IRS/Federal Income Taxes Unlawful? Why should we support Ed and Elain Brown? (1723 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2007-06-14 02:09:07 EDT
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6124991969908841611
In case you don't know, a New Hampshire man named Ed Brown has holed himself up in his home in an effort to resist the federal government and its unconstitutional taxation. Here is an independent journalist who has spent time with and interviewed Ed Brown talking about the growing tyranny of the American Federal Government and its unlawful seizing of undue power.
For an even more in depth discussion of income tax law, watch "America: From Freedom to Fascism" (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173). Or maybe check out this book, aptly named ",Federal Mafia: How It Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Income Taxes" I have not had the pleasure of reading it yet, but apparently it's pretty good since the U.S. Government has banned its sale and ditribution! http://www.givemeliberty.org/NoRedress/Update06-30B-03.htm
Find out why a growing number of Americans are standing up to their government and refusing to pay Federal Income Taxes.
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Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-06-18 02:39:36 EDT (#)
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Property taxes can be lumped in with "illegal taxes" as well. They are used to force people out of their homes by simply raising property rates... The government can virtually take anyone's home.
The democrats will whine if you don't tax, you do understand...because pork spending projects and funding BS things (my town is putting up a Civil War museum with federal funds...oddly enough, it was many miles from any real military action.)
If Ron Paul wasn't such a fanatic, I'd support him. I wouldn't cry if he was elected, however. The fact that the "truthers" are flocking to him (such as yourself) and the neo-nazi's love him makes me think something is real bad with him.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-06-17 12:49:35 EDT (#)
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I read hardly any of Indoninja's post there, and have little ides what he and Bart are arguing about, but I did skim through it, and I do agree that middle-class Westerners need to stop refering to themselves as part of some sort of oppressed mass, because they are they elite, because they are in the top 5% economically.
Submitted by Bushy (user info) at 2007-06-17 06:41:01 EDT (#)
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this post must not die. ETS must be held accountable for his brash statement and subsequent ownage. i want either a quality rebuttal, or more likely, a video of ETS eating his own shit.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-16 21:31:41 EDT (#)
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I just re-read what I posted, and I must be more hammered than I thought, because the spelling, puncuation and grammatical errors are all over the place.
But I am still right.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-16 21:27:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-06-16 03:44:05 EDT (#)
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"If congress passed it, and the consitiution doesn't forbid it, it is legal."
This is also not true and is a matter of opinion.
The first amendment as written doesn't make any mention of granting corporations the right to bribe politicians, however this is what justifies all of the campaign contributions that dictate the current political spectrum. Corporations are considered "persons" with the right to free speech which includes giving millions of dollars in cash to politician in exchange for political power.
The fourth amendment guarantees one's right to personal security in papers and effects unless a search warrant has been issued, but this has been negated by the war on drugs and now more so by the war on terror.
According to the federal government, all of these actions are justified legally. What does that mean? Simply put, it means the government is acting outside the boundaries within which it has been authorized to act.
The constitution does not exist as a list of citizen's rights. It exists as a finite description of what the federal is allowed to do. The now completely irrelevant ninth amendment states that any rights not granted to the federal government are left to the individual states.
You may think you know the first amendment of the constitution, but the way it's written, the state of Illinois could pass a law forbidding the religion of Islam or speech criticizing the government. If you read the first amendment, it very clearly says "Congress shall make no law..." and since the state of Illinois is not the US Congress, the first amendment does not apply at the state level.
Point is, in common law, the intent of the law authors is as important as the wording of the law itself. This concept is corrupted by the elite who abuse anything that can be abused to further their own goals, but for the rest of the common folk, this concept still applies.
Based on this and the intent with which the 16th amendment was passed, the income tax as it exists today is illegal. Then again, so is the war on drugs, the war on terror, and the FCC. Big fucking deal.
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"It exists as a finite description of what the federal is allowed to do."
No the constitution is a "finite description" of what the govt is not allowed to do, and what rights we have.
I don't think I know the first ammendment, I know it. The states by joining the USA are legally bound to protect the rights spelled out in the constitution, not only that but they are explicitly forbidden from trampling on them.
"Point is" once you enter the realm of intent or spirit it becomes very subjective.
Income tax is completely legal. I will pretend for a second it isn't, but guess what the entire judicial branch (that is also spelled out int he constitution) agrees with me.
I am amused by your termonology. Guess what Bart, you ARE the elite. You are in the top 5% of the world, maybe higher, and I am guessing you try to pay as little taxes as possible. By all means rage against the tax laws or loopholes but you are either ignorant or stupid if you pretend you are part of an underclass.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-06-16 03:44:05 EDT (#)
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"If congress passed it, and the consitiution doesn't forbid it, it is legal."
This is also not true and is a matter of opinion.
The first amendment as written doesn't make any mention of granting corporations the right to bribe politicians, however this is what justifies all of the campaign contributions that dictate the current political spectrum. Corporations are considered "persons" with the right to free speech which includes giving millions of dollars in cash to politician in exchange for political power.
The fourth amendment guarantees one's right to personal security in papers and effects unless a search warrant has been issued, but this has been negated by the war on drugs and now more so by the war on terror.
According to the federal government, all of these actions are justified legally. What does that mean? Simply put, it means the government is acting outside the boundaries within which it has been authorized to act.
The constitution does not exist as a list of citizen's rights. It exists as a finite description of what the federal is allowed to do. The now completely irrelevant ninth amendment states that any rights not granted to the federal government are left to the individual states.
You may think you know the first amendment of the constitution, but the way it's written, the state of Illinois could pass a law forbidding the religion of Islam or speech criticizing the government. If you read the first amendment, it very clearly says "Congress shall make no law..." and since the state of Illinois is not the US Congress, the first amendment does not apply at the state level.
Point is, in common law, the intent of the law authors is as important as the wording of the law itself. This concept is corrupted by the elite who abuse anything that can be abused to further their own goals, but for the rest of the common folk, this concept still applies.
Based on this and the intent with which the 16th amendment was passed, the income tax as it exists today is illegal. Then again, so is the war on drugs, the war on terror, and the FCC. Big fucking deal.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-06-16 02:32:33 EDT (#)
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Jack, the "when you are my age you will agree with my politics" arguement is bullshit. The change from demographic to demographic is mild, and there are many people from every political position in each one. I am 17 and more right-wing than anyone I know.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-16 02:18:59 EDT (#)
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Im still waiting for his admission of being wrong and the video of him eating his own shit as stated earlier.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-06-15 17:35:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-14 19:54:37 EDT (#)
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The fact is I DID refuse to file a tax return for the year 2005. I owed the Feds $178, and I DID NOT PAY IT initially. I emailed the White House and told them what I was doing and why. I gave the $178 to charity instead. All this I did do.
At some point, my wife-to-be and I discovered that this would severely hamper our plans to get married and for her to immigrate here, so I paid the tax plus late fee months after the April deadline. It was a tough choice to make to reneg on that stance, but it was the wise thing for me to do at that time all things considered. I did it for her, because I love her, but I don't expect you to understand that. Life is full of difficult choices, and I don't claim to be perfect, I just didn't want to sit and do nothing.
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Heh heh heh. Yes. Yessssssss. The first step has been taken. HAHAHA!
The funny thing is that by the time you are my age you will probably be as much of a right wing conservative bastard as I am.
As you get older you realize that all the peace & love & let's hug bullshit is never gonna accomplish anything and you'll start fighting for whatever piece of the pie you can claim and keep it safe. Compromising on youthful ideals isn't so hard when you have a warm, safe house to sleep in and money in the bank if you need it. And a strong door to keep out all the crazy liberal socialist fucks who want to share in your stuff since they have none of their own after a lifetime of 'standing up to the man' instead of working and paying off a mortgage.
Æsop. (Sixth century B.C.) Fables.
The Harvard Classics. 1909-14.
The Ant and the Grasshopper
IN a field one summer's day a Grasshopper was hopping about, chirping and singing to its heart's content. An Ant passed by, bearing along with great toil an ear of corn he was taking to the nest.
"Why not come and chat with me," said the Grasshopper, "instead of toiling and moiling in that way?"
"I am helping to lay up food for the winter," said the Ant, "and recommend you to do the same."
"Why bother about winter?" said the Grasshopper; "we have got plenty of food at present."
But the Ant went on its way and continued its toil.
When the winter came the Grasshopper had no food, and found itself dying of hunger, while it saw the ants distributing every day corn and grain from the stores they had collected in the summer.
Then the Grasshopper knew:
"IT IS BEST TO PREPARE FOR THE DAYS OF NECESSITY."
Submitted by William_Q_Percy (user info) at 2007-06-15 17:14:47 EDT (#)
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Wow... $178 is big time.
I am surprised they let you get away with that for so many months. What was the interest owing on that? 75 cents?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-15 17:08:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-14 8:54:37 CDT (#)
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The fact is I DID refuse to file a tax return for the year 2005. I owed the Feds $178, and I DID NOT PAY IT initially. I emailed the White House and told them what I was doing and why. I gave the $178 to charity instead. All this I did do.
At some point, my wife-to-be and I discovered that this would severely hamper our plans to get married and for her to immigrate here, so I paid the tax plus late fee months after the April deadline. It was a tough choice to make to reneg on that stance, but it was the wise thing for me to do at that time all things considered. I did it for her, because I love her, but I don't expect you to understand that. Life is full of difficult choices, and I don't claim to be perfect, I just didn't want to sit and do nothing.
But whatever. I really don't care what any of you think about it as I didn't do it for your benefit.
I'll get to the tax question a little later. I'm not giving up on it, I've got a rodeo to go to.
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"I DID NOT PAY IT initially" Mean you payed it.
The wise thing would be to not make outrageous claims you don't have the balls to back up.
You are such a mealy mouthed little cunt. You said you were willing to go to jail. Do you think you would be abe to be close to filthy if you were in jail???
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that's because he thinks that jail is supposed to be comfortable and fun. he tells everyone to stand up for something yet he backs off on his own initiatives.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-15 16:55:25 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-14 8:54:37 CDT (#)
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The fact is I DID refuse to file a tax return for the year 2005. I owed the Feds $178, and I DID NOT PAY IT initially. I emailed the White House and told them what I was doing and why. I gave the $178 to charity instead. All this I did do.
At some point, my wife-to-be and I discovered that this would severely hamper our plans to get married and for her to immigrate here, so I paid the tax plus late fee months after the April deadline. It was a tough choice to make to reneg on that stance, but it was the wise thing for me to do at that time all things considered. I did it for her, because I love her, but I don't expect you to understand that. Life is full of difficult choices, and I don't claim to be perfect, I just didn't want to sit and do nothing.
But whatever. I really don't care what any of you think about it as I didn't do it for your benefit.
I'll get to the tax question a little later. I'm not giving up on it, I've got a rodeo to go to.
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"I DID NOT PAY IT initially" Mean you payed it.
The wise thing would be to not make outrageous claims you don't have the balls to back up.
You are such a mealy mouthed little cunt. You said you were willing to go to jail. Do you think you would be abe to be close to filthy if you were in jail???
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-15 16:47:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-06-14 16:22:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-14 06:07:59 CDT (#)
"What point do you agree with?
The legality of income tax laws is very clear.
Nothing you mentioned is illegal, except the bribes.
I am all for change, but it can't begin with baseless claims that things are illegal."
The tax law is very clear that taxes are mandatory? No shit. According to the FDA, the drug laws are very clear as well.
The income tax was legalized by the XVI Amendment to the US Constitution. The intent of that amendment was to restrain the uncontrolled accumulation of wealth by the wealthy. This intent can be seen from the other laws in the realm of corporate banking and antitrust that were passed at the same time. Meaning in general, the point of the income tax was to prevent the runaway income of the country's richest people.
The tax as it works today is primarily a means of garnishing wages from the poor and middle class people. The wealthiest people have the desire and means by which to exploit loopholes in the system to pay less than their fair share of taxes.
That was the point of my original comment. The tax system as it exists today is illegal because it violates the spirit of the constitutional amendment that legalized it. Of course the federal government and the IRS are going to disagree with that because the federal income tax is a large source of money to fill the coffers that they can later pillage for their own personal political goals.
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Being against the spirit, which is an opinion, does not make it illegal.
By that logic environmental protection laws are illegal.
If congress passed it, and the consitiution doesn't forbid it, it is legal.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-06-15 09:56:16 EDT (#)
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I'm still waiting to hear about how income tax is unconstitutional, despite it being in the Constitution. And no, nothing in that amendment says corporate tax.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-15 09:25:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-14 09:13:40 EDT (#)
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Unless you walk the walk on this your posturing is absurd.
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I seem to recall ETS mentioning that he intended to do just that, here and elsewhere (like http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A11305450). Walkin' enough, maybe?
he later admited he didn't do it hence my comment old sprout.
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Ah. Position rethought. Well played, sir.
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The fact is I DID refuse to file a tax return for the year 2005. I owed the Feds $178, and I DID NOT PAY IT initially. I emailed the White House and told them what I was doing and why. I gave the $178 to charity instead. All this I did do.
At some point, my wife-to-be and I discovered that this would severely hamper our plans to get married and for her to immigrate here, so I paid the tax plus late fee months after the April deadline. It was a tough choice to make to reneg on that stance, but it was the wise thing for me to do at that time all things considered. I did it for her, because I love her, but I don't expect you to understand that. Life is full of difficult choices, and I don't claim to be perfect, I just didn't want to sit and do nothing.
But whatever. I really don't care what any of you think about it as I didn't do it for your benefit.
I'll get to the tax question a little later. I'm not giving up on it, I've got a rodeo to go to.
actually to be fair to old brad here, he's being honest even though it undermines him. He could have easily lied. This is the interweb after all.
Also LOL @ Caul.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2007-06-15 04:49:17 EDT (#)
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TOTALLY PWND BELOW.
The humiliation must be unbearable.
(auto show of hands +2)
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-14 19:54:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-14 09:13:40 EDT (#)
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Unless you walk the walk on this your posturing is absurd.
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I seem to recall ETS mentioning that he intended to do just that, here and elsewhere (like http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A11305450). Walkin' enough, maybe?
he later admited he didn't do it hence my comment old sprout.
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Ah. Position rethought. Well played, sir.
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The fact is I DID refuse to file a tax return for the year 2005. I owed the Feds $178, and I DID NOT PAY IT initially. I emailed the White House and told them what I was doing and why. I gave the $178 to charity instead. All this I did do.
At some point, my wife-to-be and I discovered that this would severely hamper our plans to get married and for her to immigrate here, so I paid the tax plus late fee months after the April deadline. It was a tough choice to make to reneg on that stance, but it was the wise thing for me to do at that time all things considered. I did it for her, because I love her, but I don't expect you to understand that. Life is full of difficult choices, and I don't claim to be perfect, I just didn't want to sit and do nothing.
But whatever. I really don't care what any of you think about it as I didn't do it for your benefit.
I'll get to the tax question a little later. I'm not giving up on it, I've got a rodeo to go to.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-06-14 19:16:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-06-14 17:19:48 EDT (#)
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electrictoothsyndrome: Furiously searching the web for info to debonk bob (http://www.ubersite.com/m/109236#2441931) since 2007-06-14 03:00 EDT
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debonk? hahahahaha
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2007-06-14 18:17:37 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:56:28 EDT (#)
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http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
Post you eating your own shit.
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This sad man won't do a thing. He's just gonna come up with some lame runaround, that will be equally debunked, and repeat his process.
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Hoping that one day, somebody will give a fuck what some paranoid anarchist thinks.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 18:01:08 EDT (#)
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hahahhaahahhaha
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2007-06-14 17:19:48 EDT (#)
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electrictoothsyndrome: Furiously searching the web for info to debonk bob (http://www.ubersite.com/m/109236#2441931) since 2007-06-14 03:00 EDT
Submitted by God_Is_My_Mate (user info) at 2007-06-14 17:13:31 EDT (#)
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
Submitted by DCWoody (user info) at 2007-06-14 16:52:20 EDT (#)
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taxation isn't illegal you tit.
Have you ever been right about anything?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 16:32:36 EDT (#)
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ETS normally checks his posts ever 20 seconds...now that I caught him he hasnt posted since...
hmm...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-14 16:25:59 EDT (#)
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only a few years ago did i realize that the IRS wasn't just a wrestler with a suitcase.
FUCKED UP!
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-06-14 16:22:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-14 06:07:59 CDT (#)
"What point do you agree with?
The legality of income tax laws is very clear.
Nothing you mentioned is illegal, except the bribes.
I am all for change, but it can't begin with baseless claims that things are illegal."
The tax law is very clear that taxes are mandatory? No shit. According to the FDA, the drug laws are very clear as well.
The income tax was legalized by the XVI Amendment to the US Constitution. The intent of that amendment was to restrain the uncontrolled accumulation of wealth by the wealthy. This intent can be seen from the other laws in the realm of corporate banking and antitrust that were passed at the same time. Meaning in general, the point of the income tax was to prevent the runaway income of the country's richest people.
The tax as it works today is primarily a means of garnishing wages from the poor and middle class people. The wealthiest people have the desire and means by which to exploit loopholes in the system to pay less than their fair share of taxes.
That was the point of my original comment. The tax system as it exists today is illegal because it violates the spirit of the constitutional amendment that legalized it. Of course the federal government and the IRS are going to disagree with that because the federal income tax is a large source of money to fill the coffers that they can later pillage for their own personal political goals.
Submitted by MaesterMeat (user info) at 2007-06-14 15:53:55 EDT (#)
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ETS stopped posting... Bob demands a video shit feast. Hmmm. I will troll here to see how this one turns out.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-06-14 15:09:38 EDT (#)
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In fact, that kind of taxation is unconstitutional.
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no, it's not - perhaps you should crack open a book sometime, you lazy ass. As my best friend rob berg likes to say, YOU ARE WILLFULLY IGNORANT
Amendment XVI
(Ratified February 3, 1913)
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Submitted by ilikesteak (user info) at 2007-06-14 14:51:59 EDT (#)
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THANK YOU FOR INFORMING THE MASSES.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 13:56:58 EDT (#)
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i agree.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-14 13:51:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 13:33:23 EDT (#)
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I DEMAND, AS PER TERMS OF YOUR AGREEMENT, YOU EAT YOUR OWN SHIT AND POST IT!
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And it better be your shit, not filthy's.
I don't want to see any of the scat movies you two make.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 13:33:23 EDT (#)
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I DEMAND, AS PER TERMS OF YOUR AGREEMENT, YOU EAT YOUR OWN SHIT AND POST IT!
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-06-14 11:26:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-14 09:13:40 EDT (#)
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Unless you walk the walk on this your posturing is absurd.
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I seem to recall ETS mentioning that he intended to do just that, here and elsewhere (like http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A11305450). Walkin' enough, maybe?
he later admited he didn't do it hence my comment old sprout.
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Ah. Position rethought. Well played, sir.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2007-06-14 11:20:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:56:28 EDT (#)
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http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
Post you eating your own shit.
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A winner is you!
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-14 10:47:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-14 09:13:40 EDT (#)
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Unless you walk the walk on this your posturing is absurd.
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I seem to recall ETS mentioning that he intended to do just that, here and elsewhere (like http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A11305450). Walkin' enough, maybe?
he later admited he didn't do it hence my comment old sprout.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-14 10:22:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:56:28 EDT (#)
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http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
Post you eating your own shit.
rofl how is he gonna try and weasel his way out of this one
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-14 09:13:40 EDT (#)
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Unless you walk the walk on this your posturing is absurd.
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I seem to recall ETS mentioning that he intended to do just that, here and elsewhere (like http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A11305450). Walkin' enough, maybe?
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If he actually did it, but he is full of shit and didn't.
Go ahead, ask him.
He will beat around the bush, use filthy coming as an excuse (he couldn't sponsor her unless he paid his taxes), but it all comes down to him not having the balls ot do what he says.
If he went to jail (which he said he would "I'll go to jail before I allow my leaders to compromise my personal principles anymore") he wouldn't be able to see filthy. Of course since he didn't have enough conviction in his fight against the man not to see filthy, I doubt he has the fortitude to go to jail over it.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-14 10:17:30 EDT (#)
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the first video was terrible.
"the govt doesn't want you to see this movie"
ZZzzzZZzzzz
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-14 10:10:28 EDT (#)
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at least he had more balls than you.
thank you for pasting yet another infowars.com article
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-06-14 09:53:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-14 09:13:40 EDT (#)
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Unless you walk the walk on this your posturing is absurd.
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I seem to recall ETS mentioning that he intended to do just that, here and elsewhere (like http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A11305450). Walkin' enough, maybe?
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-06-14 09:13:40 EDT (#)
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Unless you walk the walk on this your posturing is absurd.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-14 08:37:41 EDT (#)
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"independent journalist"
That means independent from a real paying job, not independent of his parents basement, right?
Submitted by raebuf (user info) at 2007-06-14 08:24:21 EDT (#)
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WOW THIS IS SO FUCKING INSIGHTFUL BRAD.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-06-14 08:21:19 EDT (#)
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Fuck you.
Submitted by Flapjacksupreme (user info) at 2007-06-14 08:15:57 EDT (#)
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Except you found it on amazon and not ebay :)
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-14 08:13:44 EDT (#)
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"Or maybe check out this book, aptly named ",Federal Mafia: How It Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Income Taxes" I have not had the pleasure of reading it yet, but apparently it's pretty good since the U.S. Government has banned its sale and ditribution! http://www.givemeliberty.org/NoRedress/Update06-30B-03.htm "
Do you even read your own links?
That was from 2003, and I couldn't find a single news paper or real news source covering the so called "banning of the book. however, I could find it for sale on ebay http://www.amazon.com/Federal-Mafia-Illegally-Unlawfully-Collects /dp/0930374096/ref=sr_1_1/105-4719494-8511605?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181822901&sr=1-1
What a brilliant idea, claim my book was banned by the man and then fucking morons who think they are "revolutionaries" (that is you ETS) will go around pumping up how awesome it must be.
Submitted by Flapjacksupreme (user info) at 2007-06-14 07:50:03 EDT (#)
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You are the last person I would suspect of endorsing something you haven't read....poor you.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-14 07:07:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-06-14 03:22:28 EDT (#)
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I agree with the point but also acknowledge that it fundamentally doesn't matter.
The government has been abusing it's power for years. Politicians openly accept bribes. The military is sent to police the world without Congress ever declaring a war. Mass media has been regulated and oligopolized by a few powerful wealthy people with close connections to the government.
Yes, this is all illegal. Yes, it's all bad. Yes, the war on drugs is illegal, unethical, and has led the US to have the highest percentage of its population incarcerated of any country on Earth.
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What point do you agree with?
The legality of income tax laws is very clear.
Nothing you mentioned is illegal, except the bribes.
I am all for change, but it can't begin with baseless claims that things are illegal.
People often make the mistake that me bashing ETS for being an idiot, or me calling people out when I think they are wrong about the US means I am happy with it and think everything is honkey-dorey.
It doesn't.
We have tons of problems, and they will never be fixed by crowds of morons throwing rocks at a G-8 convention, by people supporting legally illiterate morons who are holed up against the govt for not paying tax, by baseless claims of secret societies running the world, and ignorant outrage over 9/11 being an inside job.
The last bit of real legislation that would have done anything to really make the govt "for the people" was campaign finance reform, which old boy Ron Paul voted against.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2007-06-14 06:25:11 EDT (#)
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I'll support nonviolent protests against the government, or at least the rights of the People to make such nonviolent protests. It really only detracts from your cause when you 'hole up', since the media attention you get to publicise your point is only what drips off the FBI forces surrounding your house. There is no way that it will end well for you at that stage, even if you're 100% right in what you're saying.
I certainly wish them luck, but I suspect they'll need more than luck.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-06-14 05:23:03 EDT (#)
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Bart is sounding like a cynical, psuedo-intellectual nihlist.
Submitted by Bushy (user info) at 2007-06-14 05:09:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:56:28 EDT (#)
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http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
Post you eating your own shit.
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oh hell yeah. i've never seen someone get called out that hard. man, i don't actually want to see this guy eat shit, but seriously, he just has to now. if you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk.
Submitted by Death_Metal_Dude (user info) at 2007-06-14 04:14:16 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:56:28 EDT (#)
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http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
Post you eating your own shit.
rofl how is he gonna try and weasel his way out of this one
Submitted by HateMudkips (user info) at 2007-06-14 03:58:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-06-14 00:25:51 PDT (#)
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To reiterate with an obligatory Fight Club quote:
"Fuck Martha Stewart. Martha's polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. So fuck off with your sofa units and Strinne green stripe patterns."
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-06-14 03:53:02 EDT (#)
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When you finally understand, and accept, the fact that the main purpose of government, whether it be local, state or Federal is dedicated to the enhancement of some businesses along with the restriction of businesses of others, then most of the battle of your enlightenment has been achomplished.
Taxes represent the win-win cut of the action from both camps for services rendered, or not.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-06-14 03:25:51 EDT (#)
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To reiterate with an obligatory Fight Club quote:
"Fuck Martha Stewart. Martha's polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. So fuck off with your sofa units and Strinne green stripe patterns."
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 03:23:57 EDT (#)
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bart is a wise, wise man...especially for one who is a Cubs fan.
WTF is going on with them? geez.
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-06-14 03:22:28 EDT (#)
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I agree with the point but also acknowledge that it fundamentally doesn't matter.
The government has been abusing it's power for years. Politicians openly accept bribes. The military is sent to police the world without Congress ever declaring a war. Mass media has been regulated and oligopolized by a few powerful wealthy people with close connections to the government.
Yes, this is all illegal. Yes, it's all bad. Yes, the war on drugs is illegal, unethical, and has led the US to have the highest percentage of its population incarcerated of any country on Earth.
So what? Do you think protesting is going to make the government suddenly change its mind? Nobody in government cares because there's no reason for them to care. The only electable people are a handful of high profile Republicans and Democrats and none of those people are going to disturb the big money machine that has been careful built to fuck you over very efficiently.
The only way to fix the issue is with a complete restructuring of the federal government. Is such a thing possible from within? Will the US ever elect a politician like Ron Paul who - at least according to his platform - would cede much of the power that has been accumulated over the years by the federal government? Does the country need to plummet into another great depression or maybe even worse in order for the people to realize how badly they're being fucked?
I'd like to think that somebody will change the system before it comes to another civil war, but as of this point in time I don't see that as the most likely outcome.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 03:15:41 EDT (#)
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a Gore/Bloomberg ticket would be solid.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-06-14 03:08:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 03:03:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:56:28 EDT (#)
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http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
Post you eating your own shit.
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PS: Thats coming from a professor of Constitutional Law at GWU...who was first of his class at Yale Law...pretty damn impressive.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:59:53 EDT (#)
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Call me presumptious... but I'm starting to get the vague impression that you may prefer the presidential candidate Ron Paul...
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:57:49 EDT (#)
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Hahahahahaha. Not the most practical way to fight the IRS, but inspiring and mildly humorous none the less.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:56:28 EDT (#)
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http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
Post you eating your own shit.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:52:05 EDT (#)
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Maybe lit'l bobby can read this instead?:
http://www.paynoincometax.com/pdf/memorandum_to_dismiss_no_liability.pdf
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:30:40 EDT (#)
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There is a long interview in "America: Freedom to Fascism" with Ron Paul.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:28:32 EDT (#)
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Ron Paul is on Colbert tonight.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:27:28 EDT (#)
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Uhg.
Fuck that guy in the video is boring.
Coudn't they find someone with a personality? Can't they pool some of the money they DIDN'T hand over for taxes and hire a fucking video editor?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:24:23 EDT (#)
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Let me clarify...PERSONAL federal income tax. The legal framework is there for corporations, but not for individuals. In fact, that kind of taxation is unconstitutional.
If someone cares to prove me wrong, I entreat you to try.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:21:02 EDT (#)
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yay, another fucking moron who can't watch a fucking video.
Tell you what...I'll drop this line of discussion if you can show me the law which requires Americans to pay Federal income taxes.
In fact, I'll eat a piece of my own shit and post it on youtube for all of you to see if you can just find me that law.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-14 02:15:21 EDT (#)
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Although I dont agree with a fuckload that the government is currently doing...to cease federal taxation would be a just a joke.