Abortion; Lets have a constructive debate (356 hits)
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Submitted by <monkeylove.at.easy.com> (View user info) at 2008-05-19 07:03:49 EDT
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n.b Stolen from every site I have ever looked at
HISTORY 1
Abortion has been practiced in the United States since the founding of the Republic, but both its social character and its legal status have varied considerably. Through the early decades of the nineteenth century, Americans regarded abortion primarily as the recourse of women wronged by duplicitous suitors or pregnant as the result of illicit relationships, though records exist of married women having abortions. Americans tolerated the practice, which had long been legal under colonial common law and remained legal under American common law, provided the pregnancy was terminated before quickening: the first perception of fetal movement by the woman. Quickening generally occurs near the midpoint of gestation.
HISTORY 2
As married women moved to lower their fertility rates after 1830, abortion became a widespread practice in the United States. Abortionists advertised in the daily press and pharmaceutical firms competed in a lucrative market of purported abortifacients. Women spoke to each other and to their doctors in straightforward terms about their abortions. When physicians estimated American abortion rates in the 1860s and 1870s, they used figures strikingly close to those of the 1960s and 1970s: approximately one abortion for every four live births.
HISTORY 3
In the middle decades of the nineteenth century several state legislatures began to restrict the increasingly common practice of abortion. Some lawmakers feared for the safety of women undergoing abortions. Others reacted negatively to what they considered indecent advertising. Concerned about falling birthrates, many opposed all forms of fertility control, not just abortion. Doctors with the aid of microscopes discovered that conception happened when the newly discovered female egg and the sperm unite. Up to this point people believed that life began when the mother felt the baby move. A moment known as "quickening". It was not the clergy, but the American Medical Association ama, founded in 1847, that the greatest pressure for legal change came from.
HISTORY 4
The antiabortion laws and legal decisions of the second half of the nineteenth century, though seldom and selectively enforced, drove the practice of abortion underground. Substantial numbers of women, especially immigrant women with limited access to other (also illegal) methods of fertility control, nonetheless continued to have abortions. Surveys conducted under the auspices of the ama and the federal government confirmed the persistence of widespread abortion in the United States through the 1930s.
Now that's the history done with.
CONS
Before 1973, abortions were performed illegally, and in unskilled ways. many women died from the awful infections and intense bleeding. In some cases, it also caused a permanent inability to have children.
Hangers and other sharp objects were often used in these illegal abortions. The fact is , since abortion became legal in 1973, deaths from abortion are rare and unlikely. In 1973, the risk was 3.4 deaths per 100,000 women; by 1985, it had dropped to .4 deaths per 100,000.
Adoption over abortion? there is one abortion performed every four seconds; 24 hours a day. for every baby lost to abortion, there are at least ten families that would love to have taken the baby. for a healthy baby there is a 2-4 year wait and could cost as much as $10,000 to $15,000
I believe there are many people wanting babies, but it's hard to believe there are 10 families for ever abortion.
PROS
According to statistics done on women treated for severe depression and suicidal tendencies, many are tracked back to an abortion. For some women it takes years, it can also hit them after they become mothers and morn the loss of the baby they chose to abort.
Once teen-agers can no longer hide pregnancies through abortions, their attitudes about sex change and are less likely to engage in risky behavior..
A law won't change a teen-ager's desire to keep news of her pregnancy from her parents, but it might force her to obtain an illegal abortion instead.
CON
Some parents are not as understanding as others. It is quite possible some girls my fear for their life, in this situation. In the past girls have risked their lives getting illegal abortions in unsanitary conditions from people who did not known what they were doing.
IN EXODUS 21:22 If a person causes a pregnant woman to loss the child, the offender is fined. but if the woman is killed its life for life.
FINAL CON
Two researchers have concluded that legalizing abortion in the United States in the 1970s led to the drop in crime seen in the country two decades later, the Chicago Tribune reported 8/8/99 The study said the drop in crime rates came roughly 20 years after the U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion. Five states that had legalized abortion before the Supreme Court decision saw drops in crime before the rest of the country, the study added. Areas with high abortion rates in general have seen greater drops in crime rates about 15 percent more in the 1990s than areas where there were fewer abortions, the study said.
Anyway, if you are going to kill your own child you dont deserve to be a mother. Or is it that you are thinking about the child and you don't want it brought into a life where you cannot support it?
Or are you just being selfish?
or are you that stupid you cant wear a condom/take a pill?
Ok ok, I know things can fail but in the majority of cases they dont. It's an excuse.
People, dont look at whose fault it is, it doesn't matter.
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Submitted by STIXS (user info) at 2008-05-19 10:51:26 EDT (#)
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Tom Lehrer didn't mean it when he told you to plagiarize...
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2008-05-19 10:28:11 EDT (#)
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He didn't label anything.
http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/ABORTION_DEBATE.HTM
Submitted by STIXS (user info) at 2008-05-19 10:22:04 EDT (#)
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Why did you label a drop in crime rate as a con instead of a pro?
Submitted by Aussie_em (user info) at 2008-05-19 09:51:30 EDT (#)
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abortions taste great with some bbq sauce
Submitted by Naery (user info) at 2008-05-19 09:30:26 EDT (#)
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i'm all for abortions. i don't think just anyone should be having kids. i'm not in a place, financially or emotionally, where my wife and i should have a kid. abortions are not murder; they're a preemptive strike on a shitty life. they're also a way to prevent my life/sanity from heading down the crapper.
there should be a new superhero for kids to idolize and worship called Captain Abortion, or Abortion Prime, or something like that, to teach them about the awesomeness of abortions. Cause, hey, let's face it, if they're around to see the cartoons, they'll feel so much more valuable that they weren't aborted. speaking of which, Microsoft is already priming us with their "abort, retry, fail" options, which i'm fairly certain are pretty psychologically instructive.
in any case, since america has separated the moral compass of religion from the dominance factory of state, the only two things left to use to make the decision of whether abortion is kewl or teh ghey are logic and whim. considering the evidence, i'd say our politicians will be (ab)using whim.
btw, nice, uh, debate...
Submitted by Circe (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:35:04 EDT (#)
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Some people might call it "a huge moral decision not to be undertaken lightly, with lasting ramifications both physical and psychological for everyone involved." I call it "What did I do last night? Better vacuum out the old uterus just to be on the safe side."
Submitted by Toshi (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:29:12 EDT (#)
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Life is not cheap. Buy condoms, buy the pill, it's quite simple really.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:27:20 EDT (#)
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Yeah, but they don't do a lighthearted post about it on Uber.
Life is not cheap.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:26:02 EDT (#)
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I really don't want to be the party pooper that breaks your streak.
Submitted by Toshi (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:19:44 EDT (#)
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Abortions are a way of life in Greece.
Submitted by Nellypaal (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:18:27 EDT (#)
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Too late in this instance, unfortunately.
Submitted by Anansie (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:17:38 EDT (#)
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Pshhh. Abortions are a great way to lose that extra weight you gain when you're pregnant.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:15:14 EDT (#)
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I want to late term abort you.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:06:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:06:31 EDT (#)
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http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/ABORTION_DEBATE.HTM
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On the debate side of things, there's absolutely nothing wrong with abortion.
Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2008-05-19 07:05:17 EDT (#)
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