT AND THE OIL COMPANTIES!!!!
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Dude, you seem to cut out the part where I say I don't care.
Y'know what, I'll just admit that I was wrong on this one because it really is of very little to no fucking importance and you can all go back to discussing the important issues this post raises, instead of my little 20-second (I found this on a website accidentally as i was bored and thought "hey this might be of some interest" so I posted it without giving any opinion or slant or commentary to it whatsoever.
Please don't edit this out: Who fucking cares? It can be taken both ways and for the sake of just getting on with ETS's post we will say that your interpretation is 100% correct, ok?
Anyway, the point is Can you believe that WTC7 was knocked down naturally? Does anyone here really believe that that building fell down naturally? I, personally, believe in the conspiracy and I can tell you that even I am skeptic of much of the evidence about the 2 towers being laden with explosives, but not about B7...
A call to all here who refute ETS: WHO BELIEVES B7 fell down naturally? Who believes that a fire (that wasn't even that bad) unprecedentedly knocks down a building that size? Who here believes that a building will fall like that because of (by almost definition) random, chaotic fire?
If one can see that the B7 knocked down by explosives arguement has merit then you know that there was prior-knowledge. It certainly couldn't be terrorists (this building had HQ for both CIA and FBI in there) and this kind of demolition takes weeks to prepare and ages to set-up (even if the building WASN'T on fire).
So if there are demolition charges in B7 then there was at least prior-knowledge and some conspiracy by the government (it had to be, because the building had both CIA and FBI) to knock that building down.
So: Who Here believes B7 fell naturally?! That is the all-important question.
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 15:48:51 (#)
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I love repeating the title of this post in my head, it's fun: débonké les débonkeurs!!
Je débonke, tu débonkes, il débonke, nous débonkons...
débokement, débonkerie, débonkitude?
DÉBONKAAAAAAAAAAAGE! BONKBONKBONK!!!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONK """
i'd let Caul suck me off.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 19:08:11 EST (#)
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Hey ETS, I listened to another video by your new idol Alex Jones while I worked.
It starts with Skulls and Bones and ends up with Arnold being the leader of the Fourth Reich.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=900774479973635352&q=rise+of+police+state&pl=true
I don't know how you can trust someone who jumps from one theory to another with very little backup.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 19:02:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 18:24:20 (#)
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Et Tu Caulain?
I may have been inacurate about the "vast majority" part. But there are still a lot of foreigners there trying to sway people's opinions and helping in the insurgency.
The reason they're there is simple. They hate the "West" and will do anything to stop anything we do.
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There are a few hundreds of them compared to an insurgency that numbers in tens of thousands. It's not only an inaccuracy, it kinda invalidates your point that it's the foreign fighters that are making the Iraq war look bad.
And the reason they're there is not all that simple. Not as much as you are anyway.
Et Tu Retarded all of a sudden?
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I accidentally stumbled onto this while fucking around on the web and thought it was worth mentioning here.
«Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1.5 tons.»
Popular Mechanics, March 1949.
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Are you fucking dumb? Its science, it is constantly evolving. I don't even see the point of posting that.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 18:27:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-03-29 18:23:32 (#)
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you all DO know he is doing these posts for heat/hits don't you?
I actually grudgingly admire these, I may have to hand him the 'undisputed master of heat' title I have.
I'm too busy working nowadays.
:-(
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I think he even created an alter to help him out. This guy's posts have never been reviewed by ETS, and shares the same theories that ETS does. Coincidence? Maybe...
http://www.ubersite.com/cgi-bin/message_get.cgi?user_id=934
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 18:24:20 EST (#)
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Et Tu Caulain?
I may have been inacurate about the "vast majority" part. But there are still a lot of foreigners there trying to sway people's opinions and helping in the insurgency.
The reason they're there is simple. They hate the "West" and will do anything to stop anything we do.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-03-29 18:23:32 EST (#)
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you all DO know he is doing these posts for heat/hits don't you?
I actually grudgingly admire these, I may have to hand him the 'undisputed master of heat' title I have.
I'm too busy working nowadays.
:-(
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 18:06:58 EST (#)
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And as far as those insurgents, the vast majority of them are not Iraqis, they're terrorists from Saudi Arabia and Syria, that came in to cause trouble so that people would form a bad opinion about it...LIKE YOU. """
Funny, your own military estimated the exact contrary quite a few times. That the number of foreign fighters was loose change compared to the number of native insurgents.
I can't leaf through all the news links coming out of Iraq but it was a little more than a year ago.
Besides, it makes no sense that the insurgency would be comprised of more foreigners than natives.
Your arguments are very 2003.
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2006-03-29 17:52:21 EST (#)
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Are you sure when he said he was going to have to pull it he wasn't talking about masturbation?
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-03-29 17:41:02 EST (#)
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And don't make loaded statements like that. Our troops are not going after innocent civilians. The insurgents are the ones blowing up civilian targets.
And as far as those insurgents, the vast majority of them are not Iraqis, they're terrorists from Saudi Arabia and Syria, that came in to cause trouble so that people would form a bad opinion about it...LIKE YOU.
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godam furriners
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-29 17:29:17 EST (#)
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All this shit makes my head hurt...
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-03-29 17:14:52 EST (#)
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Heh.. did you notice the date on that article? It's almost 9 months old. How bout a something a little more recent (Nov17/05):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111602519.html
An excerpt:
"Top U.S. military officials here have long emphasized the influence of groups such as al Qaeda in Iraq, an insurgent network led by a Jordanian, Abu Musab Zarqawi. But analysts say the focus on foreign elements is also an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the insurgency in the eyes of Iraqis, by portraying it as terrorism foisted on the country by outsiders.
"Both Iraqis and coalition people often exaggerate the role of foreign infiltrators and downplay the role of Iraqi resentment in the insurgency," said Anthony H. Cordesman, a former Pentagon official now at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, who is writing a book about the Iraqi insurgency.
"It makes the government's counterinsurgency efforts seem more legitimate, and it links what's going on in Iraq to the war on terrorism," he continued. "When people go out into battle, they often characterize enemies in the most negative way possible. Obviously there are all kinds of interacting political prejudices they can bring out by blaming outsiders."
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Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-03-29 16:22:39 (#)
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Are you for fuckin real?
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Yup, and so is this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8293410/
read the reasons why they're going over there.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-03-29 16:29:34 EST (#)
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hey ets quit bitching and start a revolution.
sweet lord leave your computer and start making a difference.
speak less, listen more.
live peace and understanding.
you must have one giant fucking ulcer, btw.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-29 16:27:07 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85978#1907506 -- sorry friend, i've been in class all day so i haven't been able to talk science with you. i really enjoyed the long reviews by coyote that pretty much said what countless others and i have been trying to tell you. i haven't read a response of yours to coyote yet, but i'm really excited to see what you can pull next. keep in mind, we've all read the conspiracy sites, so try and give us something new and original.
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-03-29 16:22:39 EST (#)
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Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 14:55:30 (#)
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You talk about peace and love and understanding? Tell that to the 30,000 innocent civilians of Iraq that have been killed so far in our little war for oil, which, lest you forget, was justified on the back of 9/11.
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Where's that oil you talk about?
And don't make loaded statements like that. Our troops are not going after innocent civilians. The insurgents are the ones blowing up civilian targets.
And as far as those insurgents, the vast majority of them are not Iraqis, they're terrorists from Saudi Arabia and Syria, that came in to cause trouble so that people would form a bad opinion about it...LIKE YOU.
Keep up the good work terrorist pawn.
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Are you for fuckin real? Dude I agree about the troops not going after innocent civilians and all that.
Your comment about the insurgents being mostly non-Iraqi is categorically bullshit though. Face the facts - you can't have democracy shoved down your throats, especially when terms and conditions are put on the type of democracy your allowed to have (ie. no fundamnental/radical Islamic party as the majority wishes).
Combine that with the deep-seated hatred and divisions between different sects/ethnicities within the country and you have a really bad fuckin situation. Various groups have been labelled insurgents but really it's a rebellion against occupation combined with (probably) the beginnings of civil war.
I am not taking sides with them, I think both sides are fucked in the head. That doesn't make me (or ETS - I can't believe I am siding with him on this :) a terrorist pawn.
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Quit stressing yourself out and getting so riled up over any little thing. You're going to end up having a seizure or giving yourself a heart attack or something. """
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And that would be a bad thing?
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You know, you're right.
ETS, forget what I said. Carry on with this madness.
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-29 16:22:09 EST (#)
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I see this, and I keep thinking of Donkey, and wondering why he left us all...
*sob*
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 16:19:18 EST (#)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-554962241935608622&q=rise+of+police+state&pl=true
wow ETS! this is the guy you believe!
I LOVE THE LITTLE EERIE MUSIC!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-03-29 16:09:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 15:48:51 (#)
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I love repeating the title of this post in my head, it's fun: débonké les débonkeurs!!
Je débonke, tu débonkes, il débonke, nous débonkons...
débokement, débonkerie, débonkitude?
DÉBONKAAAAAAAAAAAGE! BONKBONKBONK!!!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONK
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hahaha the little accent marks are the funniest part
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 15:57:07 EST (#)
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i learned that word today :-D
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 15:48:51 (#)
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I love repeating the title of this post in my head, it's fun: débonké les débonkeurs!!
Je débonke, tu débonkes, il débonke, nous débonkons...
débokement, débonkerie, débonkitude?
DÉBONKAAAAAAAAAAAGE! BONKBONKBONK!!!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONK
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I laughed.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 15:48:51 EST (#)
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I love repeating the title of this post in my head, it's fun: débonké les débonkeurs!!
Je débonke, tu débonkes, il débonke, nous débonkons...
débokement, débonkerie, débonkitude?
DÉBONKAAAAAAAAAAAGE! BONKBONKBONK!!!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONKDÉBONK
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Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-03-29 15:13:46 (#)
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Quit stressing yourself out and getting so riled up over any little thing. You're going to end up having a seizure or giving yourself a heart attack or something. """
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And that would be a bad thing?
Submitted by BadAssJulie (user info) at 2006-03-29 15:13:46 EST (#)
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You've got waaaaaay too much time on your hands. Seriously dude, do you ever step away from the computer other than when you're asleep? Go outside, get some fresh air and sunshine, and try talking to a few people without using a keyboard. It'll be good for you.
Also, calm the fuck down. Quit stressing yourself out and getting so riled up over any little thing. You're going to end up having a seizure or giving yourself a heart attack or something.
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 14:55:30 EST (#)
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You talk about peace and love and understanding? Tell that to the 30,000 innocent civilians of Iraq that have been killed so far in our little war for oil, which, lest you forget, was justified on the back of 9/11.
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Where's that oil you talk about?
And don't make loaded statements like that. Our troops are not going after innocent civilians. The insurgents are the ones blowing up civilian targets.
And as far as those insurgents, the vast majority of them are not Iraqis, they're terrorists from Saudi Arabia and Syria, that came in to cause trouble so that people would form a bad opinion about it...LIKE YOU.
Keep up the good work terrorist pawn.
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-29 14:49:39 EST (#)
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TO ANYONE WHO HAS AN OPINION THAT DIFFERS FROM MINE I SAY:
WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 14:46:48 EST (#)
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Wake the fuck up, woman. You're living in Germany in 1938."""
EXTRAPOLATING AGAIN, ARE WE?!
Submitted by jgreening (user info) at 2006-03-29 14:42:17 EST (#)
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I believe the term I'm looking for is this:
GET BACK ON YOUR GOD DAMN MEDS YOU STUPID HIPPIE FUCK.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 14:33:01 EST (#)
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Submitted by StewCrew (user info) at 2006-03-29 12:40:57 (#)
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I watched that video on google for about 10 minutes before I realized that it was horseshit. There are no cited works or references to back up the guys facts. This asshole doesn't know the physics of how a buildding would fall after being smashed by an airplane. I like a conspiracy as much as the next guy, but you've got to get some real facts first.
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Which video did you watch?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 14:30:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-03-29 12:15:08 (#)
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does it even fucking matter than thousands of people died that day? pregnant women, fathers, sons and children.
let's forget about the conspiracy for a fucking moment and connect to the fact that people died a tortuous death on that day.
how about living peace, love and understanding instead of conspiracy?
why do people live trapped in history? why can't we live each moment to the highest accord? just start with one present moment.
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Because those that don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it. This is 4 scant years ago. This isn't ancient Rome we're talking about here. The people that did this to us are still in power, still lying to you every single fucking day.
You talk about peace and love and understanding? Tell that to the 30,000 innocent civilians of Iraq that have been killed so far in our little war for oil, which, lest you forget, was justified on the back of 9/11.
Peace is never going to be possible when regimes are in power like the one we have now.
Wake the fuck up, woman. You're living in Germany in 1938.
If you do nothing else, people, please vote this November, and make it count.
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I accidentally stumbled onto this while fucking around on the web and thought it was worth mentioning here.
«Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1.5 tons.»
Popular Mechanics, March 1949.
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What does that prove, beyond the fact that they were right? Now, a mere child like yourself wouldn't know it, but it did reach the point where computers had around 1000 vacuum tubes and only weighed 3000 pounds (after 1949 but well before you were born). Just because a statement looks ridiculous NOW based on current computers doesn't mean it was never true. But who could possibly expect a child to be bothered with facts?
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When someone makes a prediction they predict how great it will eventually become at it's hayday. If I predicted in 1905 that a plane could one day fly to 50 miles I would technically be correct by your logic but we all know that I was amazingly below what the real answer should be (which is how far planes will eventually fly). I'm arguing the implication and inference of what was said, your arguing a technicality.
So....you fault Popular Mechanics for not predicting the invention of the silicon chip? Gee, I bet they had a hard time predicting the hybrid car in the 40's too. OMG THEY ARE A TOOL OF THE GOVERNMENT AND THE OIL COMPANTIES!!!!
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Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:07:08 (#)
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Maybe he's just sick of your shit. I know I am.
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Then why don't you go dive to the bottom of a bottle and sell your soul to Uncle Sam again you weak fuck.
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HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Let's think about this. I've been to Eurpoe, the middle east, and the far east, and I've experienced things in the real world thanks to my time in. What have you EVER done in your life other than sit around Indiana with your thumb up your ass watching conspiracy videos on the internet and e-mailing death threats to a member of congress?
And what did I get in return for my five years in the military? Other than a secret security clearance, life experiences most people don't have, a passport stamped in six different countries, a wicked bullet point on my resume, and a free college education, nothing.
Weak. Pfft. Get over yourself and try not to hurt yourself when you get down off that high horse, you weak-minded lunatic.
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IL EST PWNÉ!
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Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:07:08 (#)
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Maybe he's just sick of your shit. I know I am.
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Then why don't you go dive to the bottom of a bottle and sell your soul to Uncle Sam again you weak fuck.
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HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Let's think about this. I've been to Eurpoe, the middle east, and the far east, and I've experienced things in the real world thanks to my time in. What have you EVER done in your life other than sit around Indiana with your thumb up your ass watching conspiracy videos on the internet and e-mailing death threats to a member of congress?
And what did I get in return for my five years in the military? Other than a secret security clearance, life experiences most people don't have, a passport stamped in six different countries, a wicked bullet point on my resume, and a free college education, nothing.
Weak. Pfft. Get over yourself and try not to hurt yourself when you get down off that high horse, you weak-minded lunatic.
Submitted by StewCrew (user info) at 2006-03-29 12:40:57 EST (#)
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I watched that video on google for about 10 minutes before I realized that it was horseshit. There are no cited works or references to back up the guys facts. This asshole doesn't know the physics of how a buildding would fall after being smashed by an airplane. I like a conspiracy as much as the next guy, but you've got to get some real facts first.
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-03-29 12:33:36 EST (#)
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I agree in principle that the people who have control over our lives, whether they are elected or not, do not always have the peoples best interest in mind. It has always been that way and will probably always be that way.
You can either fight it, bitch about it, or do nothing. Those are pretty much your options.
ETS you seem to be in the bitch about it category.. If you really do believe so strongly in what you say and want to effect change why are you wasting so much time and effort here? This isn't exactly a receptive audience :D Even if it were what change can you bring about?
Have you thought of working with other people who believe in the same ideas as yourself? Get organized, start protests, do whatever. This might be more effective than venting here..
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 12:19:44 EST (#)
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Explosions use up all available air instantaniously, they use dynamite to stop oil well fires. The fire that occurs after the explosion is what causes melting etc.
Submitted by MistressFist (user info) at 2006-03-29 12:15:08 EST (#)
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does it even fucking matter than thousands of people died that day? pregnant women, fathers, sons and children.
let's forget about the conspiracy for a fucking moment and connect to the fact that people died a tortuous death on that day.
how about living peace, love and understanding instead of conspiracy?
why do people live trapped in history? why can't we live each moment to the highest accord? just start with one present moment.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 12:11:14 EST (#)
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thanks I guess, you're one of the few people on this site capable of intellignet debate who does so reaonably, its jus hard for a lot of people to tell cos you're insane.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 12:04:24 EST (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:55:01 (#)
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Nope. I did proove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Pure thermite to generate just heat is by definiton not an explosive.
so you agree that they weren't demolished by explosives, the difference is that you claim a heat reaction wouldn't be set off by immense heat, fire, explosions etc.
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Touche. I stand corrected.
I really appreciate your candor, dude. That's a really admirable thing. I have a whole new respect for you.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-03-29 12:03:08 EST (#)
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how many emo kids does it take to screw in a light bulb?
none, let them cry in the dark.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:55:01 EST (#)
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Nope. I did proove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Pure thermite to generate just heat is by definiton not an explosive.
so you agree that they weren't demolished by explosives, the difference is that you claim a heat reaction wouldn't be set off by immense heat, fire, explosions etc.
Submitted by Ingsoc (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:51:19 EST (#)
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Soooooooooo?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:51:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:57:53 (#)
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Williamson, many buildings of such height are designed to come stright down like that in order to prevent an almost domino effect.
Also seismic evidence prooves without a shadow of a doubt that none of the three buildings were demolished with explosives.
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You prepared to recant this "beyond a shadow of a doubt" stuff yet and admit you don't know?
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:50:20 EST (#)
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Maybe ETS is a modern day Copernicus or Galileo?
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:05:11 (#)
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You know what's funny/sad?
You came accross these videos ONLY LIKE A DAY AGO and now you're already 100% convinced that 9/11 was an inside job. You don't even weigh the pros and cons like I, or everybody, did when I saw these videos a while ago. You jumped right into it like a good little sheep and there's no way to find gray areas in your views. You just scream at the top of your lung "OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE" because you were yet again, "enlightened" by people who know how to manipulate idiots like you.
You think you're a great free thinker, but you're so fucking naïve, it's pathetic. I'm under the impression you will end up in all kind of sects.
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No Caul, I saw Williamson's video the day he posted it and that got me seriously questioning, but I didn't fully buy the whole controlled demolition thing until I saw the other videos.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:47:28 EST (#)
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you're in no position to call anyone weak, my gullible little friend
Submitted by Oxymoron (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:47:27 EST (#)
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Why would they blow up the wtc 7 so long after everything happened if it was wired days/weeks before the event.
Why would Osama Bin Laden play along with this cherade?
Who tried blowing the wtc up the first time?
Was the USS Cole bombing an inside job too?
It's sad that you think our Gov't is so fucked up that they would do something like this for oil/money. Get out of my country, you obviously don't want to be here.
You're messed up man, really messed up.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:45:56 EST (#)
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Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:07:08 (#)
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Maybe he's just sick of your shit. I know I am.
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Then why don't you go dive to the bottom of a bottle and sell your soul to Uncle Sam again you weak fuck.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:41:41 EST (#)
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Well if you look at the video you can see the flag moving in the wind.
Except there is no wind on the moon.
I don't imagine ETS will do them next though its too out of date
Submitted by renz0r (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:32:11 EST (#)
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What about the moonlandings? Seriously, were they faked as well?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:11:20 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:04:33 (#)
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Look at this site Indoninja just linked us to. This is the biggest load of CRAP I've ever seen.
Particularly, look at how they're trying to refute the Silverstein quote on PBS to pull the building... It's FUCKING SAD.
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html
Nice try Indo. Guess you don't get paid this week, huh? You're gonna have to go tell your superiors that your tactis aren't working anymore and you're gonna have to take me out, cause I got news for you...THIS AIN'T GONNA STOP. ;)
So fuck you, and fuck whoever it is you work for.
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It is fucking sad you are to delusional to understand it.
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:09:50 EST (#)
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Didn't mean to double post the review. Ooops.
Anyway, like Caul said, you're the type of person who gets recruited into a cult and winds up killing himself in a ritualistic suicide. You're that easily manipulated and zealous. Or at least you seem to be.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:09:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:50:36 (#)
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Indoninja, et al...
Williamson was obvious being sarcastic there. He knows full well that "pull it" is a demolition term, as did Silverstien when he said those words on PBS. Silverstien said in that interview that he told the fire department to "pull it", refering to WTC7.
THEN....he later denied having said that at all, and now props up the official FEMA story of 'fire' being the culprit, which stands to this very day.
I am now pretty much convinced of one thing...
Indoninja works for the government.
He admits to having worked in the oil business in the Middle East and in my opinion, he's here to act as a detractor to anything anyone says that is unfavorable to certain interests.
This person contributes very little to the site unless it's in disputing everything I have to say about such things as hydrogen fuel cells, global warming, unlawful government activities, and now this.
Let's look at who this person reviews, shall we? Here are his most reviewed users:
electrictoothsyndrome (user info) -238 on 278 = -0.86
loki (user info) 177 on 162 = 1.09
Stabkill (user info) 176 on 126 = 1.40
Jack_McCallum (user info) 199 on 122 = 1.63
I don't think it's any secret that I am probably about the most vocal political poster here right now, and he has rated me 278 times...almost TWICE as much as the next highest user.
He clearly has some sort of personal agenda in coming to my posts over and over again to rate them badly and try to complicate and obfuscate my points. He also often puts words in my mouth that aren't even there, just like he tried to do with Williamson just now.
This is either a sign of a clear and precise agenda, or a severe mental defect. One of the two.
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Maybe I rate you so much because it amuses me to feed your delusions of me being a govt employee paid only to discredit you.
Maybe I get akick out of you sitting in the dark cutting yourself and plotting against the man for keeping you down by calling you an idiot online.
Or maybe I am bored at work, and it is so easy to pick your shit apart.
Whenever confronted with facts you can't deny, or are so simple even your little mind can't avoid grasping them you retreat into me being a govt plant. Maybe I rate you so much because it takes so long to explain the simplest things to you that must be obvious to anyone.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:08:51 EST (#)
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So fuck you, and fuck whoever it is you work for."""
Jesus, you're lunacy is limitless. Now indoninja apparently works for "them".
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:07:08 EST (#)
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Maybe he's just sick of your shit. I know I am.
I've spent time reading some 9/11 stuff because it's an interesting read and a good way to kill time, but I'm not so impressionable that a few statements will completely sway my beliefs. I've read both sides and have come to the conclusion that the evidence proving there is no conspiracy far outweighs anything to the contrary.
ETS, enough with this nonsense already. No one cares and it's pointless to discuss it. Your mind is already made up and no amount of hard proof will make you realize you're wrong. You'll just continue to manipulate facts to fit your agenda and berate everyone who disagrees with you like some type of crazed psycopath.
This attitude isn't helping your cause....
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:05:11 EST (#)
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You know what's funny/sad?
You came accross these videos ONLY LIKE A DAY AGO and now you're already 100% convinced that 9/11 was an inside job. You don't even weigh the pros and cons like I, or everybody, did when I saw these videos a while ago. You jumped right into it like a good little sheep and there's no way to find gray areas in your views. You just scream at the top of your lung "OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE" because you were yet again, "enlightened" by people who know how to manipulate idiots like you.
You think you're a great free thinker, but you're so fucking naïve, it's pathetic. I'm under the impression you will end up in all kind of sects.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:04:40 EST (#)
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Williamson,
good question.
In answer, no I haven't.
But, modern buildings of this size are built not to fall over if something goes wrong in them.
And try and think of a building of the same size built at the same time with the same safety features that it was. Similiar buildings would be pretty much limited to rich western nations, and a few asian ones (probably Dubai as well). Anyway my point is anywhere a building like this has been built probably has a very modern and well trained fire dept. In most cases the fire would be pretty easy to put out, or at least fight before it got to that level. In this case the fire dept was all over the place and couldn't fight it.
As to your comments about the damage being limited, please look at the link I sent you. Tell me it is a lie, or somehow misrepresenting things.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:04:33 EST (#)
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Look at this site Indoninja just linked us to. This is the biggest load of CRAP I've ever seen.
Particularly, look at how they're trying to refute the Silverstein quote on PBS to pull the building... It's FUCKING SAD.
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html
Nice try Indo. Guess you don't get paid this week, huh? You're gonna have to go tell your superiors that your tactis aren't working anymore and you're gonna have to take me out, cause I got news for you...THIS AIN'T GONNA STOP. ;)
So fuck you, and fuck whoever it is you work for.
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-29 11:02:23 EST (#)
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Maybe he's just sick of your shit. I know I am.
I've spent time reading some 9/11 stuff because it's an interesting read and a good way to kill time, but I'm not so impressionable that a few statements will completely sway my beliefs. I've read both sides and have come to the conclusion that the evidence proving their is no conspiracy far outweighs anything to the contrary.
ETS, enough with this nonsense already. No one cares and it's pointless to discuss it. Your mind is already made up and no amount of hard proof will make you realize you're wrong. You'll just continue to manipulate facts to fit your agenda and berate everyone who disagrees with you like some type of crazed psycopath.
This isn't helping your cause....
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:57:53 EST (#)
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Williamson, many buildings of such height are designed to come stright down like that in order to prevent an almost domino effect.
Also seismic evidence prooves without a shadow of a doubt that none of the three buildings were demolished with explosives.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:54:44 EST (#)
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You're doing your level best to pull the heat back to this post.
You're getting too good at this, no-one should have such skill at somehitng so unimportant.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:54:25 EST (#)
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You must be a regular chick magnet.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:50:36 EST (#)
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Indoninja, et al...
Williamson was obvious being sarcastic there. He knows full well that "pull it" is a demolition term, as did Silverstien when he said those words on PBS. Silverstien said in that interview that he told the fire department to "pull it", refering to WTC7.
THEN....he later denied having said that at all, and now props up the official FEMA story of 'fire' being the culprit, which stands to this very day.
I am now pretty much convinced of one thing...
Indoninja works for the government.
He admits to having worked in the oil business in the Middle East and in my opinion, he's here to act as a detractor to anything anyone says that is unfavorable to certain interests.
This person contributes very little to the site unless it's in disputing everything I have to say about such things as hydrogen fuel cells, global warming, unlawful government activities, and now this.
Let's look at who this person reviews, shall we? Here are his most reviewed users:
electrictoothsyndrome (user info) -238 on 278 = -0.86
loki (user info) 177 on 162 = 1.09
Stabkill (user info) 176 on 126 = 1.40
Jack_McCallum (user info) 199 on 122 = 1.63
I don't think it's any secret that I am probably about the most vocal political poster here right now, and he has rated me 278 times...almost TWICE as much as the next highest user.
He clearly has some sort of personal agenda in coming to my posts over and over again to rate them badly and try to complicate and obfuscate my points. He also often puts words in my mouth that aren't even there, just like he tried to do with Williamson just now.
This is either a sign of a clear and precise agenda, or a severe mental defect. One of the two.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:30:11 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:19:22 (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:09:53 (#)
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http://www.911myths.com/html
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my bad.
http://www.911myths.com/index.html
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:29:21 EST (#)
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Indo... Tell me if you have ever heard of a building like WTC7 falling because of fire?
Or have you ever seen a building fall in that way, without it being a controlled demolition?
Do you believe that WTC7 fell like that naturally? And because of what truly was limited damage?
Submitted by BuckeyesTHEGAME (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:26:09 EST (#)
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**repeatedly rolls eyes**
Do you even have a job anymore, or do you just sit around playing with knives and convincing yourself the government is out to get you?
Just move to North Dakota, build a cabin, start your own militia of psycho hill people and get it over with.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:23:00 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:47:13 (#)
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The whole Building 7 thing has a really big 1984 feeling to it. We have both Larry Silverstein and FEMA who are on the Official Truth side.
Larry Silverstein claims that the building was pulled, and then later denies it, claiming it was fire that brought it down...
THE BUILDING WAS NEVER DEMOLISHED, IT FELL DOWN BY ITSELF, LARRY SILVERSTEIN NEVER SAID ANYTHING AND WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EURASIA!
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he said pull the building to the fire chief. pull *is* a term in demolition to blow a building. is silverstein or the fire chief a demolitions expert? do they work in the deomlition industry? or maybe they were talking about the fireman meaning of the word pull, meaning to atake the people out and pull them back so the building can burn.
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html
and for any of you fucktards who believe that the fire damage was minor, please look here, it explains in small easy to understand facts (and real proof, not whacked out theories) how the building was in a serious fire.
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:19:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:09:53 (#)
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http://www.911myths.com/html
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2006-03-29 10:09:53 EST (#)
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http://www.911myths.com/html
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:43:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:33:08 (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85978
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:38:45 EST (#)
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I'll have you know that I base my opinions on nothing but the careful and thorough examination of my own thoughts. I may formulate such opinions around information obtained within certain media, but in no way are either my core values or powers of reason swayed by the pundits within said media.
I resent any accusation otherwise as the tepid and petty attempts of ignorant and resentful parties to discredit someone who they neither know nor care to understand.
So in layman's terms, stick it up your asses.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:36:21 EST (#)
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williamson, youre wrong because youre applying an inference that the speaker never intended or could have even known about.
his statement is not particularly concrete (in that it just says 'in the future', not a particular date and there is nothing that says he thinks it will terminate with what he said) and the things he said did come to fruition. youve taken a quote and used it out of context to validate a small point youre making about the publication.
though you are right in saying it doesnt really matter.
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:33:08 EST (#)
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http://www.ubersite.com/m/85978
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:31:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:22:58 (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:59:52 (#)
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I accidentally stumbled onto this while fucking around on the web and thought it was worth mentioning here.
«Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1.5 tons.»
Popular Mechanics, March 1949.
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What does that prove, beyond the fact that they were right? Now, a mere child like yourself wouldn't know it, but it did reach the point where computers had around 1000 vacuum tubes and only weighed 3000 pounds (after 1949 but well before you were born). Just because a statement looks ridiculous NOW based on current computers doesn't mean it was never true. But who could possibly expect a child to be bothered with facts?
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When someone makes a prediction they predict how great it will eventually become at it's hayday. If I predicted in 1905 that a plane could one day fly to 50 miles I would technically be correct by your logic but we all know that I was amazingly below what the real answer should be (which is how far planes will eventually fly). I'm arguing the implication and inference of what was said, your arguing a technicality.
Who cares anyway?
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:25:56 EST (#)
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not only that, wardy, but one cant say the media is corrupt, and then base a large portion their opinions on it also.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:24:06 EST (#)
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Yea, I know... Look at the resistence I get from idiots like Wardy and the like on this website.
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idiots? okay, i'm not responding anymore to your ignorant posts because clearly you just don't get it. all i'm going to say is this: if the media is so corrupt that it will not look to reveal the treacherous secrets of our government, then how do we know about things like wiretapping, prison abuse, sex scandals, lobbying scandals? the simple fact that we live in a capitalistic society demands that even the giant media corporations fight for viewership, meaning their job is to find the most controversial, late breaking stories possible.
EXCEPT THEY NEED CREDIBLE EVIDENCE TO PRESENT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go back to high school, dipshit. learn how to do a fucking research paper.
Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:22:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:59:52 (#)
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I accidentally stumbled onto this while fucking around on the web and thought it was worth mentioning here.
«Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1.5 tons.»
Popular Mechanics, March 1949.
What does that prove, beyond the fact that they were right? Now, a mere child like yourself wouldn't know it, but it did reach the point where computers had around 1000 vacuum tubes and only weighed 3000 pounds (after 1949 but well before you were born). Just because a statement looks ridiculous NOW based on current computers doesn't mean it was never true. But who could possibly expect a child to be bothered with facts?
Submitted by Jesus_Loves_TwEE (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:17:36 EST (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-03-29 09:09:42 EST (#)
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seriously, its time to get a fucking hobby. get off the internet.
go get laid, man. im sure you can manage it easy, go do it. youll feel a whole lot better, and youll realise something really important.
ill leave it up to you what that could possibly be.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2006-03-28 09:21:11 (#)
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i guess its an interesting point to discuss when your cock is too chafed, but one has to ask the questions
does it really matter either way?
do you really think anyone will conclusively prove any wrongdoing on behalf of the government?
would any such 'smoking gun' evidence really get out? not just in terms of a corrupt government covering its arse, but in terms good people protecting the nations psyche - would evidence of governmental murder of us citizens cause more problems than it solved?
in my opinion consiracy theories like this are in fact problems posing as solutions. a concrete, uncontestable proving of US governmental involvement in 9/11 would cause far, far more problems than anything, and not only on a domestic level.
therefore, it is also in my opinion that there are more useful and productive things to talk about, since even if you are right, not only would your 'rightness' never see the light of day, it would also be undesirable if it were to.
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:59:52 EST (#)
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I accidentally stumbled onto this while fucking around on the web and thought it was worth mentioning here.
«Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1.5 tons.»
Popular Mechanics, March 1949.
Submitted by freebie (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:51:29 EST (#)
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When you wake up from your alcohol induced comas with a sore asshole, I'm betting you blame space aliens and their special probing techniques. That way you don't have to admit the realities of life.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:47:46 EST (#)
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WTF I'M NOT READING ALL THAT
Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:47:13 EST (#)
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The whole Building 7 thing has a really big 1984 feeling to it. We have both Larry Silverstein and FEMA who are on the Official Truth side.
Larry Silverstein claims that the building was pulled, and then later denies it, claiming it was fire that brought it down...
THE BUILDING WAS NEVER DEMOLISHED, IT FELL DOWN BY ITSELF, LARRY SILVERSTEIN NEVER SAID ANYTHING AND WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EURASIA!
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:36:00 EST (#)
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Thats one big fuck off post with absoulutely no proof again.
I've thought of a way to proove or disproove your theory once and for all. I'll post later.
Submitted by OneCheapGeek (user info) at 2006-03-29 08:20:40 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 05:41:14 (#)
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-03-29 05:05:20 (#)
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I think that our governments have too much control over what we do or don't find out. Even if someone discovers "truth" and "proof" most people don't believe it unless they have heard it officially- look at the responses you have had here. All the people in power have to do is deny everything thrown at them.
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Yea, I know... Look at the resistence I get from idiots like Wardy and the like on this website.
I sometimes genuinely feel like the stupidity and laziness are so extreme on the part of those who refuse to look into what I'm saying that there is really no other explanation except they are paid to be here to confuse the situation. I know that's absurd, but that just illustrates the level of stupidity I face on posts like this.
When they're looking for a so-called 'credible source', the very nature of this sort of conspiracy completely negates the concept of what a 'credible' or 'official' source can be.
I mean, are they really wanting an 'official' source of information to come out and corroborate that which can be clearly seen on some of the videos released on the internet about 9/11?
Hey, I saw a video on Google the other day of two people using REAL LIGHTSABERS!!! I'm so glad that no videos can be faked or modified to suit what you want to show, especially those from anonymous sources on the internet...
And no, demanding the truth won't do shit as long as the info is classified.
Now, you run off and try your revolution. Just jump on in with your knife and this AK47 you keep talking about getting. Overthrow the government. I'll enjoy watching your execution.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 06:53:56 EST (#)
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Here's another for you Ozzy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5714975155113419363&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true
36 minutes.
You've got that much time right?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 06:50:35 EST (#)
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Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2006-03-29 06:44:38 (#)
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I spent a large part of last night watching those 2 vids as they were linked in yesterdays post and I must say that this whole case stinks from that roadmap of neo-conservatives until the disposal of evidence of the crime scene.
I'd go crazy if I were on your side of the world.
Good thing is, I'm not.
Peace.
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Peace to you too, my brutha. :P
Thanks for watching the videos. Now if I can just get my countrymen to do the same...
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 06:48:48 EST (#)
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"""How is this still relevant to our times?"""
I can't believe you even have to ask that.
"""Let's say you have cracked a massive government secret. What do you hope to achieve?"""
I don't know...maybe getting people riled up enough to make a PERMANENT change in this government. Revolution would be nice at this point. I think we'd be entirely justified under the same precepts of the original Declaration of Independence to do so, and we would be fully within our rights as citizens to overthrow this government based on what I've learned by watching these videos and reading all these articles on this conspiracy.
"""Fact: The general population don't give a fuck HOW the WTC towers came down. They're pissed their friends/relatives/friends died in the disaster. If the government were responsible, no amount of evidence could convince the public that their government betrayed them. It's too scary a thought. And should any evidence exist to link the government to the towers coming down, there is no way they will allow this evidence to become public knowledge."""
'Evidence' is between the lines in some cases, and right under our noses in others. There is a BEVY of evidence! MOUNTAINS OF IT! It's all right there in the public record and in the videos of the events.
"""Fact: You are basing your opinions on the heresay of others. You argue about the merits of various scientists, engineers or whoever."""
WHOA now... It's not heresay if, while your listening to them, they are showing you the evidence in plain sight. Heresay is "he said, she said"... That's not what any of this is. This is RIGHT THERE in the video evidence of that day and in the public record and in the news reports from that day and in the scientific analysis (the kind NOT conducted and paid for by government bedfellows).
"""Are you an engineer or scientist? Unless you are, AND unless you've physically investigated the scene, the rubble and ignored any eyewitness accounts, I and almost every single person on earth don't give a fuck what you have to say about this. Unless you've investigated this on a physical level, your theorising is no different to that of millions of other uninformed, bored twats. All you do is regurgitate the findings of various geezers in lab coats."""
Ok, so what you're saying is that, unless a person could transport themselves back in time and go to ground zero on 9/11, nothing can be proven... Interesting. You know, with that kind of logic, we'd never really know anything about anything would we?
"""You're an intelligent guy ETS."""
Well, excuse me for thinking this, but you're either unintelligent or lazy, one of the two.
"""The difference between you and most other intelligent people is that they actually use their intelligence to do something productive."""
I happen to think that expressing my views and spreading the truth about my government's part in what is possibly the BIGGEST HOAX of all time to be about the most productive thing I could POSSIBLY do.
"""Spending your time writing shit like this and badgering your local senator about an event that happened 5 years ago achieves fuck all. It won't be productive unless you get a science degree, and investigate any physical evidence you can get your hands on for yourself. In which case, go for you fucking life. THAT would be at least semi productive."""
Don't know what you mean about 5 years ago. The letter to my Senator wasn't about 9/11, it was about selling our National Forest land because our government is apparently too irresponsible with our money (SEE: 2 WARS) to come up with another way of getting it.
"""I'll end this before a say something unwarranted. But I'll end with some of your own words:
"What is it about life that people think they have to take it so seriously? When I was a little boy, I always thought that I was meant to do something great on this planet...and then I grew up, or more precisely took a lot of drugs, and the reality set in that there really is no such thing as greatness - that the ideals we were always taught as children about how we should live our lives were nothing more than the superimpositions of a soulless society's T.V.-induced propaganda. Even now as I write, I realize the ultimate futility of my words and their inherent meaninglessness. In spite of this fact, I just thought I would write anyway to see how many people I could bug. This tends to make me happy, or at least content in an illusory shelter from boredom.""""
Out of context.
"""I have you pegged."""
Think so?
"""Perhaps Uber is a big game to you (I have no problem with that, well played if this is the case) whereby you act in an increasingly weird and controversial way in order to get attention on a website."""
Wrong. I don't care about attention. I'd rather people just gave the attention to the people in those videos for a minute. In fact, more attention to myself is counterproductive to what I'm trying to get people to see here.
"""But alternatively, and I believe more likely, drug taking has led to your current state. Poor social skills, isolation, paranoia, and as a result you truly are as fucked up as you seem."""
You don't know me off this website, so it would be ill-advised to make assumptions about the way I am in person. Doncha think? Plus, kudos for trying to discredit me or paint me with a wide brush because I've taken drugs. (As if entire generations of people haven't.)
"""It is highly probable that your life lacks direction and meaning in either case."""
I don't deny that. I've said it several times, I haven't lived up to my potential. I'm human, sue me.
"""If you actually believe all the shit you've been writing recently, seriously, seek help."""
If you actually just made that assessment of me without watching these videos, it is YOU that needs the help, my friend. To me, your laziness speaks volumes about you. You can take the time to bash me with this review, but you can't take a half hour to watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-03-29 06:46:07 EST (#)
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ETS! Seriously go to bed! It must be nearly time for you to get up again!
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2006-03-29 06:44:38 EST (#)
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I spent a large part of last night watching those 2 vids as they were linked in yesterdays post and I must say that this whole case stinks from that roadmap of neo-conservatives until the disposal of evidence of the crime scene.
I'd go crazy if I were on your side of the world.
Good thing is, I'm not.
Peace.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 06:21:19 EST (#)
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http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.mp3
Submitted by ozzy (user info) at 2006-03-29 06:18:22 EST (#)
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This will the final review I post on any of your work. Don't bother replying, I won't read it.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:41:49 (#)
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Is it still relevant to our times? Then yes I'm still 'jammering'.
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How is this still relevant to our times?
Let's say you have cracked a massive government secret. What do you hope to achieve?
Fact: The general population don't give a fuck HOW the WTC towers came down. They're pissed their friends/relatives/friends died in the disaster. If the government were responsible, no amount of evidence could convince the public that their government betrayed them. It's too scary a thought. And should any evidence exist to link the government to the towers coming down, there is no way they will allow this evidence to become public knowledge.
Fact: You are basing your opinions on the heresay of others. You argue about the merits of various scientists, engineers or whoever.
Are you an engineer or scientist? Unless you are, AND unless you've physically investigated the scene, the rubble and ignored any eyewitness accounts, I and almost every single person on earth don't give a fuck what you have to say about this. Unless you've investigated this on a physical level, your theorising is no different to that of millions of other uninformed, bored twats. All you do is regurgitate the findings of various geezers in lab coats.
You're an intelligent guy ETS.
The difference between you and most other intelligent people is that they actually use their intelligence to do something productive.
Spending your time writing shit like this and badgering your local senator about an event that happened 5 years ago achieves fuck all. It won't be productive unless you get a science degree, and investigate any physical evidence you can get your hands on for yourself. In which case, go for you fucking life. THAT would be at least semi productive.
I'll end this before a say something unwarranted. But I'll end with some of your own words:
"What is it about life that people think they have to take it so seriously? When I was a little boy, I always thought that I was meant to do something great on this planet...and then I grew up, or more precisely took a lot of drugs, and the reality set in that there really is no such thing as greatness - that the ideals we were always taught as children about how we should live our lives were nothing more than the superimpositions of a soulless society's T.V.-induced propaganda. Even now as I write, I realize the ultimate futility of my words and their inherent meaninglessness. In spite of this fact, I just thought I would write anyway to see how many people I could bug. This tends to make me happy, or at least content in an illusory shelter from boredom."
I have you pegged.
Perhaps Uber is a big game to you (I have no problem with that, well played if this is the case) whereby you act in an increasingly weird and controversial way in order to get attention on a website.
But alternatively, and I believe more likely, drug taking has led to your current state. Poor social skills, isolation, paranoia, and as a result you truly are as fucked up as you seem.
It is highly probable that your life lacks direction and meaning in either case.
If you actually believe all the shit you've been writing recently, seriously, seek help.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2006-03-29 06:14:36 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
i read that article when it came out...it was pretty bullshit then, and it's pretty buillshit now.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 05:41:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-03-29 05:05:20 (#)
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I think that our governments have too much control over what we do or don't find out. Even if someone discovers "truth" and "proof" most people don't believe it unless they have heard it officially- look at the responses you have had here. All the people in power have to do is deny everything thrown at them.
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Yea, I know... Look at the resistence I get from idiots like Wardy and the like on this website.
I sometimes genuinely feel like the stupidity and laziness are so extreme on the part of those who refuse to look into what I'm saying that there is really no other explanation except they are paid to be here to confuse the situation. I know that's absurd, but that just illustrates the level of stupidity I face on posts like this.
When they're looking for a so-called 'credible source', the very nature of this sort of conspiracy completely negates the concept of what a 'credible' or 'official' source can be.
I mean, are they really wanting an 'official' source of information to come out and corroborate that which can be clearly seen on some of the videos released on the internet about 9/11?
Who's a credible source here? FEMA? FBI? CIA? DOD? The Bush administration? CNN? Fox News? MSNBC? Government-funded agencies such as NASA? Army Corps of Engineers? This whole idea of what constitutes a 'credible' source is blown out the window in this situation because those are the people that have everything to lose from revealing the truth.
This requires a person to view the evidence for HIMSELF, not to wait to take someone in the government's word for it.
They also often forget that almost ALL of the technical institutions in this country are funded at least in part by the government and the Department of Defense. Yet they seem to be waiting for professors and scientists who operate out of these institutions to come forward revealing their corroborating research into 9/11? Fat chance. I'd like to see someone TRY to approach the government about that one. They'd be fired in a New York minute, just as others who try to approach this issue have been.
It is up to people with nothing to lose to expose the truth, and that means it's going to require a little bit of research and thought on the part of individuals to keep an open mind and just look at the evidence.
We are fortunate enough to have a handfull of scientists and engineers looking into this through privately funded institutions and independent videos, but right now, that's not enough.
We need people talking about this and discussing it. I think people are finally waking up to it...myself included.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 05:24:40 EST (#)
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One more thing and then I'll leave this for now and get some sleep...
The Popular Mechanics article was apparently written by none other than Benjamin Chertoff, BROTHER of Michael Chertoff.
Sound familiar?
That's right, he's the director of FEMA. The fame FEMA that was put in charbe of the 9/11 investigation and the same FEMA that put their incompetence on full display during the Katrina disaster. (As if the 9/11 investigation wasn't enough.)
Good night people. Hope you sleep well knowing your government is looking out for you.
I know I won't.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-03-29 05:05:20 EST (#)
Ranking: 2
I think that our governments have too much control over what we do or don't find out. Even if someone discovers "truth" and "proof" most people don't believe it unless they have heard it officially- look at the responses you have had here. All the people in power have to do is deny everything thrown at them.
In the UK there are rules that sensitive information can't be released for a certain period of time- 20- 50- 100 years or whatever. I'm sure the truth of all this will come out after we are all dead (and people can look at the Internet on their eyelids or something)
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 04:54:03 EST (#)
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My god, this video is EXCELLENT: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8253755118698983122&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 04:15:50 EST (#)
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Thank you Cindy, but I disagree...we WILL know the truth. All we have to do is DEMAND it. I have not lost all faith in my country or its people's integrity to do the right thing.
All we need is a few courageous people to begin to speak up. Surely their consciences are burning them everytime they try to sleep.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 04:13:17 EST (#)
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Ok, another problem with the Popular Mechanics article...
Go here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=3&c=y
Look at the part accompanying the photo of the part of the fuselage with windows...
Click on the photo to enlarge.
Now, consider again the eye witness claims of "no windows" and "that was NOT an American Airlines plane" in context of this: http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/videoevidence.jpg
That is a still photo of an Air Force plane taken from a video that Caulaincourt so considerately brought to my attention: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8253755118698983122&q=CONSPIRACY&pl=true
That video is taking a slow motion look at the airplane that hit the south tower and shows clearly that the underbelly of the aircraft that struck the south tower from multiple angles has something attached to it...something that looks suspiciously like this plane: http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/electrictoothsyndrome/videoevidence.jpg
Now, am I crazy?
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-03-29 04:00:06 EST (#)
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Rated this wrong. ETS has put a lot of thought into this.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:59:23 EST (#)
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If there was a conspiracy we'll never know the truth in our lifetimes.
Submitted by fluff (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:48:06 EST (#)
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Not again FFS!
Submitted by w_t_a_y_s_t_r_m (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:47:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:41:49 (#)
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Is it still relevant to our times? Then yes I'm still 'jammering'.
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No. I couldn't give a flying fuck.
Do you think someones going to read this and think "holy fuck, ets is on to us, we better confess"?
Would be cool if they do, but I doubt
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:41:49 EST (#)
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Is it still relevant to our times? Then yes I'm still 'jammering'.
Submitted by ozzy (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:36:09 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
Jeebus ETS, are you still yammering about this shit?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:28:54 EST (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:20:30 (#)
Ranking: -2
GET A FUCKING JOB YOU LOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER
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And stop bugging you, Georgie??? NAHHHH
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:28:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by blueboy (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:25:12 (#)
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ETS, can I hire you to look into the consipracy that clearly is going on to keep me from my darko account?
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Dude, I wish I could help. I had a friend on here a while back that lost his password as well, and although both of us emailed Bart on several occasions about it, he never responded.
I'm sure he takes the stance that to do it for one is to do it for everyone, and I don't think he's prepared to take on all that responsibility. I talked to him for a bit last week and he said his time was extremely strapped at the moment. He doesn't even have time to get to setting up UberMadness yet if that tells you anything. I personally think he's just pussywhipped. ;)
Good luck, though.
Submitted by blueboy (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:25:12 EST (#)
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ETS, can I hire you to look into the consipracy that clearly is going on to keep me from my darko account?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2006-03-29 03:20:30 EST (#)
Ranking: -2
GET A FUCKING JOB YOU LOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER