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Lets put this in perspective. Iraq. (1389 hits)

Category: Politics -> Iraq

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Submitted by Nobb (View user info) at 2004-05-12 08:32:47 EDT


Now I hear some people saying that because of the beheading of the American hostage that it justfies any attrocities Americans commited to prisoners in Abu Ghraib. HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? One small group of unsanctioned people decide to behead someone, American soldiers repeadtedly abuse prisoners, much worse than what you've heard. There is evidence that soldiers raped both male and female children. Which is worse I ask of you? The prisoners aren't terrorists either, so don't try and make it out like that. Almost all the prisoners in Abu Ghraib are innocents picked up because they had possesion of a gun (remember this is the most dangerous place on Earth)and are released after three months without being charged. Republican senators are questioning why the prison is being investigated while American soldiers are fighting and dieing. Because you broke the geneva convention and someone has to pay, asshole. It wasn't just seven soldiers doing this shit, they've known for over a year and didn't do one thing to try and stop it, that's why Rumsfield is in shit. It involves a lot more than Seven soldiers, that's for sure.

One thing you have to remember is these are only the things that happen supervised in prisons. How many innocents have been executed by soldiers on the streets? How many attrocities have gone unpunished by soldiers meant to be liberating this country? Would you feel any different if this was happening to Americans? This is why everyone hates America, take some responsibility for your actions for once, you've done wrong, real wrong, accept it and maybe you'll be forgiven.

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Submitted by knucklesnelson (user info) at 2005-09-07 19:41:25 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

haha you suck

Submitted by williamson (user info) at 2005-03-29 00:41:32 EST (#)
Ranking: 2

Fuck nuking, Freight.

Submitted by Freight_Train (user info) at 2005-03-29 00:18:25 EST (#)
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No Comment

Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2005-03-25 22:52:39 EST (#)
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This made me hate my country.

Where do I sign up to be a terrorist?

Submitted by nrduncan (user info) at 2005-03-25 22:37:03 EST (#)
Ranking: -2

No Comment

Submitted by strider (user info) at 2004-10-14 16:20:27 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

agreed.

Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2004-05-12 09:24:56 (#)
Ranking: -2

I reread this and I have to throw in a negative 2.

Where do you get this, "American soldiers repeadtedly abuse prisoners, much worse than what you've heard." Where did you get the inside scoop? How do you know what I have heard? I live in a Muslim country, I get exposed to a lot more anti American pro radical Muslim news than you do, and the stories from the prisons aren't much worse over here than I read on CNN. I still have yet to hear anything about rapin g of male and female children, or nay rapes for that matter.

I can honestly see how the pictures I saw in the prison could happen, but raping of children, that is a whole nother league of sickness.

Submitted by fucktard (user info) at 2004-10-04 02:20:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

No Comment

Submitted by gooberface (user info) at 2004-10-04 02:18:46 EDT (#)
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No Comment

Submitted by CoachMagirk27 (user info) at 2004-10-03 21:36:38 EDT (#)
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No Comment

Submitted by cigar (user info) at 2004-10-03 21:15:45 EDT (#)
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No Comment

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 03:09:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk dyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 03:08:41 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

"From the slinky"

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 03:08:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

And another thing that Irks me.

What do your pregnant girlfriend and a slinky have in common.

-They are not good things to fuck without protection! the metal fromt he linky went thru my peenie!

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 03:05:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Oh and by the way im fucking sick of my flat mate, he's so annoying he keeps saying dumb shit like "allah is god" "death to america" and "im going to keeeeeel that lettereman son of a thausand whores", fucking asshole tried to pay his rent in camels, what the hell he says hes a 'famous afghani terrorist" he thinks hes osama bin laden too.

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 03:03:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

I was just reading this information about wolverines, and apparantly the Iraqis have been using an even better way of spying. Its called Sand 2.0, it has a camera placed in every grain of sand , and its monitored by a giant tv made of Oil.

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 03:00:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Submitted by DenDen (user info) at 2004-05-13 15:46:33 (#)
Ranking: 0

I think that Falco might be the most honest Englishman (?) I have come across in years!
*


Honestly I am, I am the honest.

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 02:57:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

My sources for this information are water tight, i got the news from Mohammed Oilski a Iraqi/Polish reporter who said "if you dont believe me ask Mark"

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 02:55:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

the other day i was walking through downtown iraq, and some dude pulled a gun on me i was like "dude is that a good idea i mean really?" and he was like "falco you are a fucking genius, its true that this waterpistol cannot harm you and would waste water, allah would smite me for that and sent me to the eternal place of damnation which i heard was the united states", so naturally i said "son of allah, getting head is a wonderful experience", i guess he took it the wrong way.

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 02:52:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Also, if anyone is interested they found out all the 'torturing' the british *did* was a hoax. It was on the news a few minutes ago. I was talking to that guy who got his head chopped off before he went to iraq and he was annoying, he was like "im going to run iraq one day" do naturally i said "mate dont get a head of yourself", dumbass didnt take my advice.

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-15 02:48:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-13 07:50:53 (#)
Ranking: 2

I was there, they told me they just said they did. sorry to dissapoint



When i was in World war 1, you know just chilling i was talking to this French dude called Pierre BlancFlagSurrendweetmangefromageetduvin and he told me the french were jsut joking about fighting in the war. See they fooled everyone. That guy later became Adolf hitler, i still have some of the postcards he sent me from Auscwitz, nice guy.

Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-05-13 18:39:45 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

That sentance didn't make any sense falc.

Submitted by DenDen (user info) at 2004-05-13 15:46:33 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

I think that Falco might be the most honest Englishman (?) I have come across in years!

Submitted by RHFP (user info) at 2004-05-13 15:32:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

You're right about Americans not taking responsibility. It makes me want to leave this country. (Again)

Submitted by Mr_Insanity (user info) at 2004-05-13 15:15:37 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

-> Note. the only people i HATE are the French. They are a bunch of cowards. They did shit all in WW1 and WW2. Yet they decided to fight in the American Civil war! Just think how big England would be if the fucking French didnt exist.


Have you heard some French Lawyer, the same one supposedly representing Saddam Hussein, is suing (in the name of the Iraqi victims) the British government and army over their pictures and abuse claims.

Not the US through...


Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-05-13 10:33:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

No Comment

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-13 07:50:53 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

I was there, they told me they just said they did. sorry to dissapoint

Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-05-13 05:58:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Nigga please, France did most of the fighting for the allies in WW1.

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-13 05:45:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

Infact im killing someone RIGHT NOW

Submitted by Falco (user info) at 2004-05-13 05:05:42 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

I'm British. We like killing people. We are good at killing people. Along with the Spanish we've probably killed more people than any other country. Now:

WE are IN a WAR:

All is fair in love and war.

A war in which we (the coalition) have done some pretty bad stuff.

THEREFORE: We cannot expect that the *enemy* should treat *US* in any other way.


So someone gets their head chopped off?
- I tell you if i was an IRAQI and if i saw ANY person trying to change my beliefs i would fight to the death to stop them, and i would try my hardest to kill as many of *those* people as i could.


WAR
IS
WAR

PEOPLE
DIE

THATS
THE
POINT

-> Note. the only people i HATE are the French. They are a bunch of cowards. They did shit all in WW1 and WW2. Yet they decided to fight in the American Civil war! Just think how big England would be if the fucking French didnt exist.

Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-05-12 17:48:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

To insanethemind, things in NZ are good, I don't like that we have engineers in Iraq, but hey at least they aren't fighting. However with elections coming up we may end up having our tiny Army over there for god knows what reason other than to make us a target. To those who might say what the fuck do you know all the way over there? Well we get, American, French, German, Arabic, and a whole fuck load of other countries news here. So we get a pretty good view. Also you are right in telling me not to blame the whole country. However a lot of people voted for Bush, a lot still want to vote for him, and a lot more accept the bullshit that's feed down their throats by an incredibly bias media. Also if you want a bit of comparisson, our official news ain't much better than ABC.

Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-05-12 17:44:12 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

The last 7 -2s were all pathetic. Quite sad actually, indoninja was the only one that actually made any worthwhile point. 'you' was meant to be Americans, hence me bringing up American news and American senators and referring to 'you' having to take responsibility.

I should have put up some sources because most of you are to fucking lazy to get off your ass and watch anything other than your heavily bias media. However, since i've seen most of what I said on American news as well as all the other news we get here I had just assumed you weren't all fucking retarded. That guy volunteered to go over there, he knew the risks, these are innocent people and children taken off the streets, and 25 have died. That's a lot more than have been executed, how many people have been prosecuted over them? Two, no jail time for either. That's what I mean by taking responsibility, you think anyone gives a shit when someone as two faced as Bush apologises? The guy lies for a living, this was ignored by the military, people have to be punished or shit is just going to get worse. No one likes America, fucking figure it out. Oh and to Loren, being that i'm not American pretty much guarentees I know a fuck load more than you.

Also how can something be sanctioned by 'terrorists', is there some terrorist state with a government? Were these guys part of it? Most likely not, they were just some people who were pissed off like everyone at America and decided to do something about it.

Submitted by Slapshot99 (user info) at 2004-05-12 17:22:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

being military myself..........I hope to god assjacks like you aren't american.......you wouldn't deserve it

Submitted by Spiral_Abraxis (user info) at 2004-05-12 17:21:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Don't bother.

Submitted by NotApologizing (user info) at 2004-05-12 17:21:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Take responsibility for YOUR actions by swallowing whatever screen you cleaned sperm off of to find the submit button.

Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2004-05-12 17:09:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

oh and i didn't mean to appear so rude, knobb. how are things in NZ?

Submitted by Loren1 (user info) at 2004-05-12 14:31:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

"you? The prisoners aren't terrorists either, so don't try and make it out like that."

---------------------------------------

How the fuck do you even begin to THINK you know a single fucking thing about anything?



Go home and play with your knob, nobb. It's all you appear to be qualified to do.

Submitted by Insanethemind (user info) at 2004-05-12 13:54:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

your last sentence would irk me, if i were to be so easily irked.

***My government*** (not me!) is making stupid, inhumane choices.


Don't you go off and fucking blame the innocents in this country, who don't do shit with the military, or support these guys.

Don't blame most of the US military... I am sure 95% of them aren't doing such things.

Submitted by Nator (user info) at 2004-05-12 13:44:49 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Hmmblah.. rather stick to comments, nobb.

Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-05-12 13:44:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

+2 Because Bush supporters are so fucking stupid, just keep up the good work in Iraq, and keep your eyes ears and mouths shut.

Submitted by Kristen (user info) at 2004-05-12 13:41:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

You say that a small group of unsanctioned people were behind this beheading. Similarly a small group of soldiers stepped outside of their duties and their responsibilities and took justice in their own hands by humiliating and abusing prisoners. However, am I to understand that while the soldiers must face severe consequences for embarrassing a naked guy, the group behind the beheading of an innocent civilian are to be sympathized with because "big, bad America hurt their wittle feelings?"

Fuck that. Fuck you.

From the underlying tone of smugness resounating in this post and in quite a few of the replies, I can't help but think some of you are smiling behind a fake scowl. "YES! America's reputation was further tainted, down with that rotten country, WOO!" Sound eerily familiar, Nobb.

I'd suggest you remove your head from your ass and gain some real perspective. An. Innocent. Civilian. Was. Beheaded. He could have been from any country. Nick Berg could have been you, your mother, your best friend.

Caulaincourt, you have got to be amongst the most idiotic of people on this site. That's an esteemed position, congratulations. You're a piece of shit, clear as that.

Submitted by Random Joe at 2004-05-12 13:34:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

I say they should nuke the middle east and in return the middle east should nuke the U.S... I mean that is what most Americans want anyway right? Holy fucking shit both sides are blood thirsty religious nuts out for world domination (under the delusion that God has chosen them to lead a crusade againts evil), they should definitely join forces.

Submitted by shark25 (user info) at 2004-05-12 13:27:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Nobb I would like to hear answer some of these questions as to where you got your information and also answer some of these comments left.

Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2004-05-12 13:08:16 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Didn't do a thing? The investigation began in January, you idiot.

-2 for dumbassery.

Submitted by Luckystar (user info) at 2004-05-12 12:34:24 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

You're not from America, and your country probably isn't fighting either.. so your opinion doesn't count

and yes, BEHEADING a fucking telecommunications contractor is the exact same thing as making a prisoner frolick around nekkid. You are such an idiot. What if it were YOU over there, captured and beheaded, when you were over there trying to do your job, trying to REBUILD their fucking country for them?
Actually, I wish it were you

What happened to that kid kept me up ALL FUCKING NIGHT, thinking about it, feeling for him and his family. Yet no amount of grieving can ever replace him or take back what happened.

Submitted by Dino (user info) at 2004-05-12 11:35:19 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Fine, let's put this in perspective,

"One small group of unsanctioned people decide to behead someone" - Unfortunately they were sanctioned by hundreds of thousands of islamic terrorists around the world. They decalred war on all non muslims decades ago and many of them would love to behead all of us and will not stop until they do.

"Almost all the prisoners in Abu Ghraib are innocents" - There is no innocence in terrorists who want to, plan to or have killed coalition members. The cell block in Abu Ghraib in which these photos were taken containied the worst of the worst.

Republican Senators are not questioning why the investigation is taking place. As with most Americans they understand that crimes were committed and that the people that committed these atrocities do need to be brought to justice. Leave no doubt about it, these were crimes committed in Abu Ghraib and the people that committed the acts or ordered them must be held accountable for their actions. But, any attempt to equate the beheading of Nick Berg to the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners is absurd.

The animals that displayed Mr. Bergs head as a trophy are the faces of Evil in this world. They are not limited to the al Queda or Taliban in Afghanistan. They are the faces of all extreme islamic terrorists every where. They cannot be reasoned with nor will peace treaties be honored by them. They will continue there false "Jihad" until they kill every "non-beliver" or die.

May God be with the friends and family of Nick Berg.

Submitted by Mothyham (user info) at 2004-05-12 11:01:47 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

you suck.
how is a naked pigpile as bad as getting your head cut off?
The tactics at the prison were obviously cia driven and now the government is hiding behind a girl as a scapegoat.
Who cares anyway? the end is nigh.

Submitted by Fixer (user info) at 2004-05-12 11:00:43 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

Undoubtedly deserves no comment.

Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2004-05-12 10:46:40 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

First off, sorry.

Submitted by Mr_Insanity (user info) at 2004-05-12 09:23:59 (#)
Ranking: 0

Of course a question remains, how did these people/monsters/whatever get into these armies in the first place? I'm pretty sure there's mental screening as well the physical requirements. How is it these people were given this responsibility in the first place? One wonders why they are not on the 'front' line instead what is otherwise being 'security guards' in a jail.


The Nurenberg trial proved that the "ordinary" man is capable of anything.

Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2004-05-12 10:44:52 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0



Of course a question remains, how did these people/monsters/whatever get into these armies in the first place? I'm pretty sure there's mental screening as well the physical requirements. How is it these people were given this responsibility in the first place? One wonders why they are not on the 'front' line instead what is otherwise being 'security guards' in a jail.

Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2004-05-12 10:24:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-05-12 10:04:20 (#)
Ranking: 2

I believe it was the Pentagon report that identified at least 70% of the prisoners as innocents caught up in what is infamously being called "the fog of war".
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Thanks, I think I had heard that as well, but I have heard nothing about how long they are kept there, or maybe that is the problem. And as callous as it sounds i think it is better to have few innocent people locked up for a while than letting some psycho loose who is going to bomb US soilders, or innocent Iraqs. I do realize that isn't what the US should stand for, but in this case if Iraq is ever going to have a democracy, then it is needed.


I would still like to hear if anyone has heard of rapes, especially of children.

Submitted by ess2s2 (user info) at 2004-05-12 10:18:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

You know what?

I encourage everyone in this thread to read the book called "1984". And while I realize some of you already have, I encourage you to read it again. Focus on how the Government uses the media to control the thoughts and actions of its people. We aren't quite at that level yet, but we're getting close.



Submitted by loki (user info) at 2004-05-12 10:04:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2

I believe it was the Pentagon report that identified at least 70% of the prisoners as innocents caught up in what is infamously being called "the fog of war".

Submitted by shark25 (user info) at 2004-05-12 09:28:21 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1

Yeah this is very incoherent but at least you are putting your views out there. However most the people in those photos were murders. Come on buddy don't get way out there about these are innocent people. These are men who tried to kill American soldiers. It does not make it right what the soldiers did to them and it was wrong. So is cutting off a civilian's head. Which that was who this victim was. He was a civilian and not a solider.

-1 because I disagree and it is written poorly but if you would have wrote it better it would have been a 0.

Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2004-05-12 09:24:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2

I reread this and I have to throw in a negative 2.

Where do you get this, "American soldiers repeadtedly abuse prisoners, much worse than what you've heard." Where did you get the inside scoop? How do you know what I have heard? I live in a Muslim country, I get exposed to a lot more anti American pro radical Muslim news than you do, and the stories from the prisons aren't much worse over here than I read on CNN. I still have yet to hear anything about rapin g of male and female children, or nay rapes for that matter.

I can honestly see how the pictures I saw in the prison could happen, but raping of children, that is a whole nother league of sickness.

Submitted by Mr_Insanity (user info) at 2004-05-12 09:23:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

The British are being accused of the same things, things just as bad, and there's less of us to commit them. If this is true (looks likely), I think the British are getting off VERY lightly, regardless of whether they were under American orders or not.

But at least the American government admits there's a problem, Blair still keeps saying the British troop stories/pictures are fake. If proven wrong, the only logical step is that he has to resign immediately. Won't happen because he's power mad.

Sadly, I think this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Of course a question remains, how did these people/monsters/whatever get into these armies in the first place? I'm pretty sure there's mental screening as well the physical requirements. How is it these people were given this responsibility in the first place? One wonders why they are not on the 'front' line instead what is otherwise being 'security guards' in a jail.

Also I notice the way the 'very top' of the command chain is being blamed but very few comments are falling on the people directly responsible for these individuals; the captains, commanders, generals who assigned these people and are directly in charge of them. What's happening to them?

And althrough evil and wrong, the recent 'decapitation' and otehr western deaths has done one good thing and that's highlighted the REAL problems and the REAL (extreme) reactions to these events, and hopefully it was stop this originally became which was a media political witchhunt and blame game.

Submitted by Rixes (user info) at 2004-05-12 09:20:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1

Society is like one big episode of Jerry Springer. America is the hot bitch who is constantly yelling "Your just jealous". In this case she's actually right though. It doesn't make it any better that the hate isn't justified but, there you have it.

I need more cowbell.

Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2004-05-12 09:19:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0

Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:49:48 (#)
Ranking: 2

This is why everyone hates America, take some responsibility for your actions for once, you've done wrong, real wrong, accept it and maybe you'll be forgiven.
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Everyone from Bush down to the commander of the prison has apoligized, and accepted responsibility, people are being prosecuted.


Nobb,
You said "There is evidence that soldiers raped both male and female children," where did you see this? Was it from the same evidence that turned out to be porns made in turkey to sell for profit and to incite people against Americans? I have been following this pretty closely and even Arab online news sources have no claims of rape with a shread of evidence or testamony from victims, especially rape of children. Can you please put a link to this?

You also said "Almost all the prisoners in Abu Ghraib are innocents picked up because they had possesion of a gun (remember this is the most dangerous place on Earth)and are released after three months without being charged." Is everyone held there for three months? Do you have any or even seen any facts or figures for what people were picked up for, and how long they are held? I think this is probably coming from a few people who came out of their with horror stories. How many people came out of there with nothing bad to say? i am sure someone isn't going to recommend it to their friends after staying there, but a lot of people have been through that prison, and not everyone has a horror story about being there for three months for no reason. I am not defending what went on in those pictures, I am not defending taking innocent people away from their families for 3 months. But on the same hand there are a lot of crazy militants running around trying to kill US soilders or any Iraq's that work with them, how would you know who is who if you find someone with a gun? How do you try to restore order there with so many violent factions and radicals running around? Innocent people are going to spend some time in jail, it can't be avoided.

I do agree with you that what has been shown in some of those pictures is inexcusable. The US should not behave like that, or any country that thinks of itself as the good guy. I think it is retarted that people are saying that they deserve that because they way Iraq's treated prisoners (yes they murdered americans before the beheading video, but that doesn't matter).

Submitted by Nobb (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:56:08 EDT (#)
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Oh i'm not saying that this type of thing hasn't happened before, because it has many times. However, America is the only Western country to pull this shit recently (well Britian too I guess since they were in the prison as well, but this was under American command structure).

I'm sorry this was rather incoherent, i'm in the middle of writing an essay and was watching the American news we get here (ABC World news tonight) and it pissed me off, how bias your news is and how arrogant everyone they interview seems to be. I didn't have time to type a more credible post which in hindsight I should have. For those reading this, please look past the bad grammar and structure and focus on the point.

Submitted by slowlyrotting (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:52:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:51:08 (#)
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what he said

Submitted by Judoka (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:51:08 EDT (#)
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Leaving aside the war crimes both real and imagined.

People hate the US because at the moment we are THE power in the world. And global communication being what it is people are quickly aware of what is happening world wide. Just remember that for every single American atrocity a European nation was there first raping the women and exploiting the natural resources for themselves.

If you mention the shameful way we treated our indiginous population, I'll remind you that it was a logical extention of the English, Spanish and Dutch policy.

Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:49:48 EDT (#)
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This is why everyone hates America, take some responsibility for your actions for once, you've done wrong, real wrong, accept it and maybe you'll be forgiven.


Submitted by funk_boy (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:44:45 EDT (#)
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"There is evidence that soldiers raped both male and female children. Which is worse I ask of you"

Surely it depends on the orifice, I need more information to answer this.

Submitted by DenDen (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:44:35 EDT (#)
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I think that most of this is rather incoherent, but I agree that the one crime does not justify another.

In a nutshell, I think that it is accurate to say that most countries hate the US because of our foreign policy, which has been screwed up for years. Even if we picked up and went home now, we would still be hated--because we would have to take our foreign aid with us. Remember, this money is and alsways has been given to get people to fall in line with our policies. Washington simply isn't going to give anyone money if the politicians involved do not think that they will be getting something in return.

Personally, I think that we should take our troops and our money and go home. Then, when all are safely back within our borders, I think we should reinstitute a little thing called the TARIFF anc call it a lesson well learned!

Submitted by youarsoghey (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:44:12 EDT (#)
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Because I feel bad that you had to endure that last review. People who type "u" and "ur" need to be shot. Repeatedly.

Submitted by bugga (user info) at 2004-05-12 08:41:20 EDT (#)
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War is a cunt, so is life, u think u can do a better job of makin the world a better place, go for ur life, i aint even american an i say blow the fuckers up. Take away everything they got to fight for.


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