ETS vs. Neo-con Writer: FamilySecurityMatters.org Writer Schooled on Military Industiral Complex, History (3380 hits)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (View user info) at 2007-06-08 03:12:30 EDT
This should be amusing to some of you. 'Ol ETS squares off with a real, live neo-con... Finally, a worthy enemy!
I recently had the displeasure of reading a ridiculous article about the Republican primaries on a website called http://www.familysecuritymatters.org about "Which Candidate Can Win the Presidency in 2008" (http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=967280).
On it, a writer by the name of Lee Ellis expounded on the subject of American politics with his enormous intellect, and the following such quote:
"So, I am looking for an acceptable candidate who can do the following:
1. Can outdo and outmaneuver the opposition candidate on television debates
2. Can genuinely communicate to the electorate via TV
3. While on various television interviews, he or she will have the ability to immediately and accurately answer the questions without stammering or stuttering and without the usual spin.
4. Can appear on TV looking presidential as well as youthful, with a winning demeanor.
5. Can articulate very well his or her party's philosophy whenever appearing on TV"
Being the confrontational kind of person I am these days, and being vehemently opposed to the idea of championing one's "party philosophy" and superficial TV demeanor over Constitutional Principles, I decided to write a critical review of the piece expressing my displeasure in writing and suggesting the writer take a look at a candidate by the name of Ron Paul. What follows is that initial email, followed by the ensuing correspondence:
"Dear Sir,
I take total exception with your assertions that a candidate has to be
slick on TV to win the presidency. That's really the most absurd thing
I've ever heard, honestly. You'd do well to throw away that
"conventional wisdom" and realize that more than anything people want
THE TRUTH!
This is a race about one issue and one issue only... The Iraq War and
U.S. Foreign policy in the middle east. PERIOD! You can hide under a
rug all you want, and while you do, you'll wake up to find Hillary
Clinton is our president.
Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate capable of beating her and Obama in
this area, being the only candidate from either party, to my
knowledge, to have not only voted "no" to the Iraq war from the
beginning, but repeatedly voted "no" to fund the thing all along the
way. When he promises to bring the troops home as soon as possible,
people believe it. When Hillary says it, people wonder... Same with
Obama.
You want the most conservative candidate? You want the constitutional
candidate? Endorse Ron Paul. He's the only one I even believe a word
of what he says, and he's the only one who can WIN against the
democrats.
After all that's happened to our country over the past few years, try
having a little faith and a little courage to take a serious look at
Ron Paul
Thank you, sir, for your time. God bless you, God bless America, and
God bless Ron Paul!
-Brad
Evansville, IN"
His Rebuttal, which offers an interesting but dark look into the mind of your prototypical, order-taking neo-con:
"Re your msg, Brad (No last name claimed)
Sir, I will NEVER vote to a person who does NOT have the mental capacity to know that America is in a global war against Islamic Terrorism ----people who want to decapitate you and me and all other Christians and Jews if we do not convert to Islamic religion and its laws.
Having an oasis in the heart of the Middle East as we have in Iraq has saved innocent Americans here in this country.
Ron Paul represents, to me, the type of person who thinks that talk and kindness to these Islamic terrorists will be returned with equal grace. Such thinking is tantamount to treason or simply sheer stupidity!
Having fought almost to the death in a major war, I can say that if we, then, thought as you do now after Pearl Harbor, you would be either writing in German or Japanese today!
Your so-called "truth" is actually a bold-faced lie, which would well receive the OK from George Soros and the Far Left as well as Osama bin Laden and his gang.
Bill O'Reilly would probably suggest that you have had too much KoolAde recently. I would prefer to suggest that you need to study history, civics and past wars as well as learning about the Middle East Mentality before you send out such Far Left messages. I would also suggest that you make as your home page, www.FamilySecurityMatters.org You may recover from your madness by reading its daily articles and news reports.
Lee Ellis
A service-connected disabled American veteran
Member of VFW and the DAV
PS I never used the word, "SLICK" re TV; I simply said that the TV Generation which watches hours of TV, including American Idol, and no longer reads newspapers or even any books, also votes in the majority today. They will judge the best candidates by TV debates and news bites!"
Pretty good huh? Hell, this sounds an awful lot like some of the reviews I've gotten here on uber, just without the WWII cred. Here is my reply:
"Mr. Lee,
Let's see, where do I begin tearing this nonsense apart? How about
here: "Such thinking is tantamount to treason or simply sheer
stupidity!"
From Wikipedia:
"The Thought Police (thinkpol in Newspeak) were the secret police of
the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four whose job it was to uncover and punish
thoughtcrime. The Thought Police used psychology and omnipresent
surveillance to find and eliminate members of society who were capable
of the mere thought of challenging ruling authority."
An "oasis in the middle of the desert"? With all due respect, sir, and
at risk of violating one of my basic modes of conduct in respecting my
elders...are you crazy or just senile?
Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot kid and don't know what's going on
here. We have the nation of Iran completely surrounded. We have bases
in every single country bordering the Persian Gulf, and we have
soldiers stationed in nearly every country on the face of the earth.
The first gulf war put bases in Kuwait. We've had bases in Saudi
Arabia well before that. Zbigniew Brzezinski's book laid out exactly
what the policies of the neo-cons are for this region. This "global
war on terror" psy-ops campaign is a clever guise for a worldwide
chess match wherein oil is the king piece. Call it "far left" all you
like, I call it facing reality as it presents itself.
The fact that you reference Bill O'Reilly tells me exactly from where
you get your "history" and talking points. The very name and content
of your site, "Family Security Matters" tells me that you are
profiting from the same "terrorism alert" madness just like the rest
of the Military Industrial Complex Eisenhower warned us all about. Do
you assert that he too was nothing more than a crazy man? Was he
foolish to warn against the undue powers this cabal had at that time
and has since expanded? Can you even argue that Halliburton,
Blackwater, and every other special interest, no-bid contract taker
from this UNCONSTITUTIONAL war is anything BUT that selfsame Military
Industrial Complex? I'd love to hear you try. That should be very
educational to a youngster like me who don't know nuthin'.
My papaw had a ship sink from under him in WWII, and while I respect
your service as I do his, I believe you to be sorely mistaken and a
victim of a Nazi style propaganda yourself, much of which is
perpetrated by the same individual you think so highly of in Mr.
O'Reilly.
To accuse me of endorsing or succumbing to the "far left" is just a
shortcut to thinking. Do you even know what being "conservative"
means, sir? Why don't you enlighten me what it means to you to be
"conservative"? To me, being "conservative" means simply "conserving"
the tenents of the Constitution of the United States of America, one
of which is and has always been that we cannot go to war against an
enemy - i.e. a country, not a TACTIC such as "terrorism" - that has
not attacked us, and we have no business meddling in the foreign
affairs of other nations. "Conservatism" also means that our Federal
Government should be SMALL, and should be there only to see that the
states uphold the tenents of the Constitution and to ensure the
DEFENSE of our nation against all enemies foreign and domestic. Notice
the word "defense" in that sentence... In "conserving" the true
meaning of the word I have resisted the urge to use the phrase
"preemptive attack" in defining it.
It is YOU, sir, that needs to stop profiting off the fear of families
in this country. It is YOU who needs to stop milking the respect that
is normally afforded war veterans for their heroic service and turning
into cheap brownie points from scared housewives. You and your website
remind me of Nancy Grace. You both have that some "OH MY GOD THE
WORLD'S ENDING UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING NOW" tone that becomes a
self-fulfilling prophesy when the country of Iran rightly observes
that their country is completely surrounded by U.S. military forces
that are 5000 miles from where they SHOULD be, which is on our borders
preventing the Mexicans from invading our country with their cheap
labor and taking all our jobs, maybe?
Since you brought up history, let's talk about the events that led up
the attack at Pearl Harbor for a moment. Let's talk about the
sanctions and the unfair trading policies we took with regard to Japan
before their decision to attack that day. Let's talk about our
encroachment into their trading routes, our clear and admitted
provocation of them as a pretext for entering the war the politicians
wanted. There is plenty of evidence to support everything I'm saying
here if you care to look, but you're the historian here. You already
know all of this, don't you? And as a historian, you also must be
aware of how history has a way of repeating itself and how countries
like Japan seem to lash out when they feel a bit cornered. There's a
little 'hint hint' there for ya, if you care to rub your two remaining
brain cells together and find it.
The "neo-cons" ARE the "far left". They both want exactly the same
things, and no amount of cognitive dissonance on your part is going to
change that.
The fact is, I don't care what Osama Bin Laden thinks about my
freedom. I don't care if he hates it, and I don't care if he feels all
warm and fuzzy inside about it either. Let him feel whatever he wants
to about it. Let him come here and fight if he wishes! Thank GOD we
have a Republic where I have the right to keep and bear arms in order
to defend myself, because that means he'll get his head blown off. But
we both know that's not gonna happen, don't we? We both know that our
soldiers in Iraq will find him soon and neutralize his...oh
wait...that's right...he's NOT IN IRAQ IS HE?
Respectfully,
Brad Linzy
Evansville, IN
PS: I left my full name this time for you, just so you can't resort to
calling me some sort of coward.
More to come as this little back and forth develops...and I hope it does.
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Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2007-09-20 15:13:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 15:05:30 EDT (#)
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it is impossible to move to a country you consider a dictatorship to get married with Brad Linzy and not qualify as the worst moron in human history.
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No, to be the 'worst' moron in human history you'd have to do all that and then not divorce him when you came home at night to find him wearing your underwear and makeup.
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HAHAHHAHA
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-06-12 15:58:49 EDT (#)
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This fellow is like ETS's evil twin - GET HIM ON UBERSITE IMMEDIATELY
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-06-12 01:42:18 EDT (#)
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Ronnie's against abortion. Now I have a problem.
Submitted by sword (user info) at 2007-06-11 14:55:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-06-11 12:48:21 EDT (#)
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but i'm sure bob can tell me
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-06-11 12:47:57 EDT (#)
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also, i have no idea what a 'poat' is
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2007-06-11 12:47:10 EDT (#)
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i actually read all of this poat and all of the reviews.
i feel i have wasted my time.
Submitted by Scott_James (user info) at 2007-06-11 08:26:29 EDT (#)
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Haha, this was entertaining - please post more so we can see who loses control of the faculties first.
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2007-06-09 22:32:16 EDT (#)
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Fair enough. I mean, no offense or anything, it was a very educated tirade... But still...
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2007-06-09 21:54:04 EDT (#)
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I am just trying to distract myself. Today's been spotty.
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2007-06-09 21:50:54 EDT (#)
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gofer...
What the hell, man? Seriously.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-06-09 21:06:00 EDT (#)
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goferforhire: thanks.
That was a very enjoyable read.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2007-06-09 21:00:40 EDT (#)
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And to the man who said Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor ahead of time- you're right. He knew about 20 minutes before because the Japanese ambassadors fucked the timing up on their declaration of war. Also, the radar station nearest to the base discovered the Japanese assault force, reported it and was summarily ignored (a bunch of B-52s or some such were coming in that day). Yes he knew about it, but not in time to do anything. An attack was always a possibility, but Pearl Harbor was thought to be too far inland. We all expected it to come at the Phillipines. We expected sabotage at Pearl Harbor, and so the idiot in charge lumped all of our planes in the center of the airfield to keep them away from the fences and easier to keep an eye on to prevent native Japanese (an entirely loyal and quite well-mannered population) from messing with them. This made it so much easier for them to blow up our airfields. So much. We really fucked up on Pearl Harbor. The only reason we survived it is a) our Aircraft Carriers happened to not be there and b) the Battleship which tried to escape managed to not sink right at the entrance to the place, the idiots.
We are honestly not a particularly intelligent military. We are merely better equipped and better supplied than our competitors. That's why we lose in places like Vietnam and Iraq where things like that don't really matter.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2007-06-09 20:38:09 EDT (#)
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If you want to wrestle the big guys, you have to forfeit your pride, you have to forfeit your expectations of a better tomorrow, you have to forfeit your self-righteousness and your knowledge that you know what is right. While it's entirely possible that you do, you won't win that way. People ignore them because you don't want their opinion, you want them to have yours. That's at least how it seems. If you want my respect or the respect of any of the masses you are trying to win over with your propaganda (and it is propaganda, as sure as the neocons and as sure as the far left and as sure as religion and advertizing- even the truth can be propaganda, never forget it) you have to debate legitimately. You think you are doing it right, but ultimately you are no better than O'Reilly in your "this man is wrong, cut his mic" attitude.
I think you're right about oil. According to several premier analysts inside and outside the influence of Oil companies and our own government, we have used about 50% of our oil reserves, and our rate of consumption is increasing by about 2% a year. Some estimates indicate that at the current rates, non-Opec sources will be dry by 2012. I think our government knows this and, being the most powerful country in the world (for now) is trying it's hardest to get a leg up on the rest of the world while it can. God help us all.
All this aside, I think you turn people off the way you argue. You belittle and begrudge and most of all you really don't seem to listen to anything but the things you have prepared arguments for. I hope you can find a way to get over this, because really, with your passion and your name (Brad Linzy just sounds like politics, man) you could really be great. Unfortunately, you've got too much ego right now. You should consider conversion to Buddhism. Not permanent, like, you've made your religious beliefs clear enough, but just long enough to work out the kinks.
Submitted by goferforhire (user info) at 2007-06-09 20:25:34 EDT (#)
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Stop bloody arguing about Japan. Brad- you're wrong. The oil embargo did in fact provoke Japan into the Pearl Harbor assault but war between the two powers had been almost unavoidable ever since the end of the Spanish American war. At the end of this incident, which (being a history buff I'm sure you knew this) deeded America rights to the Phillipines, thereby (along with Hawaii and the Eleutian Islands) giving us an interest in the Pacific Ocean. In addition, although we'd essentially bowed out of global politics, we had interests in China conflicting with theirs, and alliances with Britain and other nations with colonies in the Pacific.
See Japan had this idea called the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" which sounds very nice and, who knows it might have been, but the basic gist of it was a unified Pacific and Eastern or Oriental Asia under Japanese control. They had a lot of reason to want this. Overpopulation for one- Japan has a massive population and nowhere to put it, which has always been an issue for them. Also, they lack many natural resources necessary to sustain industry, leaving them relient on others for such input (the reason the Oil Embargo was such a big deal). Having control over other nations, with their additional land and resources, would have been just lovely for them. Unfortunately, we owned the Phillipines, Britain and France had their own interests, and we all wanted China to stay happy because we relied on them for trade (however illigit it sometimes was).
When Japan decided it was more important for them to have the Co-Prosperity sphere than keep us happy (the Military started to take over the government a bit and give the Emperor grandiose ideas, and America *was* recovering from a depression), it was inevitable. We put the oil embargo on them to try to stop them because they were tearing China apart and we *didn't want to fight them* we wanted to not have to deal with them. Japan came up with Pearl Harbor (despite Admiral Yamamoto's concerns that America could not be stopped) as an effort to completely wipe out our fleet before we knew what was happening. The Phillipines were simultaneously invaded because territorially that's what they wanted from us. Yamamoto knew as soon as they'd failed to destroy our aircraft carriers that they'd fucked up, because he knew we could out-produce them, and we did. During World War II at peak production we could build an aircraft carrier a month, and they needed 3 years. Don't even mention plains- we promised England 40 a month and we gave it to them, saving some for ourselves in the Pacific (read- keeping most of them) and not even running at maximum capacity.
Don't play around with history, ETS. It's not your strong suit. I agree with some of what you say, but you're out of your league on this.
Submitted by Arthur_Dent (user info) at 2007-06-09 16:32:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 11:14:40 EDT (#)
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bob added french literature to his bookshelves to justify his knowledge of an expression, used in joual.
if you talk about anything, bob will google it and add the subject to his imaginary bookshelf.
Person 1: "I've been sailing for 10 years"
Person 2: "Oh interesting. Is it hard?"
Bob: [insert modified quote about the technical details of sailing from wikipedia]
Person 1: ...
Bob: Impressed, huh? I have PILES of books about sailing
Person 1: ok...um...let's go for a coffee
Person 2: sure, starbucks?
Bob: [insert googled essay on fair trade coffee]
Person 2: sigh
Bob: I know, I know...I have read hundreds of books on free trade and "café équitable"
LOL
Submitted by Arthur_Dent (user info) at 2007-06-09 16:20:47 EDT (#)
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I actually look forward to your posts now.
This Ron Paul is a good egg- i just read all his archived articles on a 10hr flight.
I agree with 90% of what he says.
Except healthcare. But that's just cultural.
Submitted by captainamerica13 (user info) at 2007-06-09 16:19:58 EDT (#)
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As much as I enjoy your writings on here, I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Bushy when it comes to your verbally attacking that man after he responded to you. You did make some interesting points though, and while I think the elderly gentleman went way out of line by basically calling you treasonus, I hope you know lowering yourself to his level won't help your case much.
My advice is, just keep presenting your veiws the with the facts and points you've shown, people will listen more to that than getting in their faces and telling them to wake up.
For a man as supposedly distinguished as that writer claims to be, he didn't present his veiws in a very mature fashion and frankly, I think his behavior is an insult to all veterans. Soldiers may have to follow orders, but they're still people and they have ideas and opinions of their own, about religions, other nations, and especially about war. Not all soldiers have a hive-mind mentality about things, and it's insulting to tell people just because they once served their country that other people's ideas are treasonus or cowardly. Freedom of expression should be a right for all, not simply reserved for the rich or powerful among us.
Sorry for the rant, decent post though.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2007-06-09 11:13:00 EDT (#)
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Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-06-09 09:26:17 EDT (#)
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ETS, sometimes I wish you had half the sense of humor that Filthy does.
Submitted by Beano312003 (user info) at 2007-06-09 06:39:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:37:23 EDT (#)
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I just hope I didn't disrespect his service too much. That's why arguing with such men is difficult, because I have a lot of admiration for what my papaw's generation did, but I cannot tolerate such ill-informed opinions as his. They pretty much make me sick.
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Hmmm. I thought you lived in a free country.
You WANT... no.. DEMAND that he thinks just like you?
Sounds like 1984 to me.
(auto show of hands +2)
Submitted by forthewin (user info) at 2007-06-09 02:18:32 EDT (#)
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I just got off a 13 hour shift, and I thought I'd log into Ubersite to read about your intraweb based political arguments.
FUN TIMES, I DO DECLARE.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-06-09 01:48:33 EDT (#)
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I want your braaaiiinnssss on my fingerrrrsssssssssss Alain...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 21:05:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2007-06-08 20:12:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 15:05:30 EDT (#)
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it is impossible to move to a country you consider a dictatorship to get married with Brad Linzy and not qualify as the worst moron in human history.
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No, to be the 'worst' moron in human history you'd have to do all that and then not divorce him when you came home at night to find him wearing your underwear and makeup.
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what's worng with that?
*shifty eyes*
Submitted by Kaelic (user info) at 2007-06-08 20:57:06 EDT (#)
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cognitive dissonance
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2007-06-08 20:12:02 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 15:05:30 EDT (#)
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it is impossible to move to a country you consider a dictatorship to get married with Brad Linzy and not qualify as the worst moron in human history.
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No, to be the 'worst' moron in human history you'd have to do all that and then not divorce him when you came home at night to find him wearing your underwear and makeup.
It was only once though.
Submitted by MaesterMeat (user info) at 2007-06-08 19:41:00 EDT (#)
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ETS check out my post nucca
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2007-06-08 19:30:37 EDT (#)
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You went over the top when you started quoting off of wikipedia and from 1984.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 19:17:52 EDT (#)
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http://rawstory.com/news/2007/MSNBCs_Tucker_invites_Ron_Paul_to_0607.html
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 18:42:13 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 18:41:48 EDT (#)
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brad thinks its normal to harass people and follow them at their private homes. he even considers murdering people for not admitting to his fantasy stories.
maybe we ought to return the favor.
someone find his personal info, post it on ubersite and follow him to his appartment. if he doesn't admit that he's a paedophile or something incriminating, harrass him...or better yet, assault him.
Submitted by MaesterMeat (user info) at 2007-06-08 18:27:13 EDT (#)
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Drink_ddt got banned back in 2003, and he went on to get 2 B@W's...
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 18:11:04 EDT (#)
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i remember on rob_berg post you said "get caul banned, he crosses the line" when the worse thing i ever done is laugh at you.
everyone is out of line if we don't fit with your views.
for instance, you can't even ask a man to politely leave you alone. that's out of line.
but saying we should consider murdering rockerfeller and the likes, that's totally normal.
laughing at your pathetic life is out of line.
but making repeated death threats on the web, that's totally reasonable.
your capacity at rationalizing nonesense is incredible.
i bet you beat your ugly ass wife and make her feel she was out of line for not agreeing to the uneducated shit that comes out of your mouth.
i don't know you, but i'm pretty sure you're a loudmouthed shortsighted moron with no education whose perspective stops at the boundaries of Evansville, IN.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 18:00:12 EDT (#)
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so i, and others, should be shot for not agreeing with your overdramatization of this guy's arrest but we can't laugh at your sad personal story?
and none of my business?
FUCK YOU! DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT FREEDOM, YOU AMERICAN PIG! I CAN ASK YOU WHATEVER I WANT AND HARASS YOU IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ANSWER.
FUCK YOU, JUST FUCK YOU, YOU SHOULD BE SHOT!
</ets impersonisation>
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 17:45:33 EDT (#)
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Caul, you're out of line. You don't know me and you don't know FA. We are two people that fell in love in an unfortunate circumstance and did what we could to be together in spite of it. But that's really none of your business to either hear about it or to make qualitative judgments about it.
Submitted by Director (user info) at 2007-06-08 16:46:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 15:05:30 EDT (#)
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it is impossible to move to a country you consider a dictatorship to get married with Brad Linzy and not qualify as the worst moron in human history.
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hahahahahahahahaaha *snort* hahahahahahahahahaha *snort* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Submitted by lechuza (user info) at 2007-06-08 16:02:19 EDT (#)
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what Bart said.
Submitted by MaesterMeat (user info) at 2007-06-08 15:25:59 EDT (#)
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Wow, ETS, I am impressed. I don't give a fuck what other people say, keep on ranting man. This is some good shit.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 15:05:30 EDT (#)
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it is impossible to move to a country you consider a dictatorship to get married with Brad Linzy and not qualify as the worst moron in human history.
Submitted by Lambchop (user info) at 2007-06-08 14:51:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-06-08 12:00:09 EDT (#)
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Oh Brad, you nut.
Seriously, though, Ron Paul's going to lose. Hillary and Obama will then get into a gender vs race card pissing match which will continue long after the primaries to taint the election itself. The Democrats will adopt "vote for my candidate or you're racist/sexist", and, as usual, come off as nutters despite having a marginally healthier agenda. The Republicans, focused on only winning, will sneak in with a moderate WASP male, smear the hell out of the Democrats, and as usual, win by a landslide margin. At this point, that is the only way I can see things going.
The only way the Democrats can pull out at this time would be to deport both Hillary and Oprah.
I mean Obama.
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A landslide margin as usual? the last two elections came down to one state each time...
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 14:51:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2007-06-08 14:27:15 EDT (#)
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It is perfectly possible to be both a veteran and a moron.
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It is perfectly impossible to believe that the US oil embargo turned Japan into an aggressive country and not be a moron.
Submitted by FilthyAssistant (user info) at 2007-06-08 14:27:15 EDT (#)
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It is perfectly possible to be both a veteran and a moron.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 14:07:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 13:49:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 08:17:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: +2
Wow you schooled him.
Way to once again stick it to the man.
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Why, thank you, Indo... See, that's all I've ever wanted from you, a little encouragement.
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No problem.
Here is a little more encouragement make sure you go down the river not across the street when cut yourself tonight.
You planning on going to new hampshire to back up Ed Brown for his little tax stand off? Or are you too much of a coward to even back up people that do the things you say you will do but don't have the balls for.
Submitted by wardy (user info) at 2007-06-08 14:02:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
how old are you?
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 13:57:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Mario (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:38:00 EDT (#)
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Exceptional Brad. I'm in the military myself but I agree with virtually all you said.
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Cool. Thank you. Tell your brothers in arms about Ron Paul, if you agreed with me here. The man knows what he's talking about.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 13:49:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 08:17:57 EDT (#)
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Wow you schooled him.
Way to once again stick it to the man.
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Why, thank you, Indo... See, that's all I've ever wanted from you, a little encouragement.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 13:38:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
wow, that's the most accurate description of my feeling when i watch car chases.
except french voiceovers of american cops is fucking annoying.
Submitted by Foolproof (user info) at 2007-06-08 12:59:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-06-08 12:48:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Reading this E-mail exchange was like watching two autistic children fight, only slightly less entertaining.
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Actually, it was more like watching a live broadcast of a police chase. The car is going 100 some mph with dozens of patrol cars after it. It veers in and out of traffic, barely missing a school bus full of kids. Then it almost rearends a family from Nebraska on vacation. Then, it slowly stops and the guy gives up.
So disappointing in it's non-action it was simply a waste of time. So you watch Seinfeld reruns.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2007-06-08 12:48:36 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Reading this E-mail exchange was like watching two autistic children fight, only slightly less entertaining.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2007-06-08 12:00:09 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Oh Brad, you nut.
Seriously, though, Ron Paul's going to lose. Hillary and Obama will then get into a gender vs race card pissing match which will continue long after the primaries to taint the election itself. The Democrats will adopt "vote for my candidate or you're racist/sexist", and, as usual, come off as nutters despite having a marginally healthier agenda. The Republicans, focused on only winning, will sneak in with a moderate WASP male, smear the hell out of the Democrats, and as usual, win by a landslide margin. At this point, that is the only way I can see things going.
The only way the Democrats can pull out at this time would be to deport both Hillary and Oprah.
I mean Obama.
Submitted by TheUniter (user info) at 2007-06-08 11:25:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by raebuf (user info) at 2007-06-08 11:20:56 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 11:14:40 EDT (#)
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bob added french literature to his bookshelves to justify his knowledge of an expression, used in joual.
if you talk about anything, bob will google it and add the subject to his imaginary bookshelf.
Person 1: "I've been sailing for 10 years"
Person 2: "Oh interesting. Is it hard?"
Bob: [insert modified quote about the technical details of sailing from wikipedia]
Person 1: ...
Bob: Impressed, huh? I have PILES of books about sailing
Person 1: ok...um...let's go for a coffee
Person 2: sure, starbucks?
Bob: [insert googled essay on fair trade coffee]
Person 2: sigh
Bob: I know, I know...I have read hundreds of books on free trade and "café équitable"
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 11:10:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:57:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
care to come to Brown next semester? Oh wait, you cant get in! Ha! """
and wtf does that mean? am i supposed to be jealous? i don't even know what's Brown. is it some kind of prestigious american school i'm supposed to give a shit about? the only american school i know is that campus in the movie Toy Soldiers with Lou Gosset Jr. and his beautiful cranium.
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Priceless.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 11:02:44 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
See my point?
OMFG a well read American...he must just use Google all the time! No, nevermind the fact that his bookshelf is piled full with history, science and French literature novels, it just has to be Google! """
nothing wrong with using google. i read a lot on the web. i just don't google while i'm conversing with people, pretending i already knew that.
p.s. french literature couldn't possibly contain the phrase you pretended to know since it's local expression to qc. not that i care, but it goes to show you lie your ass off to look scholared.
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:58:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You really told him, Corky.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:57:18 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
care to come to Brown next semester? Oh wait, you cant get in! Ha! """
and wtf does that mean? am i supposed to be jealous? i don't even know what's Brown. is it some kind of prestigious american school i'm supposed to give a shit about? the only american school i know is that campus in the movie Toy Soldiers with Lou Gosset Jr. and his beautiful cranium.
i've finished school 5 years ago and i wouldn't go back if you paid me to. and a plumber probably makes more money than you ever will with your diploma in history.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:55:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Im watching Ron Paul talk on C-SPAN for some reason.
Boredom has set in indeed.
Submitted by Adamdidit2u (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:53:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
You've been boning up on Ron Paul speeches. I saw many familiar talking points, some in seemingly identical language here.
Question: Are you volunteering for Ron Paul's campaign yet?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:51:56 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:42:59 EDT (#)
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PS: Caul...I find it funny that you find the need to constantly assault my knowledge...care to come to Brown next semester? Oh wait, you cant get in! Ha! """
i'm not assaulting anything, Googlist. it's not a competition.
i'm just funny you got caught the last time http://www.ubersite.com/m/101211#2397923 and still pretended you knew what u were talking about when you weren't even on topic.
when i called you out on your "étalage"...you made an ass out of yourself again by pretending you knew what i was talking about http://www.ubersite.com/m/101211#2397943
grow up
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See my point?
OMFG a well read American...he must just use Google all the time! No, nevermind the fact that his bookshelf is piled full with history, science and French literature novels, it just has to be Google!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:42:59 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
PS: Caul...I find it funny that you find the need to constantly assault my knowledge...care to come to Brown next semester? Oh wait, you cant get in! Ha! """
i'm not assaulting anything, Googlist. it's not a competition.
i'm just funny you got caught the last time http://www.ubersite.com/m/101211#2397923 and still pretended you knew what u were talking about when you weren't even on topic.
when i called you out on your "étalage"...you made an ass out of yourself again by pretending you knew what i was talking about http://www.ubersite.com/m/101211#2397943
grow up
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:36:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:35:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You said ETS was right about the oil embargo.
He said the oil embargo was a provocation for them to attack us, that implies that the US was the agressor, which simply isn't the case.
If we continued to trade oil with Japan that would be tantamount to endorsing their empire building in Asia.
So ETS was right about the embargo only in the sense that we did it. Not in the sense that it was in itself an aggressive act on the part of the US, not in the sense that we were prodding them to war (we were trying to stop their war), and not in the context that he used it.
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I'm sorry for the miscommunication...I just meant to state that it was factually correct, not that the embargo was used to force Japan to attack the US.
Although, there are rather interesting facts about Roosevelt possibly knowing about Pearl Harbor ahead of time.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:35:05 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
You said ETS was right about the oil embargo.
He said the oil embargo was a provocation for them to attack us, that implies that the US was the agressor, which simply isn't the case.
If we continued to trade oil with Japan that would be tantamount to endorsing their empire building in Asia.
So ETS was right about the embargo only in the sense that we did it. Not in the sense that it was in itself an aggressive act on the part of the US, not in the sense that we were prodding them to war (we were trying to stop their war), and not in the context that he used it.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:33:28 EDT (#)
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uh bob, i know three stupid people that got into brown and one really fucking smart one that got wait listed and went to cornell instead.
sometimes admissions are just a tad off.
Submitted by raebuf (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:30:34 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
There's a little 'hint hint' there for ya, if you care to rub your two remaining
brain cells together and find it."""
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I grinned.
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:30:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:19:06 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:59:55 EDT (#)
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To chime in here since I wrote about this issue in a term paper last semester...which is more than most of you know...ETS is correct about the oil embargo as well as the invasion into the trading routes. There was in fact American economic "aggression" against Japan, but I personally believe that it hardly warranted Pearl Harbor...so I think the victim role was an unjust argument.
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What grade did you get on that paper??
The oil embargo happened in 1941, after Japan invaded china, after the rape of nanking, after japan clashed with russia in mongolia, after they took indochina.
Japan wasn't some peaceful country that the US backed into a corner for no reason.
Should they have sat back and allowed Japan do whatever they want, they should have supported Japans raping and pillaging by selling them oil?
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I got an A on it, ha.
I'm just talking about the facts here. I never said that the actions of the US were unjust in any fashion. It was only logical that we would cut natural resource supply to a nation in a position such as Japan at the time.
PS: Caul...I find it funny that you find the need to constantly assault my knowledge...care to come to Brown next semester? Oh wait, you cant get in! Ha!
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:25:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
bob pretends to write papers but he's merely just the local Googlist who cherry picks information he doesn't understand.
i've proved that before.
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:23:39 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
*Ahem*
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?!?!?
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 10:19:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:59:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
To chime in here since I wrote about this issue in a term paper last semester...which is more than most of you know...ETS is correct about the oil embargo as well as the invasion into the trading routes. There was in fact American economic "aggression" against Japan, but I personally believe that it hardly warranted Pearl Harbor...so I think the victim role was an unjust argument.
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What grade did you get on that paper??
The oil embargo happened in 1941, after Japan invaded china, after the rape of nanking, after japan clashed with russia in mongolia, after they took indochina.
Japan wasn't some peaceful country that the US backed into a corner for no reason.
Should they have sat back and allowed Japan do whatever they want, they should have supported Japans raping and pillaging by selling them oil?
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:59:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:47:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by DasHeer (user info) at 2007-06-08 08:47:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Since you brought up history, let's talk about the events that led up
the attack at Pearl Harbor for a moment. Let's talk about the
sanctions and the unfair trading policies we took with regard to Japan
before their decision to attack that day. Let's talk about our
encroachment into their trading routes, our clear and admitted
provocation of them as a pretext for entering the war the politicians
wanted. There is plenty of evidence to support everything I'm saying
here if you care to look, but you're the historian here. You already
know all of this, don't you? And as a historian, you also must be
aware of how history has a way of repeating itself and how countries
like Japan seem to lash out when they feel a bit cornered. There's a
little 'hint hint' there for ya, if you care to rub your two remaining
brain cells together and find it.
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While I agree with most of the things you say in this post, i do not agree with this stastement. Your government imposed sanctions against Japan after the Nanking massacre in which Japanese soldier overan a city with little to no resistance, bombed it, then rounded up all of the women into a hospital and systematically raped them. I'm sorry, you say that the sanctions on oil (which is the main resource that the japanese needed most for their war effort) were unjustified, i think the imperialist japanese gave the US (as a civilized country no choice BUT to impose sanctions) perfect cause for resource severance, but of course, you're grasping at straws to make your arguments work, while simultaneously ignoring other historic facts and quoting books based off of nothing factual
SHAZAM!!!!!!!!!!
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Bradley if you had this exchange with this guy in front of me, and he didn't drop those two cents I would have, and then I would smack the faggot out of you.
The fact that you try and paint Japan as an innocent victim of American aggression shows either a sickness or an incredable ignorance on you part.
You are a prime example of what is wrong with people whose only "education" is blurbs on websites. Spending the last six months reading prisonplanet and infowars doesn't makes you well versed on history, the environment, politics or the economy.
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To chime in here since I wrote about this issue in a term paper last semester...which is more than most of you know...ETS is correct about the oil embargo as well as the invasion into the trading routes. There was in fact American economic "aggression" against Japan, but I personally believe that it hardly warranted Pearl Harbor...so I think the victim role was an unjust argument.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:47:04 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Submitted by DasHeer (user info) at 2007-06-08 08:47:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Since you brought up history, let's talk about the events that led up
the attack at Pearl Harbor for a moment. Let's talk about the
sanctions and the unfair trading policies we took with regard to Japan
before their decision to attack that day. Let's talk about our
encroachment into their trading routes, our clear and admitted
provocation of them as a pretext for entering the war the politicians
wanted. There is plenty of evidence to support everything I'm saying
here if you care to look, but you're the historian here. You already
know all of this, don't you? And as a historian, you also must be
aware of how history has a way of repeating itself and how countries
like Japan seem to lash out when they feel a bit cornered. There's a
little 'hint hint' there for ya, if you care to rub your two remaining
brain cells together and find it.
_________________________________________________________________-
While I agree with most of the things you say in this post, i do not agree with this stastement. Your government imposed sanctions against Japan after the Nanking massacre in which Japanese soldier overan a city with little to no resistance, bombed it, then rounded up all of the women into a hospital and systematically raped them. I'm sorry, you say that the sanctions on oil (which is the main resource that the japanese needed most for their war effort) were unjustified, i think the imperialist japanese gave the US (as a civilized country no choice BUT to impose sanctions) perfect cause for resource severance, but of course, you're grasping at straws to make your arguments work, while simultaneously ignoring other historic facts and quoting books based off of nothing factual
SHAZAM!!!!!!!!!!
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Bradley if you had this exchange with this guy in front of me, and he didn't drop those two cents I would have, and then I would smack the faggot out of you.
The fact that you try and paint Japan as an innocent victim of American aggression shows either a sickness or an incredable ignorance on you part.
You are a prime example of what is wrong with people whose only "education" is blurbs on websites. Spending the last six months reading prisonplanet and infowars doesn't makes you well versed on history, the environment, politics or the economy.
Submitted by Sinistral (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:42:11 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Yeah, the 1984 reference seemed a bit irrelevant to the conversation, but all in all I give this a +1 because it did, in fact, make me smile. So did the Zombie Cronkite comment below.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:38:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:15:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
I didn't reference wikipedia, I referenced 1984.
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should probably not reference fiction in a debate unless the debate is about literature.
you can't reference someone's imagination in an argument, it's not a fact.
Submitted by Mario (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:38:00 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Exceptional Brad. I'm in the military myself but I agree with virtually all you said.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:35:07 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
meh, at least he didn't pc it and said "islamic terrorism". that was kinda funny.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:18:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Scrabbles!
Submitted by Coyote (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:05:26 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
In general, you won't change people's minds that way, especially not at that age, unless you can reanimate the corpse of Walter Cronkite and have Zombie Cronkite pass on the info on the nightly news.
The guy had a mind-shaping, stressful, formative experience at a very young age that taught him the total importance of always following orders, and that foreigners are pretty much destined to fall beneath the might of the USA. No mere words from someone who wasn't on the beaches at Normandy or Iwo Jima are going to ever even make him think that there's any necessity to examine his beliefs, let alone change them.
People who talk about their WW2 service like it gave them a PhD in international relations shit me. I've spoken to vets who don't know the difference between Korea and Japan, and who thought that Israel was one of the allied powers. I think "I respect your service 6 decades ago, but now it's time for you to shut the fuck up, douchebag" about covers the topic.
Also (and here I'm just fucking with you), your homeboy DID say that he wanted a youthful candidate, which pretty much rules out both McCain and Paul. Have him throw his support to Mike "You have a much greater danger of being hit by lightning than being struck by a terrorist. You can't sit there and worry about everything. Get a life." Bloomberg.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-06-08 09:05:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
so you had an argument with a retard who quotes billy o'reilly!?
WHOA! YOUR INTELLECT IS INFINITE!
that's like bragging about beating Terri Schiavo in a Scrabbles game. except i wouldn't drop the out of context words like "cognitive dissonance" just to look teh smartz
kill urself
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2007-06-08 08:55:02 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
No Comment
Submitted by Flapjacksupreme (user info) at 2007-06-08 08:50:46 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
I'd like to say that I admire you but, and unfortunately for me, I read the whole thing, you sounded like a retard in your second letter. While you think that you are all high and mighty for rebuking this shit glob, you were all over the place. With all the crazy, whack job shit that is produced in that peanut sized brain of yours, you'd think that you wouldn't have to resort to drawing comparisons to WW2?
Are you even serious? You are drawing a likeliness to WW2 with The War on Terror? Grow up, Brad.
You do your research and if I was this guy, can't remember his name, but a published author, nonetheless, I wouldn't even dignify you with a response.
In short:
You failed miserably with this 'letter' of yours.
Submitted by DasHeer (user info) at 2007-06-08 08:47:14 EDT (#)
Ranking: 1
Since you brought up history, let's talk about the events that led up
the attack at Pearl Harbor for a moment. Let's talk about the
sanctions and the unfair trading policies we took with regard to Japan
before their decision to attack that day. Let's talk about our
encroachment into their trading routes, our clear and admitted
provocation of them as a pretext for entering the war the politicians
wanted. There is plenty of evidence to support everything I'm saying
here if you care to look, but you're the historian here. You already
know all of this, don't you? And as a historian, you also must be
aware of how history has a way of repeating itself and how countries
like Japan seem to lash out when they feel a bit cornered. There's a
little 'hint hint' there for ya, if you care to rub your two remaining
brain cells together and find it.
_________________________________________________________________-
While I agree with most of the things you say in this post, i do not agree with this stastement. Your government imposed sanctions against Japan after the Nanking massacre in which Japanese soldier overan a city with little to no resistance, bombed it, then rounded up all of the women into a hospital and systematically raped them. I'm sorry, you say that the sanctions on oil (which is the main resource that the japanese needed most for their war effort) were unjustified, i think the imperialist japanese gave the US (as a civilized country no choice BUT to impose sanctions) perfect cause for resource severance, but of course, you're grasping at straws to make your arguments work, while simultaneously ignoring other historic facts and quoting books based off of nothing factual
SHAZAM!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by bob (user info) at 2007-06-08 08:18:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2007-06-08 07:42:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
This is almost as noteworthy as that one time a hippie college student challenged me to a poetry-off at a local Starbucks. Almost.
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And when you read your poems all life ceased to exist as we know it in the neighboring 5 counties.
It was from then on...The Great Orgasm of Fairfax County.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-06-08 08:17:57 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
Wow you schooled him.
Way to once again stick it to the man.
But I don't think this revolutionary act is going to bring you closer to the violent death at the hands of the govt you fantasize about.
You might have to step it up a little by meeting him in person(we know you don't have the balls to withold taxes like you threatened).
I know, how about you find where this guy lives and hassle him on the street while he is walking his wife to the car. You could take his quotes out of context and say he is part of the thought police. You could be just like your hero friends here http://www.wearechange.org/2007/05/change-confronts-david-rockefeller.html
The fact that you would post this is a depressing glimpse into your sad delusional life. How could you have fun doing shit like that, and more importantly what makes you think this is the slightest bit interesting.
Submitted by Orgasmatron (user info) at 2007-06-08 07:42:28 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
This is almost as noteworthy as that one time a hippie college student challenged me to a poetry-off at a local Starbucks. Almost.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-06-08 05:28:54 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
the future of humanity depends on darko rating ubersite posts.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-06-08 05:20:08 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
How bout you cut down this small time stuff like trying to get Ron Paul elected, and try to do something more worthwhile and which has a bigger impact. Like getting bart to give me back my ratings.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-06-08 05:18:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
I'd let brad be my petty despot any day
Submitted by bart (user info) at 2007-06-08 04:55:55 EDT (#)
Ranking: 2
Arguing on the Internet is fun.
Submitted by ChaosJester (user info) at 2007-06-08 04:49:20 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
(sigh)
Y'know, the problem with people like yourself is that you actually have half a brain to think with.
Unfortunately, I suspect that, somewhere along your personal timeline, someone or something gave you a certain type of criteria for veiwing the world. You've internalized certain 'truths' (i.e. oil is the most important thing in plobal politics today or that all society--except a few 'renegade' thinkers like yourself--is controlled by a super-duper-secret and all-powerful cabal of greedy power brokers) to such an extent that you can no longer even entertain the notion that they may be even somewhat innacurate.
I've met many people like you (hell, I used to have similiar notions myself). Screech all you like about the evils of power and aggression; I know that folks like you are the first to be corrupted when given the slightest opportunity. You remind me of many of the early-21st century communist revolutionaries; so full of idealistic rhetoric until they get the first taste of pure power. Then they, almost inevitably, become petty despots that relish being the king rat of their insignifigant trash heap...at least until they piss off the big boys enough to get noticed again and squashed.
Once again, Fuck that and Fuck you, Sir.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2007-06-08 04:34:35 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
of course, you dont give hmi the chance of rebuttal, but you wouldnt have read anyway - you only read and appreciate things that agree with you
but as thorpe said: ooo you HAVE hit the big time now. youre writing letters to people like an ineffectual bitter old man.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2007-06-08 04:18:32 EDT (#)
Ranking: 0
you're both fucking nutty, and apparently both fucking christians, I'm seeing a pattern here
Submitted by Bushy (user info) at 2007-06-08 04:15:23 EDT (#)
Ranking: -1
u totally pwned him!!!!111!!
i think you mean well. i think you actually believe you are engaging in debate and advancing poitics.
you are, however, merely an agitator. And rude to boot.
This bloke writes an article you disagree with, and i assume you have no problem with that. You disagree, also no problem for any sane person.
But then, you write a man you don't know, a personal email telling him he is completely wrong, and then you go on to tell him what he should be thinking. We all know that CAPS is internet yelling, so why would you, in "a critical review of the piece" yell at him three times?
yes you get worked up over things you are passionate about, i've read that excuse several times from you, but this free speech thing is a two way street. If you think its fine for you to spout off some of the absurd crap i've read of yours, then you have to respect and honour his writings.
But i digress. The main point here is that you don't debate, you tell people stuff (often including internet yelling) and then get upset when they have a different opinion. You drop terms like 'military industrial complex' and 'cognitive dissonance' and make sweeping statements that you then use as truths (eg "This is a race about one issue and one issue only...").
i know other have said it before, but you really do need to revisit that old saying:
"You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"
good day sir, i'm off to the pub.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:51:29 EDT (#)
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Ooo, you've hit the big time now.
Submitted by kaos-king (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:41:27 EDT (#)
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Fuckin' Hell... this ruled my face off.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:37:58 EDT (#)
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Lee Ellis' opinions, not my papaws.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:37:23 EDT (#)
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I just hope I didn't disrespect his service too much. That's why arguing with such men is difficult, because I have a lot of admiration for what my papaw's generation did, but I cannot tolerate such ill-informed opinions as his. They pretty much make me sick.
The problem is, it's not like I can pray for their generation to just pass quietly into that good night, because people like him have infected and are infecting a whole new generation with this garbage, and they are unwittingly encouraging a move toward the very ultra liberal views he's supposedly railing against.
Submitted by rad1101 (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:25:24 EDT (#)
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you know there is no way he would even consider your points of view. Hes an old man yelling at the kids to get off his front lawn. I feel the same way when my pop sends me anti immigration email.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:22:55 EDT (#)
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heh
nice.
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:22:03 EDT (#)
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Heh. Nice. In either case, you should watch out. He might have you arrested for asking the wrong questions.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:15:14 EDT (#)
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I didn't reference wikipedia, I referenced 1984.
Submitted by electrictoothsyndrome (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:14:44 EDT (#)
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Lee Ellis is a retired journalist and narrator, formerly with both CBS and Gannett (USA Weekend). He was also a combat veteran of WWII, having fought in the South Pacific invasions. He had the pleasure of interviewing Ronald Reagan as an actor and then later working to help him become Governor of California. At the age of 80, he is keeping busy writing and doing free lance narrations for radio and television. He is an active member of Rotary and the VFW.
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/writer.php?id=lellis
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2007-06-08 03:14:41 EDT (#)
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HOLY SHIT!!! YOU SURE SHOWED HIM BY REFERENCING WIKIPEDIA ONCE AGAIN!!!!