Surly Scots, The Welsh, Pommy Bastards of all stripes, Rugby, etc... (927 hits)
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Submitted by Cyrus (View user info) at 2006-03-06 17:37:43 EST
OK, since I'm obviously not going to get anything resembling a direct response from Monkey taster or redskies, and since this really is something I've been wondering about for a long time... I'm turning my review into a post. This is probably against the rules, but what the hell... this is my first post so I'm in for it anyway. Not to creep you all out or anything, but I've been lurking here for years. Being the experienced Uberlurker, I know it's pro forma to out myself as a first-time poster & noob so I can be properly pooped on, so there's the official declaration.
Here's my experience, having enjoyed a long rugby career in the U.S., I noticed some strong common personality traits in players from various other countries. Putting aside for the moment that we're talking about rugby players here, i.e., people of questionable sanity & judgement anyway... In 23 years of rugby, it pretty much boiled down to this:
Mostly all good-natured guys: Scots, 'Nucks, Irish, Kiwis
Very Surly: 90% of all the Welsh I met
Unimaginably surly: every South African I ever met
Vain, arrogant, loud, & 100% convinced they're God's gift to rugby and Mankind: Aussies
This leaves out the British which I just can't box up as neatly. The Brits really ran the gamut from some of the most impressive, greatest guys I've met, to the worst stuck-up jackasses imaginable, apparently too cultured to bother to speak to ignorant truant colonial scum (Americans).
What's that you say? "Seems like I ought to have a question or a point here somewhere..." Well, I know there are other rugby players on Uber, and Americans that have lived in these places or still do and I want to know what your experiences have been with the male of the species in these places. I'm know I'm stereotyping rather crudely here, but that's the way it was, and I'm curious to see what comments or experiences others have had.
original review of The_taste_of_Monkeys post:
This gives me an oportunity to bring up a subject I've been curious about for years,and this is as good a forum as any, what with all the UK folk here and various other types of POMs. "Scotland is the surliest of the British countries." Really?
Because I always figured the Welsh must be the surly ones. Before I get flambeed here, let me say I'm part Welsh on both sides and have always been interested in my Welsh heritage. But here's the deal, I played rugby here for about 23 years and I met a ton of rugby players in those years from all over the world, especially the former British crown colonies. While I really wanted to like the Welsh guys I met, they were, to a man and as a group, some of the surliest pricks ever. A real disapointment. The only group that was worse were the South-Africans, who were all so freakin surly it defies description.
For the record, just to make sure I piss everybody off, let me say that the Scots, the Irish and the Kiwi players I met were mostly all great guys. On the other hand, I universally didn't like the Aussies: all loud, arrogant, & plainly of the mind that they were God's gift to rugby and mankind, especially the womankind part of mankind.
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-30 12:56:58 EST (#)
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hehe
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2006-03-07 09:15:46 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 08:00:23 (#)
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Well, they're diminished in number and jobless. Once Swansea implodes they'll be extinct.
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What choo talkin' about, Willis?
Whilst there are chavs driving about in Novas there will be jobs at the DVLA.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-03-07 08:53:27 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 07:48:13 (#)
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The plight of the welsh. For example, when the Roman Legions attacked Anglesey the women had no choice but to throw babies at them because they ran out of rocks. It was all good in the end though.
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Now you see THAT is hardcore!
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 08:00:23 EST (#)
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Well, they're diminished in number and jobless. Once Swansea implodes they'll be extinct.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2006-03-07 07:55:59 EST (#)
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Pfft. The Romans were only butchering the druids. Honestly, you massacre a few religious leaders and it's clash of the civilisations time.
Not that the welsh are civilised.
Actually, they weren't even Welsh, they were Celts. But, I digress.
I personally feel sorry for the Romans, they got such a bad press ever since all that bother with Jesus.
True fact time. "Wales" is the Saxon word for "Foreigners"
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 07:48:13 EST (#)
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Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2006-03-07 07:36:09 (#)
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The hell you chatting about, boy?
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The plight of the welsh. For example, when the Roman Legions attacked Anglesey the women had no choice but to throw babies at them because they ran out of rocks. It was all good in the end though.
Paul Llewelyn taught them the rioting way, and they were able to rise up against the imperial sardukaur and fight them off their desolate world. True story.
Submitted by Dervel (user info) at 2006-03-07 07:36:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:21:41 (#)
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Over the centuries, throughout the rule of the romans, the saxons, the vikings, the normans, and Margaret Thatcher, the Welsh people have been raped, murderered and deprived. They have suffered more than any other people in Britian.
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The hell you chatting about, boy?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:57:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:52:18 (#)
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Berty's out blowing a j, trying to figure who I am. I'm nobody. Elvis is dead. Funny, btw, redskies. Last remark, I fielded it, took some running, but I snagged it. I had no idea you were English. Damn it's late here. You're one of my newer faves here, btw. I'm sleepy and drunk, so, sandman time. (I love Berty, btw, he just doesn't know how fucking hot I am, else he'd be on a plane. I joke. Later/ VE/
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Is it Ainkara? Stin?
It can't be Lori. She's never this vulgar. I didn't think she was that close a friend to DJ either. Andy? Is it Mr Horton himself? That doesn't explain the Scottish link. Hmm...
Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:52:18 EST (#)
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Berty's out blowing a j, trying to figure who I am. I'm nobody. Elvis is dead. Funny, btw, redskies. Last remark, I fielded it, took some running, but I snagged it. I had no idea you were English. Damn it's late here. You're one of my newer faves here, btw. I'm sleepy and drunk, so, sandman time. (I love Berty, btw, he just doesn't know how fucking hot I am, else he'd be on a plane. I joke. Later/ VE/
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:47:38 EST (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:29:26 (#)
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Berty, if you weren't a very good friend of a pal of mine... why you, I oughta... I should switch user names, but... You so know I was right about Glam. (Pre industrial I mean).
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Mystery!
Okay. Only real person who knows me is DeathJester, so a scottish person that knows DeathJester...
probably male... But he doesn't know any scottish people... In fact, I only know in laws who are scottish...
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:36:55 EST (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:29:26 (#)
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Berty, if you weren't a very good friend of a pal of mine... why you, I oughta... I should switch user names, but... You so know I was right about Glam. (Pre industrial I mean).
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I'm sure there was a proclaimation ordering the Scottish to give up their alters. It's to do with the Battle of Bannockburn or something. Apparently you don't need alters coz you have claymores.
Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:29:26 EST (#)
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Berty, if you weren't a very good friend of a pal of mine... why you, I oughta... I should switch user names, but... You so know I was right about Glam. (Pre industrial I mean).
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:26:25 EST (#)
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True Red. Particularly in winter.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:20:30 EST (#)
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All this national debate - we're missing out on the fact that the brummies are particularly surly.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:20:28 EST (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:02:33 (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:56:50 (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:53:46 (#)
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The industrial revolution killed Glamorgan.
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*points and laughs*
BUMMY KUNG FU KICK!
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What the fuck is a bummy kung fu kick?
That sounds almost Welsh.
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Perhaps it's like cockeny rhyming slang?
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:18:08 EST (#)
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Velvet, hush now.
Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:07:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:56:50 (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:53:46 (#)
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The industrial revolution killed Glamorgan.
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*points and laughs*
BUMMY KUNG FU KICK!
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God, I totally forgot, I mean seriously, that I'm using my alter. I could so (hate the phrase) pull rank and blast you into oblivion. I really forgot, got so tied up in Elvis. What was your point, B.? You cannot possibly disagree. Sure, Glam was "the rednecks" of England long before that, but I was talking about the beauty of the south shore. What was your point? My old roommate, from Cotswald Hills, had the same attitude. I punished him.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-07 06:02:33 EST (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:56:50 (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:53:46 (#)
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The industrial revolution killed Glamorgan.
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*points and laughs*
BUMMY KUNG FU KICK!
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What the fuck is a bummy kung fu kick?
That sounds almost Welsh.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:56:50 EST (#)
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Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:53:46 (#)
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The industrial revolution killed Glamorgan.
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*points and laughs*
BUMMY KUNG FU KICK!
Submitted by VelvetElvis (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:53:46 EST (#)
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The industrial revolution killed Glamorgan.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2006-03-07 05:21:41 EST (#)
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Over the centuries, throughout the rule of the romans, the saxons, the vikings, the normans, and Margaret Thatcher, the Welsh people have been raped, murderered and deprived. They have suffered more than any other people in Britian. Yet, if I walk into a Welsh pub and lament the death of John Peel one of them will buy me a pint.
This may have more to do with the Welsh having a poor grasp of history and martyr status of John Peel amongst the less savvy than the Welsh kindness, but it's a telling truth all the same.
Submitted by Nellypaal (user info) at 2006-03-07 04:55:42 EST (#)
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Considering you've played so much rugby against the countries in question, you really ought to have a better understanding of British geography.
You're only letting yourself down. What would your mother say?
Submitted by LadyJay (user info) at 2006-03-06 20:24:50 EST (#)
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british are the the scots, welsh, english and northern irish. the republic of ireland isnt british, therefore, if you call an irish person british, they ring up their cousin in the IRA cell in your area, and have you delt with.. or just smack u on the back of the head with their shoes, either works..
Submitted by weasul (user info) at 2006-03-06 20:13:08 EST (#)
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Scots are the way to go.
Submitted by Cyrus (user info) at 2006-03-06 19:21:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by Smack_Fuck (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:41:52 (#)
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don't think rugby players are representative of the populations from which they are extracted, those descriptions are practically the exact opposite of my experiences.
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Along with the usual problems with generalizing and stereotyping, I suspect this is true. Judging entire nations by their rugby diaspora probably isn't too accurate. That's why I was curious about other people's experiences.
Submitted by Smack_Fuck (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:41:52 EST (#)
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don't think rugby players are representative of the populations from which they are extracted, those descriptions are practically the exact opposite of my experiences.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:39:51 EST (#)
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Submitted by MyTeeOne (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:25:27 (#)
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By the White Christ, I've had to make this EXACT same post well over a dozen times already to people who should know better, because they've alledgedly 'lurked for months and months' on Ubersite.
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I lurked and I still made the mistake. Am I saying we should cut the guy some slack?
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actually, I read your first post, and you are safe - in your first post, all you said was 'it's my first post', which means you ARE a n00b, and thusly cannot be expected to know any better, q.e.d.
What I take offence at on this cunt's post, is that he admits it, then asks for -2s - you ALREADY know you are not supposed to do that, it's MY FECKIN PREROGATIVE to make that call, you festering gobshite.
Submitted by MrSparkle847 (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:37:39 EST (#)
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Cock flake.
Submitted by MyTeeOne (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:25:27 EST (#)
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By the White Christ, I've had to make this EXACT same post well over a dozen times already to people who should know better, because they've alledgedly 'lurked for months and months' on Ubersite.
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I lurked and I still made the mistake. Am I saying we should cut the guy some slack? Hell no. I go home everynight, and force myself to watch Golden Girls re-runs as punshiment for my wicked ways. I will do so until my one year Uberversary. That'll learn me good.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:20:09 EST (#)
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Submitted by Cyrus (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:11:32 (#)
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So TasteofMonkeys: you, as a Scot, consider yourself British?
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Its a strange thing. We generally hate being called British BUT if someone says British when they mean Engish we get all pissy. Its a conundrum.
I am Highlander>Scottish>British>European>Westerner>Worlder>Earth/Moon Binary systemite>Sol Systemite>Milky Wayian>Unversite>Multiversite
in that order.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:14:10 EST (#)
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"By the White Christ,"
Jonny X comes out with soem gems
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:13:26 EST (#)
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Submitted by Cyrus (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:11:32 (#)
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So TasteofMonkeys: you, as a Scot, consider yourself British? Maybe this is a gap in my education. Do Irish, Scots, and Welsh consider themselves British? In the American rugby community (not that that's any brain trust) "Brit" was typically a reference just to the English. Not so?
Apollo is apparently one of those snotty little Brits I was talking about...
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In order of importance I am Geordie, British, English (except during the football), then European. But I am certainly all of these things.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:12:41 EST (#)
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Being the experienced Uberlurker, I know it's pro forma to out myself as a first-time poster & noob so I can be properly pooped on, so there's the official declaration.
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NO, YOU ARE INCORRECT.
If you _were_ an 'experienced Uberlurker', you would KNOW it is VERY bad form to say "omg i B a n00b, -2 flamorz away!!111"
By the White Christ, I've had to make this EXACT same post well over a dozen times already to people who should know better, because they've alledgedly 'lurked for months and months' on Ubersite.
Just make your fucking post and be done with it.
Cunt.
Submitted by Cyrus (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:11:32 EST (#)
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So TasteofMonkeys: you, as a Scot, consider yourself British? Maybe this is a gap in my education. Do Irish, Scots, and Welsh consider themselves British? In the American rugby community (not that that's any brain trust) "Brit" was typically a reference just to the English. Not so?
Apollo is apparently one of those snotty little Brits I was talking about...
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2006-03-06 18:10:29 EST (#)
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Leaving aside the 'it is difficult to identify a ubiquitous national trait' comments.
National character/trait surely exists. There are identifiable styles of comedy and culture that other nations 'do not get.'
French mime - wtf is that?
Equally - Vic and Bob do not export well.
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In my experience, the Scots have been good natured but a touch prickly about Scotland (which is probably fair enough - after all there are generations of abuse there). Furthermore, you only have to look at parties like Sinn Fein or the Scottish Nationalist Party to appreciate that people can be tremendously proud of their nation and seek greater autonomy (for what purpose - it is unclear).
The Welsh have always been lovely - but I still don't get the signs there. Yes, I get that you're proud of the language, but seriously it just feels so contrived.
Australians - I don't know enough to comment.
Same with New Zealanders.
Canadians are interesting, but I found them to be a little polarised. Either incredibly immature or boringly serious. Perhaps that's just Ontario folk though.
Americans - a huge spectrum of personalities. Too big a place to pigeon hole them.
That's just my gut appraisal. I know that these stereotypes are all too easily coloured by your experiences of one or two people.
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2006-03-06 17:45:53 EST (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-03-06 17:39:30 (#)
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you do know welsh and scots are brits too right?
so by brits you mean english?
Let me break it down for you:
Die.
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Way to up our rep 'pollo.
Yes, you have apparently made that most brutal of errors, mistaking British peoples for teh English. This is not the case and WILL get you a grade Imperial shoeing on the Scottish/Northern Irish/Welsh street of your choice.
Brits are just like everyone else, you get assholes and you get awesomeness. We can be surly fuckers and we WILL glass you if you fuck us off but then so will most other peoples of the world.
Aussies however ARE loudmouths.
Submitted by _Aries_ (user info) at 2006-03-06 17:43:20 EST (#)
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rugby = gay
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2006-03-06 17:39:30 EST (#)
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you do know welsh and scots are brits too right?
so by brits you mean english?
Let me break it down for you:
Die.